Dark Legionnare Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 Quick question that I'd like others to throw in some input on. Skies of blood let's units "disembark as if they were deep striking" out of a Storm Raven. However, they cannot assault. Could I then say that the vanguard vets are using their "Heroic Intervention" since they're "deep striking" out of the storm raven? This would allow them to assault on the turn they arrive. Curious as to what others think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217981-skies-of-blood-and-vanguard-veterans/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 No. Heroic Intervention specifically states "from reserves" so it can't be used deepstriking from a RAven. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217981-skies-of-blood-and-vanguard-veterans/#findComment-2599900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Legionnare Posted December 27, 2010 Author Share Posted December 27, 2010 Ah, thanks mate! Such a speedy response too. And thanks for the rules verbatim argument since I don't have my dex on me while out of the house. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217981-skies-of-blood-and-vanguard-veterans/#findComment-2599907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redfinger Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 what if the SR arrived fom reserves? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217981-skies-of-blood-and-vanguard-veterans/#findComment-2599959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Legionnare Posted December 27, 2010 Author Share Posted December 27, 2010 I believe, from memory, that vehicles arriving from reserve count as moving at cruising speed. I believe the "Skies of Blood" rule is only allowed if the Storm Raven moves flat out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217981-skies-of-blood-and-vanguard-veterans/#findComment-2599975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeraphimDeSanguinius Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 I believe, from memory, that vehicles arriving from reserve count as moving at cruising speed. I believe the "Skies of Blood" rule is only allowed if the Storm Raven moves flat out. Correct. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217981-skies-of-blood-and-vanguard-veterans/#findComment-2599977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Cuthbert Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Also consider that disembarking as if by Deepstrike does not state that the unit is Deepstriking, only the mechanics are similar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217981-skies-of-blood-and-vanguard-veterans/#findComment-2606618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Captain Lucius Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 I believe, from memory, that vehicles arriving from reserve count as moving at cruising speed. I believe the "Skies of Blood" rule is only allowed if the Storm Raven moves flat out. I believe what Redfinger was talking about was if the Stormraven came in from normal reserves I.e Your table edge, then boosted 24" and then used Skies of Blood. This way to me seems like it would have a big for/against opinions on it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217981-skies-of-blood-and-vanguard-veterans/#findComment-2606696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Sounds like a dirt bag maneuvere to me. G :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217981-skies-of-blood-and-vanguard-veterans/#findComment-2606727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 "as if they are deep striking" and "deep striking" are too seperate things. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217981-skies-of-blood-and-vanguard-veterans/#findComment-2606872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 But some will surely say otherwise. >.< The thing is they are fine just deepstriking normally. If you put them in a Stormraven there are much greater odds they'll arrive later since you can't use the DoA rule to reroll them coming in from reserve. I've found you really need your VV coming in ASAP to tie up or wreck an enemy unit. They are called Vanguard for good reason. G :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217981-skies-of-blood-and-vanguard-veterans/#findComment-2606959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 But some will surely say otherwise. >.< The thing is they are fine just deepstriking normally. If you put them in a Stormraven there are much greater odds they'll arrive later since you can't use the DoA rule to reroll them coming in from reserve. I've found you really need your VV coming in ASAP to tie up or wreck an enemy unit. They are called Vanguard for good reason. G Yeah, a better way is to have the Stormraven on the board, fly like a bat out of hell to within 6 inches of a juicy enemy unit. Hopefully you can then do a HI using the Raven's beacon to land the VV where you want them and charge the enemy on the drop. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217981-skies-of-blood-and-vanguard-veterans/#findComment-2607483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelus Mortifer Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Yeah, a better way is to have the Stormraven on the board, fly like a bat out of hell to within 6 inches of a juicy enemy unit. Hopefully you can then do a HI using the Raven's beacon to land the VV where you want them and charge the enemy on the drop. Assuming the Raven survives a turn of fire/assault before the Vanguard arrive. Deep-strikers place first before all board movement is made. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217981-skies-of-blood-and-vanguard-veterans/#findComment-2608163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMouth Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Yeah, a better way is to have the Stormraven on the board, fly like a bat out of hell to within 6 inches of a juicy enemy unit. Hopefully you can then do a HI using the Raven's beacon to land the VV where you want them and charge the enemy on the drop. Assuming the Raven survives a turn of fire/assault before the Vanguard arrive. Deep-strikers place first before all board movement is made. good counter to that argument. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/217981-skies-of-blood-and-vanguard-veterans/#findComment-2608167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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