Composition

[Wolfeslad]

I need some advice brothers, like many pups before me i want to create an entire Ragnars company. Naturally this will take a looooooong time however

i need some advice with regards the composition of the company as i realise it is almost 200 strong. Below is my list of the composition, all packs are

at capacity e.g Bloodclaws 15 man packs.

 

Let me know what you think brothers;

 

 

Ragnar

Bloodclaws, 2 x15

Skyclaws, 1 x10

Swiftclaws, 1 x10

Wolf Priests, 4 x1

Rune Priest, 3 x1

Greyhunters, 8 x10

Wolf guard, 4 x5

Fen Wolves, 2 x10

Thunderwolf Cavalry, 1 x5

Longfangs, 4 x6

Wolf Scouts, 3 x5

Lone Wolves, 5 x1

landraiders, 2

Rhinos, 6

Razorbacks, 4

Whirlwind, 2

Drop Pods, 22

Vindicator, 2

Preditor, 2

Land Speeder Typhoon, 1 x3

Land Speeder Tornado, 1 x3

 

 

180 Men

 

Edit: Ok after taking advice from Wolf Brothers Max_Dammit and Stormbrow II i have taken the Priests, and Bloodclaws out of the maths but added in the GH's manning vehicles, which now bring the total to 180 instead of the original 195.

 

Any more advice/ideas would be appreciated

[Max_Dammit]

Rune priests, Wolf priests and scouts are not part of Ragnars great company, there part of the great wolfs company.

 

So you need some more troops :lol:

 

On the other hand land-speeders are 2 crew and so are rhino's, preds and raiders are 3 if i remember correct, and a vindicator could be 2 also.

 

Adding a mandatory attack bike to the swiftclaws also gives a extra troop.

[Stormbrow II]

What's the bit in Codex: SW that says that Ragnar's company 'includes 200 battle-hardened veterans?' That would mean you've got loads and loads of Wolf Guard, Grey Hunters and Long Fangs for starters. Most vehicle crews are GH so that can account for some of them but you've a few more fellas to get through before you get close.

 

Good luck with it.

[Wolfeslad]

Rune priests, Wolf priests and scouts are not part of Ragnars great company, there part of the great wolfs company.

 

So you need some more troops :D

 

On the other hand land-speeders are 2 crew and so are rhino's, preds and raiders are 3 if i remember correct, and a vindicator could be 2 also.

 

Adding a mandatory attack bike to the swiftclaws also gives a extra troop.

 

Thanks Brother Max_Dammit, i have taken the scouts out of the equation which takes the headcount down to 180, however i have 50 brothers manning vehicles, so this takes the headcount to 230, therefore now i should be getting rid of troops shouldnt i?

[Wolfeslad]

What's the bit in Codex: SW that says that Ragnar's company 'includes 200 battle-hardened veterans?' That would mean you've got loads and loads of Wolf Guard, Grey Hunters and Long Fangs for starters. Most vehicle crews are GH so that can account for some of them but you've a few more fellas to get through before you get close.

 

Good luck with it.

 

but of course your right, which would mean taking the bloodclaws out of the equation (including swift and sky), i'm reluctant to add more wolfguard though, i guess the GH'sfrom the vehicles will take up the slack

[azrael240]

but arnt some if not most of the pilots for the ships and the drivers for the rhinos etc maimed spacewolfs who can not fight anymore?

i swear ive read that perhaps in one of the ragnars trilogy books....

[Sturm Moonwolf]

There are thunderhawk pilots that are grey hunters and they are not necessarily maimed, it's just their particular calling I believe. In Ragnar's trilogy someone was chatting up the Grey Hunter pilot, I think it was Berek Thunderfist if I remember correct. No indication of maiming at all. And how many Thunderhawk's are on Ragnar's Battle Barge?

[Wolfeslad]

There are thunderhawk pilots that are grey hunters and they are not necessarily maimed, it's just their particular calling I believe. In Ragnar's trilogy someone was chatting up the Grey Hunter pilot, I think it was Berek Thunderfist if I remember correct. No indication of maiming at all. And how many Thunderhawk's are on Ragnar's Battle Barge?

 

Dam i hadnt counted the battle barge!

 

i think it will take me years to get just the troops and vehicles done, and my scratch building skills arent that good and its gonna cost a fortune unless i bulk-buy, and even then it will still cost a small fortune. This is going to be a longterm project and yes i'm open for donations hahaha

[Valerian]

Rune priests, Wolf priests and scouts are not part of Ragnars great company, there part of the great wolfs company.

 

Wolf Scouts are part of his Great Company. Back in the Second Edition fluff they were in the Great Wolf's GC, but that was retconned in 3rd Edition.

 

I would only give him 1 attached Wolf Priest, as I doubt there are so many of these that each GC will get several. Also, by old fluff, each GC would get a Rune Priest (a Master) attached, and perhaps also a Skald (apprentice).

 

As far as whether you want to include the various types of Claws in you numbers, that is up to you. If you think that "nearly 200 battle-hardened warriors" was written to intentionally exclude any Blood, Swift, and Sky Claws (a potentially significant chunk of the force), then you'll need to build well over 200 total. However, some of consider that the almost 200 was intended to reflect the whole Company, and it just sounds better to describe Space Wolves as battle-hardened.

 

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[Wolfeslad]

Thanks brothers, it is all appreciated. Personally i would tend to agree that the 200 can't include the Claws, not because of the "Battle Hardened" quote (although it is compelling because they are not!), but because they are only assigned to a GC, they would not form part of it until they are made GH's therefore i have not included them in the 180 men i have calculated so far.

 

I would like some feedback on whether you think the Mech element of the GC is along the right track?

 

Thanks as always

 

Wolfeslad

[Brother Tuditanus]

I personally, after reading how Ragnar is used so often to spearhead invasions and such, would add in a small drop pod element. If he's doing a planet invasion, he'll want some drop pods in to set down maybe some GH or Long Fangs to soften up or distract the enemy.

[Wolfeslad]

Thanks Brother Tuditanus,

 

I personally, after reading how Ragnar is used so often to spearhead invasions and such, would add in a small drop pod element. If he's doing a planet invasion, he'll want some drop pods in to set down maybe some GH or Long Fangs to soften up or distract the enemy.

 

Would this be enough? it was in my original post lol

 

Whirlwind, 2

Drop Pods, 22

Vindicator, 2

[Brother Tuditanus]

Sorry bro! I'm on my blackberry, so small details are sometimes overlooked, or don't register in me old nogin.

[Wolfeslad]

Sorry bro! I'm on my blackberry, so small details are sometimes overlooked, or don't register in me old nogin.

 

lol Its quiet ok brother, i have an increasing amounts of those moments lol

[Valerian]

Personally i would tend to agree that the 200 can't include the Claws, not because of the "Battle Hardened" quote (although it is compelling because they are not!), but because they are only assigned to a GC, they would not form part of it until they are made GH's

 

All units are assigned to a Great Company (either a "standard" Great Company, or the Company of the Great Wolf). No Space Wolves units exist 'outside' of one of the GCs. What background information/fluff is it that would lead you to believe that the Blood Claws aren't part of their Company until they become Grey Hunters? I am quite curious as to where you think the various Claws units would fit, if not under their Wolf Lord.

 

Regards,

 

Valerian

[Wolfeslad]

All units are assigned to a Great Company (either a "standard" Great Company, or the Company of the Great Wolf). No Space Wolves units exist 'outside' of one of the GCs. What background information/fluff is it that would lead you to believe that the Blood Claws aren't part of their Company until they become Grey Hunters? I am quite curious as to where you think the various Claws units would fit, if not under their Wolf Lord.

 

Regards,

 

Valerian

 

I didn't say exist outside the GC Brother Valerian, i just said i didn't count them as battle hardened, much as they are not Grey Hunters therefore i haven't counted them under the Battle Hardened warriors in the great company