xscottfergox Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Having been out of the hobby side of 40k for a long time im going to jump back in with some good ol' Astartes. No job or education at the moment equals a lot of spare time so as soon as possible i'll be getting my grubby mitts on a squad of space marines and start building. But first i'm going to brain storm some ideas... I always loved the idea of a themed army and i have had a few ideas for my return trip to 40k. My first thoughts were a norse themed aryian army. But i hit my first snag, how to distinguish my chapter from space wolves? First off i want them to be more noble and refined, picture vikings with less beating and pillaging and more power armour and fighting for the throne... and also less of the space wolf savagery. Second i'm wanting them to be quite dour and quiet. Anywho here's first idea for my colour scheme: I'll also be writing some fluff and maybe nocking out some sketches to utilise all my artistic output. So with no more a do i'll open this thread up to discussion... (p.s i wasn't sure if this is in the right board...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Trooper Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Looks and sounds grand mate, I'm doing similar (need to post a WIP ha ha). If I may add one suggestion? The black on the helmet stripe looks very dark compared with the rest of the mini/image; whereas the yellow on the rims and eagle is lost amongst the bone colouring. Unless you're using the yellow to suggest gold I'd try swapping the helmet stripe and eagle (unless the bolter will be black too?). My current army is bone and I've painted Dwarfs in bone and yellow a few years back so one thing I have to warn you of is the necessity to ensure that the tone is different between the two; ie, bringing up the bone from brown and the yellow from red/orange otherwise they end up looking like a lemon sponge ha ha. Obviously it's not such an issue if using gold, though washing through to tinge the gold an opposing colour can really help set off both. Hope that's some use - I do so hate to see a return to painting thread with zero replies! RT P.S: I like the restrained viking idea, but as a futherance and to avoid the obvious comparison people will make between Space Wolves and your Chapter, why not go for a contemporary of the Vikings who used similar weapons and styles. Normans and Saxons were very restrained in comparison but still had a hardcore idea about what constitutes fair play in war (axe to face, but not so much pillaging and beating)! (Edited for Grammar.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrox Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 I would lose the helmet stripe, it reminds me of Mr T! Maybe the chest could be a gunmetal colour or maybe red? Othe than that its a decnt colour scheme :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xscottfergox Posted January 6, 2011 Author Share Posted January 6, 2011 It is supposed to be a gold colour, but its closest i could get the paitner to represent. Heres another idea, the orangy colour representing a dark bronze/ gold colour and the grey a gunmetal colour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Trooper Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 I'm not sure about the bronze, but it's hard to get metallics across with the painter. What I will say though is that the dark grey looks fantastic with the bone (I use it, heh). Keeping the trims either boltgun metal or dark grey will look fantastic. Especially like that. I'd really suggest trying like that before adding the bronze, though a very dark bronze may work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xscottfergox Posted January 14, 2011 Author Share Posted January 14, 2011 Ok quick update. I still havnt got my hands on any models to paint up or start converting but i've had a few ideas. After drawing some sketches up to help myself better understand the proportions of a space marine I mocked up a few of the facial proportions aswell. One of my test subjects facial mock up looked very mask like and quite daunting. It reminded me immediately of the Leper King from the film Kingdom of heaven and the idea to convert one of my characters to have this mask. Then i hit a snag. I have noe idea how to make it look different from the blood angels sanguinary guard. Any ideas are welcome? Also during my sketches I started thinking. How are a space marines pauldrons attached? On the models and even sketches there seem to be no incling as to how the pauldrons are attached to the marines shoulders and it's got me stumped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xscottfergox Posted January 15, 2011 Author Share Posted January 15, 2011 Another idea for paint scheme And here's a little bit of fluff for you guys to wet your appetite and hopefully get some people following this thread. This is only a little bit of creativity from myself. I know it leaves a lot to be desired. +++++ As the lone soldier picked his way through the quiet gloom of the administrate building he thought to himself. He thought quiet calm thoughts, injected with a vein of pure malice and violence. He refused to give in and die. Fighting is what he did and fighting is what he would do bringing the fight to the warriors of the false emperor. They were fools, following heretics under a shapeless tyrannical rule. He had never felt so helpless and lost before now. His squad destroyed and his regiment in tatters, he was the lone haunt of their post. Looming shadows cast by failing lights racked his nerves to breaking point. His boot sent a stone skimming across the broken tiles down the hall. It struck an old floor to ceiling glass display class and rung pure and loud like an alarm. As the ringing stopped everything went silent, more silent than he had known for weeks. His body racked with adrenaline has focussed his mind on one task, keeping hidden. Now he had failed so abruptly his body only thought of one thing, running. Terror seized the soldier. He whimpered slightly begging silently to the gods that the warriors stalking him had not heard the sound. Blood dropped down his brow from the glancing shot he had taken early. At the time he had praised the powers above that it had only glanced and not hit his head squarely. In hindsight the soldier wished it had killed him and saved him from this terror. He was going to die. He knew it. He just didn’t know when or how. That was something that only the gods decide. ‘Oh power above. Please save me from the demons of the false emperor and deliver me into your arms as a humble servant.’ The prayer was his last resort. There was nothing else to do. It was also his last words. ‘There is only one emperor of mankind and his angels have come to strike you down heretic,’ The blade of a huge power weapon cleft the warriors head in two and kept slicing till the blade stuck fast in the breastbone. ‘And you are cast out from the end of days. Never to see his glorious emperors light again, for that is the path you have chosen heretic general Rothen.’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubernator Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 New paint scheme will take you an age to paint. Try altering it like so: - Green helmet and perhaps shoulderpads - Dark grey codpiece, abdomen, knees and backpack (all parts of it) The lighter grey could be Boltgun Metal or Mithril Silver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xscottfergox Posted January 15, 2011 Author Share Posted January 15, 2011 Ye the lighter grey is supposed to represent metallic grey i.e boltgun metal etc Here's a quick proportional sketch mock up for my character design. http://i55.tinypic.com/91fdwo.jpg Edit: Soon as i put this up i noticed his left shoulder pad and legs seem too small... and he has an abnormally long neck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xscottfergox Posted January 15, 2011 Author Share Posted January 15, 2011 New sketch with a little artificer styling :pirate: I am aware this would be nigh on impossible to model. But hey its a sketch http://i53.tinypic.com/307umis.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 ...and he has an abnormally long neck Giraffe Marines! Liking that second artificed armour alot, as it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xscottfergox Posted January 15, 2011 Author Share Posted January 15, 2011 Pity i will probably have to sacrifice all the detail. Maybe i'll do an inquisitor scale model in the future with all the artificer detailing... But the general idea is there. I've no feedback on the titbit of my story though =/ Come on guys lol And here's a few bulletpoint ideas about the chapter's background. They are a very silent and morose chapter. Only uttering words in battle to condemn and denounce the enemy I'm thinking a name along the lines of 'The Judges of the fallen' The force commander is going to be known as 'Watcher Captain . . . (will insert name here later)' Seargents and squad leaders etc will be 'Speaker . . . ( insert name) Troops will be known as 'Arbitrator...' They're battle style is effecient and cold They are specialised in demorilising and destroying heretic forces and relish combat with the traitor legions, more so than other chapters That's my first few final ideas ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Pity i will probably have to sacrifice all the detail. Maybe i'll do an inquisitor scale model in the future with all the artificer detailing... But the general idea is there. How're your green stuff skills? Layer tiny strips across the armour to give that raised/embossed look? *I know that that is possibly a horrible idea* And here's a few bulletpoint ideas about the chapter's background. They are a very silent and morose chapter. Only uttering words in battle to condemn and denounce the enemy I'm thinking a name along the lines of 'The Judges of the fallen' The force commander is going to be known as 'Watcher Captain . . . (will insert name here later)' Seargents and squad leaders etc will be 'Speaker . . . ( insert name) Troops will be known as 'Arbitrator...' They're battle style is effecient and cold They are specialised in demorilising and destroying heretic forces and relish combat with the traitor legions, more so than other chapters That's my first few final ideas ... - So they never talk? Ever? Why? - Fallen makes me think Dark Angels - Watch-Captain may work better, but is a Deathwatch rank. - Why? - Arbitrators are Imperial Police/anti-terrorist organisation, a massive one at that. - All Astartes are efficient and most are "cold", well depending on your definition and context. - A lopping off of the head is by far the most demoralising thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xscottfergox Posted January 15, 2011 Author Share Posted January 15, 2011 My green stuff skills used to be good. But it has been a while and i would most likely lose patience :tu: Ofcourse they talk. But not conversationally or wastefully. I'm thinking of righting a few poetic phrases for them to use lol hmm. Its tricky to differentiate from what has already done i have to admit. Ive changed my mind about watcher captain. Think judge captain may work. But dont want judge dred to come to mind =/ lol speaker as they are going to be one of the few of my marines speaking the words of denouncement to the enemy in battle. As i say. The marines will be largely silent. that's the arbites. But ye i think it is a bit confusing. I know. I'm trying to keep them silent and removed, even more so than normal astartes. This is going to be a big part of my plot. Oh but ofcourse :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Ofcourse they talk. But not conversationally or wastefully. I'm thinking of righting a few poetic phrases for them to use lol hmm. Its tricky to differentiate from what has already done i have to admit. Ive changed my mind about watcher captain. Think judge captain may work. But dont want judge dred to come to mind =/ lol speaker as they are going to be one of the few of my marines speaking the words of denouncement to the enemy in battle. As i say. The marines will be largely silent. that's the arbites. But ye i think it is a bit confusing. I know. I'm trying to keep them silent and removed, even more so than normal astartes. This is going to be a big part of my plot. Oh but ofcourse :tu: - More detail, even in bullet points dammit! :D - Depends how much the rank is used, every Captain or a certain one or two? - Makes sense. - Adeptus Arbites is the organisation name, but the lowest rank are Arbitrators just as there are Provost Marshals/Arbitor Generals. - Figure out where that comes into the Chapter - historically from the palce they recruit from or because of their active history? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xscottfergox Posted January 15, 2011 Author Share Posted January 15, 2011 Well i'll try give some more detail here about my intial ideas. They are going to be a successor chapter. . . just havnt decided which. Obviously very obscure as a chapter themselves, they are going to be largely mysterious and difficult individuals. They'll definately put a normal man off his stride, even by marine standards. This is going to be a big part of my plot as they are integrated into a mass offensive with the imperial guard. Some commanders who have dealt with marines in the past are put out by the silent, dark master of the chapter. (Yet to name or characterise this guy yet :whistlingW:) He'll speak in riddles and poetics when off duty. But in battle he is swift and concise. Giving orders in simple code word bursts to his subordinates. Their ranks are going to be largely symbolic. The master of the chapter is seen as the head judge. The Captains are the subordinate judges. The seargents are the prosecutors. And the troopers are the Executioners. I just need to think how to succesfully interpret this into a good character development. I think i will drop the arbitrator idea :lol: too much similar to the arbites as you pointed out. Another idea i've had is that when they are around the imperial guard they may disable their outward vox systems. The ceramite armour will contain any sounds they speak so that the vox is their only way of communicating. With their outward vox systems disabled they will be conversing with their brothers but the guard wont know that. If that makes sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Another idea i've had is that when they are around the imperial guard they may disable their outward vox systems. The ceramite armour will contain any sounds they speak so that the vox is their only way of communicating. With their outward vox systems disabled they will be conversing with their brothers but the guard wont know that. If that makes sense? That's what happens anyway; Power Armour is self-contained, so that nothing escapes in terms of vocalisation unless the wearer wants it to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xscottfergox Posted January 15, 2011 Author Share Posted January 15, 2011 That's what happens anyway; Power Armour is self-contained, so that nothing escapes in terms of vocalisation unless the wearer wants it to. That's what I mean. They'll use it so that only their battle brothers hear their voices. That's brought me another idea... They value their voices and words and worship them as the emperor god's own speech through their lips. As they wouldn't have come into being if it were'nt for his infinite wisdom... That sounds pretty fruity but ye.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKHaZZ13 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 That's what happens anyway; Power Armour is self-contained, so that nothing escapes in terms of vocalisation unless the wearer wants it to. That's what I mean. They'll use it so that only their battle brothers hear their voices. That's brought me another idea... They value their voices and words and worship them as the emperor god's own speech through their lips. As they wouldn't have come into being if it were'nt for his infinite wisdom... That sounds pretty fruity but ye.. Space marines don't generally regard the big E! as a god....more of a kind of 'grandfather' figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GooseDaMoose Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 That's what happens anyway; Power Armour is self-contained, so that nothing escapes in terms of vocalisation unless the wearer wants it to. That's what I mean. They'll use it so that only their battle brothers hear their voices. That's brought me another idea... They value their voices and words and worship them as the emperor god's own speech through their lips. As they wouldn't have come into being if it were'nt for his infinite wisdom... That sounds pretty fruity but ye.. Space marines don't generally regard the big E! as a god....more of a kind of 'grandfather' figure. This I really don't understand. First of all, they call him the God-Emperor, and secondly how can half the Imperium's military (a regime based on tight control of information and mass propaganda) NOT believe the same as the rest of their race? Doesn't this cause conflict? I mean do they believe in the Imperial Truth? In which case why would they risk their lives fighting for a bunch of superstitious idiots? TELL ME!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xscottfergox Posted January 16, 2011 Author Share Posted January 16, 2011 I agree with goose. After reading enough space marine fiction to get a grasp of the ideas and characterisation of space marines I know they are indoctrinated to believe in the Emperor's divinity. Anywho, that is the point of my chapter's trait. They are loyal and worship the emperor through their voices aswell as in battle. And I think i am getting closer to a working paint scheme. It is supposed to be black. But you lose all the lines if you choose true black on the painter program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xscottfergox Posted January 16, 2011 Author Share Posted January 16, 2011 EDIT: I accidentally posted the same post twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 That's what happens anyway; Power Armour is self-contained, so that nothing escapes in terms of vocalisation unless the wearer wants it to. That's what I mean. They'll use it so that only their battle brothers hear their voices. That's brought me another idea... They value their voices and words and worship them as the emperor god's own speech through their lips. As they wouldn't have come into being if it were'nt for his infinite wisdom... That sounds pretty fruity but ye.. Space marines don't generally regard the big E! as a god....more of a kind of 'grandfather' figure. This I really don't understand. First of all, they call him the God-Emperor, and secondly how can half the Imperium's military (a regime based on tight control of information and mass propaganda) NOT believe the same as the rest of their race? Doesn't this cause conflict? I mean do they believe in the Imperial Truth? In which case why would they risk their lives fighting for a bunch of superstitious idiots? TELL ME!!!! Ok, if you so insist. Space Marines have a wealth of history - in some cases archives that date back to the Great Crusade - and they still hold to the belief that the Emperor should not be worshipped; in most cases it doesn't conclusively state that Chapters do not venerate him as a God - whatever title they give him - but this is generally infered. The Eccliesiarchy and the Astartes have an accord - symbolised byt the Rosarius - that the Imperial Church will not interfere in the faiths of the Astartes until such time as they become heretical, or so far from the norma as to be deemed heretical, and in the same way the Astartes do not preach to the Imperial Church. Now we come to the crux of the matter; Space Marines are an agency of the Emperor, specifically the Emperor due to their mandate, and as such they are part of the Imperial propoganda machine - thus, God-Emperor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xscottfergox Posted January 16, 2011 Author Share Posted January 16, 2011 Can we stop before this thread decends into semantics on the space marines views of the old guy. I need opinions on the scheme more than anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Can we stop before this thread decends into semantics on the space marines views of the old guy. I need opinions on the scheme more than anything. Everything helps :angry: Original and Second Scheme: Too pale and pastely (which isn't a word?) for my liking, Im more of a fan of hard, dark, colours. The last is the best, but still something doesnt sit right with it in my mind. Scheme depends on what you want the colours to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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