lord draceus Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 okay finally i`m making my first IA the Hydra wolves now here`s the IA founding:I don`t have the absolute founding but i think maybe 60 m41 purpose: to surpass the Grey knights as daemon hunters primarch: rumors circulate constantly as to the primarch of this chapter due to it`s daul nature. some say it`s russ while others say vulkan training:just how this chapter was founded and trained is a difficult iota of information to obtain (even for the mechanicus) once again double sided rumors once again space wolves and salamanders are involved (with the rumors that is) path of the dragon: one of the Hydra wolves` natures is that of the dragon ,this is why some would say they contain the essence of vulkan this "branch" is most associated with flame, melta, and plasma weapons. Also, marines from the dragon path tend to be better pilots for shuttles,thunder hawks, etc. than thier wolf based counter parts. path of the wolf:the second breed of hydra wolf is the wolf kin these "space wolf-ish" marines are the cause of the russ-based rumors about thier chapter. The feral and hardy men of the wolf path specialize with bolt weapons(or sniper rifles if they are scouts) and are much more adept with predators rhinos etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218900-hydra-wolves/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightrawenII Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Welcome in the Liber. If you don't know, we have guides here. The Guide to DIYing and Octaguide 2.0. Oh, be warned the following C&C are going to be harsh nad brutal. founding:I don`t have the absolute founding but i think maybe 60 m41 - We don't know the dates of the most foundings. The last, 26th was in 738M41. If you want to know "estimated" dates of others look up the Timeline sticky atop of this forum. purpose: to surpass the Grey knights as daemon hunters - No, no and 40k times no. The Grey Knights are THE BEST Deamon Hunters. There is several reasons for that and you Chapter will be striving just to reach the level of their awesome. Surpassing them is out of question and league for normal Astartes. Period. - Second. I smell "Awesome" vibe from your creation. That's bad, so bad that you really don't want to walk this path. primarch: rumors circulate constantly as to the primarch of this chapter due to it`s daul nature. some say it`s russ while others say vulkan - Dual nature? Lol, so they are mixed gen-seed?! Doesn't work my friend. #A Gene-seed of Wolves doesn't work for anyone outside Fenris. #B SW don't have successors, because of their ill-mannered gene-seed and because of their non-codex nature. #C Mixed gene-seed has often very bad side-effects. training:just how this chapter was founded and trained is a difficult iota of information to obtain (even for the mechanicus) once again double sided rumors once again space wolves and salamanders are involved (with the rumors that is) - Blah blah blah. Epic fail in attempt of creating a mystery. path of the dragon: one of the Hydra wolves` natures is that of the dragon ,this is why some would say they contain the essence of vulkan this "branch" is most associated with flame, melta, and plasma weapons. Also, marines from the dragon path tend to be better pilots for shuttles,thunder hawks, etc. than thier wolf based counter parts. path of the wolf:the second breed of hydra wolf is the wolf kin these "space wolf-ish" marines are the cause of the russ-based rumors about thier chapter. The feral and hardy men of the wolf path specialize with bolt weapons(or sniper rifles if they are scouts) and are much more adept with predators rhinos etc. - Meh, and that's exactly why is the mixed gene-seed advised against. You are taking the nature of two chapters and copy-paste it into your Chapter. With absolute no insight into cultures or traditions of the said Chapters. The geneline heritage has the least effect on the Chapter nature(bar the Blood Angels and maybe RavenGuard). The Chapter's beliefs, tactics and traditions are derived from their homeworld, history and in some cases from the teaching of their predecessor(s), not because they are of gene-seed of Chapter X. Concept refused. Read the guides and try something else. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218900-hydra-wolves/#findComment-2610305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 founding:I don`t have the absolute founding but i think maybe 60 m41 There's only been 26 foundings. So to be from 60th founding requires some crazy time-travel. :lol: purpose: to surpass the Grey knights as daemon hunters Not such a great idea. Bear in mind: * Grey knights are kind of a guarded secret that not everyone knows about. * The idea in itself stretches believability beyond breaking point. the GK are the best of the best in this field - if a chapter was better than them at hunting demons, or even in the same league, we'd have heard about them before. I'd highly reccomend the DIY guide stickied at the top of the forum. It's chock-full of great information and will help guide your obvious creativity down more believable paths. :huh: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218900-hydra-wolves/#findComment-2610375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
soddinnutter Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 They can not Be space wolves because of the High Lords seeing what happened to the Wolf Brothers and declaring it a very bad idea. If they were children of Vulkan they would know because the glowing red eyes are a dead give away. They can Aspire to be better than the GK all they want so long as they never achieve. Having cults of personality based around the teachings of the Primarchs could work well if done right. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218900-hydra-wolves/#findComment-2610442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argon Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 If they were children of Vulkan they would know because the glowing red eyes are a dead give away. Not true. There's a couple of chapters that are speculated to have Vulkan's gene-seed, but it isn't known for certain. The glowing red eyes and black skin are the effects of the Salamander's homeworld on their gene-seed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218900-hydra-wolves/#findComment-2610629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
soddinnutter Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Except that many marines spend plenty of time in other irradiated places (the planet they just dropped a nuke on as a distraction, for instance) and yet only the Salamanders have ever been mentioned as having Evil Overlord Eyes. It is therefore the visible manifestation of mutation made apparent by environment. Even if the environment is missing the mutation won't be. The Apothecaries would notice it. Also the gene-seed is more sacred than the contents of the reliquary. There would have to be a phenomenally good reason to actively burn the history books about their ancestry because no one is going to believe the whole 'It's been so long we forgot' thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218900-hydra-wolves/#findComment-2610646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Except that many marines spend plenty of time in other irradiated places (the planet they just dropped a nuke on as a distraction, for instance) and yet only the Salamanders have ever been mentioned as having Evil Overlord Eyes. It is therefore the visible manifestation of mutation made apparent by environment. Even if the environment is missing the mutation won't be. The Apothecaries would notice it. Also the gene-seed is more sacred than the contents of the reliquary. There would have to be a phenomenally good reason to actively burn the history books about their ancestry because no one is going to believe the whole 'It's been so long we forgot' thing. It isn't caused by just any type of radiation, they make it very specific that it's the certain type of radiation from their homeworld that causes the mutation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218900-hydra-wolves/#findComment-2610726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
soddinnutter Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 If it was caused by the homeworld and it is a mutation then it will be passed down with the rest of the genetic material. And as the mutation was present in Vulkan it will be present in all of his progeny. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218900-hydra-wolves/#findComment-2610731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 If it was caused by the homeworld and it is a mutation then it will be passed down with the rest of the genetic material. And as the mutation was present in Vulkan it will be present in all of his progeny. The mutable geneseed is passed down, but the specific effects of the radiation are not, because the effects only seem to happen after implantation, thus it can be assumed that the radiation effects specific organs rather than the Geneseed itself. It leaves the window open for other radiations to do different things to their successors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218900-hydra-wolves/#findComment-2610794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord draceus Posted January 9, 2011 Author Share Posted January 9, 2011 okay thanks for the advice, i`ve still got a lot of work to do lol! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218900-hydra-wolves/#findComment-2611569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 okay thanks for the advice, i`ve still got a lot of work to do lol! We're happy to help. ;) My first chapter was even more far-fetched, if I recall rightly. :) EDIT: I should say, my first concept for a chapter. It's one I'm still working on in real life, where the marines have a thousand dragons but no tanks in their chapter. And I'll never write the IA for them, because I enjoy living too much. :cuss Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218900-hydra-wolves/#findComment-2611638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacklight Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 EDIT:I should say, my first concept for a chapter. It's one I'm still working on in real life, where the marines have a thousand dragons but no tanks in their chapter. And I'll never write the IA for them, because I enjoy living too much. :P Something tells me the Inquisition here would flense you alive if they heard about that ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218900-hydra-wolves/#findComment-2611648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 EDIT:I should say, my first concept for a chapter. It's one I'm still working on in real life, where the marines have a thousand dragons but no tanks in their chapter. And I'll never write the IA for them, because I enjoy living too much. :lol: Something tells me the Inquisition here would flense you alive if they heard about that ;) The Inquisition? Seriously? By the time they got here, Heru would already be using my spine as a flail, my teeth would be doing duty as dice, and various other bits of my skeleton, organs, and even mechanical limbs would be picked over by the friendly inhabitants of the Liber for use as grizzly trophies or to complete obsucre collections. Inquisition. Pah. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218900-hydra-wolves/#findComment-2611747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothete Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 The Inquisition? Seriously? By the time they got here, Heru would already be using my spine as a flail, my teeth would be doing duty as dice, and various other bits of my skeleton, organs, and even mechanical limbs would be picked over by the friendly inhabitants of the Liber for use as grizzly trophies or to complete obsucre collections. Inquisition. Pah. If the techmarines let you in on the secret of my ursine collectables' null safe, I'll destroy them all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218900-hydra-wolves/#findComment-2611750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 If the techmarines let you in on the secret of my ursine collectables' null safe, I'll destroy them all. I didn't know you had one of those, let alone that it had a secret. :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218900-hydra-wolves/#findComment-2612052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacklight Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 The Inquisition? Seriously? By the time they got here, Heru would already be using my spine as a flail, my teeth would be doing duty as dice, and various other bits of my skeleton, organs, and even mechanical limbs would be picked over by the friendly inhabitants of the Liber for use as grizzly trophies or to complete obsucre collections. Inquisition. Pah. The B&C Inquisition is what I meant :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/218900-hydra-wolves/#findComment-2612280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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