pate Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 Is there any official about BA honour guard colour scheme, fluff wise? They're painted gold in the BA codex, but really... In my opinion that would make them stand out too much in comparison to what they are honour guarding. Also, the Captain they're showcasing is painted red. Just to add to my previous statement, why would the Captain run around in standard colouring and then have an honour guard that looks much more eminent than himself?. I'd find it much more proper with the captain wearing gold armour. After all, Tycho is wearing gold coloured and he's a captain. Also, there's no mention of them being gold in the codex description. (Out of interest, does anyone know what chest pieces it is that they've used in the picture in the codex? And shoulderpads for that matter, the JPs seems to be the same as Dante's) I recently read the BA Omnibus by Swallow, and I seem to recall that the honour guard, for someone, is mentioned as being red. This is what i would paint them in aswell, but I would still want them seperated from the regular marines with black trims or something. What colour scheme do you guys use for your honour guard? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218073-honour-guard-colour-scheme/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glendor Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 I believe that their helmets are gold unless it is Dantes HG then it is all gold. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218073-honour-guard-colour-scheme/#findComment-2600751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Fury Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 In previous editions it was understood that HG are red with gold helmets, it was only Dante's personal HG that are all gold. Now all vets have gold helmets, and Dante is better accompanied by Sanguine Guard... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218073-honour-guard-colour-scheme/#findComment-2600753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parcival Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 In previous editions it was understood that HG are red with gold helmets, it was only Dante's personal HG that are all gold. Now all vets have gold helmets, and Dante is better accompanied by Sanguine Guard... Yes, that's the way it was and I still stick to it. In other words, I use red Honor Guards with gold helmets and Dante gets to choose between his gold Honor Guard or the Sanguinary Guard depending on what he prefers. My veterans still have standard helmet colors. Dante's Honor Guard http://lh6.ggpht.com/_ulSnsKLwG68/SgJ53uQt9KI/AAAAAAAABR0/wMynTJKen6g/s640/DSC04368.JPG Captain's Honor Guard http://lh6.ggpht.com/_ulSnsKLwG68/SgJ55x2EE_I/AAAAAAAABR4/xOMm9GUo3Kc/s640/DSC04375.JPG (the Techmarines are outdated in the new Codex) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218073-honour-guard-colour-scheme/#findComment-2600771 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodunius Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 The gold honour guard are Dantes old proto-sanguinary guard now relegated to mere honour guard status - the subsequent page with the banners on has a regular honour guard on it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218073-honour-guard-colour-scheme/#findComment-2600774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glendor Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 It is that way in this edition as well Vodunius has it right Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218073-honour-guard-colour-scheme/#findComment-2600777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pate Posted December 28, 2010 Author Share Posted December 28, 2010 I see, red with gold helmets. I was considering this aswell. This is where it gets a bit confusing though. In the codex, as previously mentioned, it says that veterans wear golden helmets. It's also mentioned that veterans all belong to the 1st company, this being the veteran company. So this is where the confusion starts. My BAs are going to be of the 5th Company. An honour guard with golden helmets would indicate that they belong to the 1st company, which they do not. This is also clarly stated in the codex that belonging to an honour guard of the "lesser" companies will probably lead to the 1st company or even to becoming a captain. So an honour guard in the 5th company would not be made up of veterans, and therefor wouldn't be wearing gold helmets? **EDIT** After a quick browse; it doesn't exactly say that it's only veterans that wear golden helmets, it's just the way they're painted in the picture section that indicates this. What about Captains, would it be wrong to wear gold or is it only Artificer armor that's gold? Tycho is all gold, but then he's also wearing Artificer armor. In the BA omnibus the captain is wearing red, iirc. It would look really sweet with a captain in gold accompanied by an HG with gold helmets. A little bit off-topic: In C:SM captains can be equipped with artificer armor, or is it just chapter masters? It's been a while since I looked in it and doesn't have it availible atm. It was just something that struck me when I bought the BA codex that captains couldn't be equipped with artificer armor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218073-honour-guard-colour-scheme/#findComment-2600779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancient god Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 HG do not belong to the first company, but are attached to whatever company's commander they protect. Wearing a golden helmet doesn't put anyone in the first company, it's just that nowadays, the full first company wears golden helmets. It was easier in previous editions where veterans of the first would wear helmets according to their squad's loadout, i.e. red or yellow. This colour change, however is all that has happened. Veterans are still the only line marines in the first company and HG still have golden helmets. The whole golden armour equals artificer armour is new as far as I can tell. I'd say just paint your captain and/or HG gold if you want to. Or mix and match. EDIT: I see you ninja'd me there. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218073-honour-guard-colour-scheme/#findComment-2600782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pate Posted December 28, 2010 Author Share Posted December 28, 2010 the subsequent page with the banners on has a regular honour guard on it. Ah. I'd completely missed that! Thanks:) It's the golden honour guard that has messed things up for me. It's all clear now:) The whole golden armour equals artificer armour is new as far as I can tell. I'd say just paint your captain and/or HG gold if you want to. Or mix and match. Unless someone comes up with a source that says gold is restricted to artificer armor I'm painting the captain all gold and the hg with gold helmets:) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218073-honour-guard-colour-scheme/#findComment-2600783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parcival Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 Unless someone comes up with a source that says gold is restricted to artificer armor I'm painting the captain all gold and the hg with gold helmets:) You can paint them any way you like, it's your army. :) I just stick to the old color scheme because it allows more subtle differences from my point of view (other than already have quite a bit of painted models). You mention the BA Omnibus - well, if you look at it again, you'll see that only the most honored and veteran members are called into the Honor Guard. From my point of view, the Honor Guard is an "extra level" that even "average veterans" dream of. For me, the Honor Guard has always been a set of exclusive veterans that have been extracted from the 1st Company to serve directly as body guards for whoever they are supposed to protect. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218073-honour-guard-colour-scheme/#findComment-2600798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pate Posted December 28, 2010 Author Share Posted December 28, 2010 You can paint them any way you like, it's your army. :) If I painted them anyway I'd like they wouldn't be Blood Angels:P I aim at staying as true to established colouring as possible, that's why I wanted to be on the clear about the whole gold issue:) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218073-honour-guard-colour-scheme/#findComment-2600806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancient god Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 There's no ruling on all golden armour being artificer armour as far as I know. The new codex makes it look that way but it doesn't state it anywhere, and it didn't use to be that way before so you're safe and 100% compliant, even if you paint regular PA heroes with golden armour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218073-honour-guard-colour-scheme/#findComment-2600872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalist1 Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 I do my honor guard with gold helmets and one arm and shoulder pad gold (AKA like the death watch silver arms) This I think gives them a look a bit more than simple vets, but isnt totally over the top like a fill golden suit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218073-honour-guard-colour-scheme/#findComment-2600885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancient god Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 I do my honor guard with gold helmets and one arm and shoulder pad gold (AKA like the death watch silver arms) This I think gives them a look a bit more than simple vets, but isnt totally over the top like a fill golden suit. That sounds like a good way to do it. I do the same as Parcival, I simply stick with the old scheme, i.e. golden helmets for HG and red/yellow helmets for the different veterans. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218073-honour-guard-colour-scheme/#findComment-2600900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorre Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 I think its open to your own interpritation. Personnaly I like to think that the longer serving Captains that have earned more victories and battle honours are more likley to be able to wear gold armour. I like to think that there honour guards colour is based upon the stature of the hq they are assigned to , for example Dante's is always going to be gold. Some captains of very high stature like Tyco before the fall could have full gold honour guards, but relativly new captains or librarians and chaplins might have gold helmets only. A more expierienced hq might be allowed to give there honour guard gold trim. At least this is the way I justifiy a little bit of painting versitility. Anything I can do to paint my Red marines slightly differently from one another is a good thing. Helps stop you getting bored painting the same paint scheme over and over. Also alows you to learn how to paint other colors better ;P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218073-honour-guard-colour-scheme/#findComment-2600932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Chris Posted December 28, 2010 Share Posted December 28, 2010 Dante's Honour Guard used to be shown in red assault armour and jump-packs with gold helmets. They appear this way in the old printed codex and (I think) in the fourth edition rule book. They are shown in their modern all-gold gear for the first time in 'How to paint space marines'. I always considered that the gold armour worn by Dante, Tycho and the old captain stood for Artificer armour. As far as I recall, Dante doesn't need to be attached to his honour guard. I don't think any of the HQs do (Mephiston couldn't be in the new Codex, for instance). So taking an Honour Guard for Dante doesn't stop you attaching him to the Sanguinary Guard troops. You would just have to decide which of the two units was best to carry the Chapter Banner. We never have had a straight answer to the origin of the honour guard troops. Are they (as I imagine) drawn from the same unit as the commander or are they seconded from the first company? Are they supernumery or part of the formation they are with? The only clue we have is that they used to have a different shoulder badge (a black skull instead of the white Skull or Blood Drop company insignia) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218073-honour-guard-colour-scheme/#findComment-2600936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 for the captain of the iron helms i would go with a normal metalic colour. seems plausable. also the hounour guard could all have different helaldry and such showing differning fluff ranks in the squad members... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218073-honour-guard-colour-scheme/#findComment-2601260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parcival Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 Dante's Honour Guard used to be shown in red assault armour and jump-packs with gold helmets. They appear this way in the old printed codex and (I think) in the fourth edition rule book. Just had a look at my old printed Codex (year 2002) and yes, Dante's HG has red armor with golden helmets whereas the Veteran Assault Squad has red armor and yellow helmets. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218073-honour-guard-colour-scheme/#findComment-2601662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pate Posted December 29, 2010 Author Share Posted December 29, 2010 Hmm, yes. 5tI don't feel it entirely appropiate for my captain to be in all gold, so I'll probably satisfy with gold trimmings. I think that will seperate him enough from the regular marines and his honour guard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218073-honour-guard-colour-scheme/#findComment-2601688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zid Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 I painted mine like vets; bronze armor with purple helms. looks neat Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218073-honour-guard-colour-scheme/#findComment-2601943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Desmodus Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 To me it's easy combining the old and the new dex. VAS/shooty vets and HG both get golden helmets. VAS/shooty vets have white skulls on their right shoulders, HG have black skulls. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218073-honour-guard-colour-scheme/#findComment-2603479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losfer Werds Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 Seems the red armor with gold helmets might have been the old color scheme, I prefer it over the all gold at any rate. I usually go for a more ascetically pleasing appearance when it comes to Blood Angels. As to having an all gold guard looking better than the captain, I just go with gold "artificer" armor for my captains. Like my Second company commander here. http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j260/LosferWerds/1216001108.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218073-honour-guard-colour-scheme/#findComment-2605192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo1701 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 I paint my vets with gold helms and then black detailing, such as elbows, knees and backpack vents as well as shoulder trim. I then paint the honour guard models with similar schemes except gold on all those areas and the helms. The effect makes them distinct from each other yet both obviously more important that the rank and file. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218073-honour-guard-colour-scheme/#findComment-2605914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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