DIY Chapter: Elemental help!

[DarkLiege]

Hi everyone in Bolter and Chainsword. I'm new to this but I would like your honest option on this new chapter that I'm to make. Thanks :) I need advice to make this Chapter better, Thank!!

 

Chapter Name: Elemental

Founding: Unknown

Geneseed: Unknown

 

Here is what I'm thinking about:

1. they are similar to the Blood Ravens in that they have a high level of psykers and tends to search for their history.

 

2. the inquisition thinks that they are tainted by chaos itself

 

3. some rumors of their high levels of psykers are that Tzeentch, the changer of ways, plotted this out or that there's a mutation in their geneseed

 

4. there's only six companies operating in the Chapter, each one consisting of an element: Fire, Water, Air, Earth, Shadow and Lightning which corresponds to their war style

 

5. Crusading Fleet

[Heru]

These guys wouldn't happen to be Monarch (Yugioh) related by any chance would they?

[DarkLiege]

for now im not completely sure if they will be monarchs but now that you mention it, most likely they will.

[CantonWC]

2. the inquisition thinks that they are tainted by chaos itself

 

If the =][= thinks they are tainted by Chaos... why haven't they already been condemned and destroyed?

 

1. they are similar to the Blood Ravens in that they have a high level of psykers and tends to search for their history.

 

I hope you are not thinking of doing "does not know the origin of their gene-seed." Because, as it was once related to me, that is the Mark of Laziness, the fifth and most vile of the Chaos Gods.

[NightrawenII]

Chapter Name: Elemental

Founding: Unknown

Geneseed: Unknown

 

Here is what I'm thinking about:

1. they are similar to the Blood Ravens in that they have a high level of psykers and tends to search for their history.

Then what's the point of DIY? You are creating your own *special* Chapter, not copy-paste of the official one.

 

2. the inquisition thinks that they are tainted by chaos itself

 

3. some rumors of their high levels of psykers are that Tzeentch, the changer of ways, plotted this out or that there's a mutation in their geneseed

If this is true, then your Chapter will be visited by Grey Knights Purgation Squad(s) in no time. When it comes to Chaos, the Inquisition is uncompromising.

 

4. there's only six companies operating in the Chapter, each one consisting of an element: Fire, Water, Air, Earth, Shadow and Lightning which corresponds to their war style

This has been done 100times before.

Don't do that, really. The specialized units will be dispersed amongst the companies in order to create a tactically flexible and versatile force. Too much specialization is going to cripple the Marines force rather than improve their combat prowess.

[Octavulg]

Adjectives don't work as names. They could be the Elemental Chapter, or the Elemental Marines, or the Elementalists, or even just the Elementals, but they can't be 'Elemental'. English does not work that way.

[Allerka]

I suppose part of it comes from all the Japanese RPGs I play, but the Fire/Water/Earth/Air elemental scheme has been beaten to death and then some for me. Might I suggest maybe looking into the Chinese system? Fire/Earth/Metal/Water/Wood, and in a much more elaborate relation system (each element feeds one, annoys another, and destroys a third), which if you really wanna incorporate that into the Chapter's character, could give you a ready-made relationship setup between the Companies in terms of rivalries or friendships or something.

[DarkLiege]

thanks for all the comments til now, I'll work out all the defects of the chapter and I might use the concept that Allerka suggested

[DarkLiege]

so far what I have so far is:

Chapter name: Elementalist

Geneseed: Unknown but thinking of switching it to White Scar or Imperial Fist

Founding: 13th or 14th Founding

Homeworld: Feng Shu, a world covered in forest and rivers with a giant ocean. there's five tribes, each one controlling one element, Fire, Water, Wood, Metal and Earth. How they have them I'm still not sure. the tribes are constantly at war with one another. the tribes remain at peace with the other tribes they work well with.

A council of 6, each a master of one element with the head being the Chapter Master.

[NightrawenII]

The Pyromancy is one of the psyker disciplines.

 

Wood element is combination of Water and Earth elements. The same can be said about Metal element. :)

[soddinnutter]

Could work provided the six companies are prepared to loan marines to one another to avoid massive imbalance of disciplines within the company.

[Brother Claudius]

I'm new to this also, but the idea of the six elements, the six person governing council, and the six companies is definitely catchy. I do agree that a rigid company system would ultimately lead to imbalance, unless that is what you are looking to use as a handicap. Then you might want to explore that idea. Perhaps they are not operating at "reduced strength." Have they significantly deviated from the codex in some way and they chose to operate at six?

[DarkLiege]

thanks for the reply I'm not sure but the six companies might be used for the handicap. they might be operating in full strenght with 6 companies. As for the council, they arew therre to govern the actions of the marines like the Salamander Chapter.

[Darrell]

Hi everyone in Bolter and Chainsword. I'm new to this but I would like your honest option on this new chapter that I'm to make. Thanks :huh: I need advice to make this Chapter better, Thank!!

 

Chapter Name: Elemental

Founding: Unknown

Geneseed: Unknown

 

Here is what I'm thinking about:

1. they are similar to the Blood Ravens in that they have a high level of psykers and tends to search for their history.

 

2. the inquisition thinks that they are tainted by chaos itself

 

3. some rumors of their high levels of psykers are that Tzeentch, the changer of ways, plotted this out or that there's a mutation in their geneseed

 

4. there's only six companies operating in the Chapter, each one consisting of an element: Fire, Water, Air, Earth, Shadow and Lightning which corresponds to their war style

 

5. Crusading Fleet

 

1. Nothing wrong with taking inspiration from existing Chapters, but make sure you put your own stamp on it so your marines are the Elementals not The Blood Ravens With A Different Name. Why do they search for history? Why the extra number of psykers? Et cetera.

 

2. The Inquisition is pretty suspicious of Astartes anyway, but why would they suspect your Chapter of being tainted by Chaos? And, if they suspect, what is keeping them from acting on these suspicions? Have they, like the Black Dragons, somehow managed to avoid detection despite repeated inspection? And why go for this twist, anyway? Making an enemy with the Inquisition isn't a healthy road to take for any Chapter, especially a DIY who lacks the weight of a First Founding.

 

3. If you do want to use a Chaos-sabotaged angle, I would tone it down from Tzeentch to some foul Sorceror. A fickle Chaos God singling your Chapter out seems unlikely, and is either an attempt to make your Chapter seem greatly more important than others at a glance or an attempt to Deus ex Chaotica justify something. Though, I would also suggest looking into how the geneseed could become so universally corrupt through the Chapter. Astartes guard their geneseed very carefully and while an individual may experience some sort of taint, it would be very difficult for the entire Chapter to become corrupted.

 

4. Why only six companies? Why not ten? You could use your four Battle Companies and build them around an element, then attach an element to your Scout and Veteran companies. That way you have your six elements and still manage to stay in the Codex, at least as far as organization is concerned.

 

5. Fleet-based versus Homeplanet-based isn't the most defining argument in the world, but specifying a Crusade fleet would indicate they are some sort of long-term Crusade like the Black Templars or the Mantis Warriors. More information would be necessary. Also, a homeplanet offers a relatively easy source of culture for your Astartes, so for a fleet you would have a bit more work to do in regards to explaining why your marines act, fight and think the way they do.

[DarkLiege]

Thanks for the useful info Darrell and I'll continue working on the Chapter. I'm using the Chinese elements of fire water metal wood and earth as for the gene seed problems and pyskers, I'll work on. instead of a Fleet based chapter its going to be homeworld and the companies i explained before about them

[Ecritter]

Maybe its just me, but I have no idea how you're going to incorporate the elements into the chapter. Did I miss something?

[DarkLiege]

now that i think about it im not sure as well but i guess using the normal elements of fire water earth and wind, lightning was better

[Ecritter]

now that i think about it im not sure as well but i guess using the normal elements of fire water earth and wind, lightning was better

 

Using them how exactly ... that's what I'm just not seeing.

[DarkLiege]

as different companies with different battle styles but they could lend them out to other companies as well maybe or that the marines controls an element

[Ecritter]

as different companies with different battle styles but they could lend them out to other companies as well maybe or that the marines controls an element

 

Different styles may work ... but it'd take alot of design on your part. Not sure that controlling the elements would be believeable .... so just leave that alone.

[DarkLiege]

thanks for helping me out in this Ecritter, ill somehow work the styles out

[Ecritter]

It may just be different squads within the Companies. You have to remember that all Space Marines are specialists and adaptable.

[DarkLiege]

thanks again Ecritter

[DarkLiege]

im not sure how well this will work but what if there geneseed was from the 13th dark founding so they could go 'searching' for their history or that their geneseed was some the White Scars or Imperial fist or something like that for more characteristic?

[CantonWC]

As i understand it... the 13th Founding is the only Founding for which the Imperium does not have a gene sample. Nobody knows exactly what happened, nobody knows how many or which Chapters were created, and if they still exist. If your Chapter was from the 13th Founding, they wouldn't know it. If they know what happened, you'll have to explain what happened, how they still know what happened, and why the Inquisition or whoever hasn't come after them for presumably knowing about something they shouldn't know.