DarkLiege Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Hi I'm kind of new to this whole thing. The name i came upon while looking through the Chapter name creator and hopefully no one took this name yet. Well, onto the chapter itself Chapter name: Doom Wolves Geneseed: Unknown Founding: 22 Founding History (so far): there are little to no records of the chapter known as the doom wolves. They appear on the battlefield when and where it is need the most. Although little to no information are known of them, one can only imagine what happen in their early years as a chapter. they are now a Fleet Based Chapter Traits: They are known to act in a way similar to the Space Wolves and some say they are their successor but the high lord of Terra denied ever using Space wolves geneseed not after what happen to the wolf brother chapter. some of their traits are heighten senses of hearing and seeing. BattleCry: there are no known knowledge of the Doom Wolves having a battle cry but it is known that they howled like a wolf would to both encourage their battle brothers and to bring fear to the enemies. this is all for now. Please leave a comment and some advice on how to improve this. Thank a lot!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219041-doom-wolves-help/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKO Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 It has a legion of the damn mix with space wolf feel to it. With that combination you will have a very difficult time making a good IA. I think you can take traits that you like from both of them and make an interesting chapter without making it obvious its legion of damn and space wolves mixed together. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219041-doom-wolves-help/#findComment-2611852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 First off, I recommend the Guide to DIYing stickied at the top of the forum if you haven't already read it. It's the Codex Astartes of the Adeptus Indexus. And now on to the brutal massacre...err, kindly offered and well informed critique of your ideas. I'm a bit rusty, haven't done this in a few weeks. Geneseed: Unknown It's almost impossible for geneseed to be unknown. This doesn't really add much to a chapter. Primarchs are so much cooler than a seven letter word. If Magnus wanted to(don't use him for geneseed, by the way), he could wipe out every single mention of the word "unknown". He got into the Emperor's Palace, of course he can do that. History (so far): there are little to no records of the chapter known as the doom wolves. They appear on the battlefield when and where it is need the most. Although little to no information are known of them, one can only imagine what happen in their early years as a chapter. Two things: One, try to tone down the Legion of the Damned references. As much as we love them, not every one can be a creepy, bone obsessed thing who randomly appears out of nowhere and shoots stuff. We can always hope, though. Sigh... Two, not having any records has been described as the fifth Chaos God, whose followers bear the Mark of Laziness. This doesn't really(at the risk of repeating myself) add to the chapter. In fact, it takes away from it, because you can't explain their personality or anything. You don't know who the chapter is. They could be slug riding fanatics with big, pointy teeth, or they could be a wise and knowledgeable chapter, always considering the possible outcomes of their actions. More detail(to a point) is good. Traits: They are known to act in a way similar to the Space Wolves and some say they are their successor but the high lord of Terra denied ever using Space wolves geneseed not after what happen to the wolf brother chapter. some of their traits are heighten senses of hearing and seeing. For not-Space Wolves, they seem an awful lot like them... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219041-doom-wolves-help/#findComment-2611866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Are they the answer to what actually did happen to the Wolf Brothers? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219041-doom-wolves-help/#findComment-2611986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 bad things happened... Very bad. Consider that whatever happened was so bad that no more chapters were made, when the raven guard have had successors, the ba's have had successors......... Very bad things. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219041-doom-wolves-help/#findComment-2612169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacklight Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Are they the answer to what actually did happen to the Wolf Brothers? From what I could find on the Lexicanum, there's speculation that the Wolf Brothers were affected by the Wulfen gene and mutated heavily. The 13th Great Company of the Space Wolves has the same mutation, which causes them to mutate into sort of werewolves, but my guess is the Wolf Brothers mutated even moreso than the 13th did. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219041-doom-wolves-help/#findComment-2612282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
soddinnutter Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 The difference being that he Imperial Authorities can do something about the Wolf Brothers whereas the 13the Grand Company has been on a 10,000 year crusade in the Eye of Terror where the post office refuse to deliver. It could be that the original gene-seed was of one of the more stable genetic groups (Gulliman, Mannus, Jonson, Vulkan, Khan) but the Training Cadre sent to help the chapter was of the Space Wolves (or Wolf Brothers before they were legally disbanded) and they harvested the Gene-seed of them after they eventually died. Through progressive generations the brothers with a stable form of the Canis Helix have done better than their more 'normal' brethren and the Wolf-Gene has become more dominant in the hybrid gene-pool. Bow they are as Space Wolf as its possible to get whilst not actually being a Space Wolf. Or you could have it where the genetic integration has stabilised and most of the chapter appears 100% fine. But only occasionally do you get a brother who is 'Touched by Russ' and they are usually placed in the Scout Company for life because that's the place that the heightened senses are most useful. Just ideas. But please do not go with the 'Gene-seed: Unknown' path. It's bad and those who use it should feel bad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219041-doom-wolves-help/#findComment-2612497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLiege Posted January 10, 2011 Author Share Posted January 10, 2011 thanks for your help guys and Soddinnutter, I sort of like your ideas for it so I'll try to fit some of that into the chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219041-doom-wolves-help/#findComment-2612735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 My question was kinda rhetorical guys :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219041-doom-wolves-help/#findComment-2613103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLiege Posted January 15, 2011 Author Share Posted January 15, 2011 I started to have this crazy idea yesterday while walking home. Here it is!! The chapter, Doom Wolves, is a remnants of the traitor chapter, Wolf Brothers. Like the wolf brothers, the Doom Wolves can't control their mutation as well, turning into feral beasts. Much of the chapter are consist of these 'beasts'. It has been notice that they chase their enemies on all fours like how a predator would hunt its prey. the Doom Wolves consist of 10 companies but I'm not sure how to do this yet. They have a book it which they view it as their own codex called Caninus Liber or the Book of Wolves. they're recruitment is a secret. the Doom Wolves, look as they are traitors by the imperium but they continue to battle the forces of chaos. Im not sure if this is a good one both I'm wondering if all the SM of the wolf brothers turned traitors or only some of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219041-doom-wolves-help/#findComment-2619317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightrawenII Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Im not sure if this is a good one both I'm wondering if all the SM of the wolf brothers turned traitors or only some of them. No, the Wolf Brothers were disbanded because of genetic instability, which poses a question; How it come your Chapter is here all fine and dandy? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219041-doom-wolves-help/#findComment-2619431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
soddinnutter Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 It would not work. The Wolf Brothers were so mutated that they could not function as a chapter. Not because they were an insult to the purity of the human genetic (otherwise we wouldn't have Ogyrn in the Guard). Also there is no indication that the Wolf Brothers refused to come to an end. They probably either returned to their brothers on Fenris and re-amalgamated back into the Space Wolves, simply stopped recruiting and waited for terminal attrition or went on some glorious death charge into the maw of hell. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219041-doom-wolves-help/#findComment-2620159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 I started to have this crazy idea yesterday while walking home. Here it is!! The chapter, Doom Wolves, is a remnants of the traitor chapter, Wolf Brothers. Woah.. Back up the bus, there fella! No, simply. The best way to get the Space Wolves angle is to make them a traitorous Great Company; Skyrax's Dark Wolves are the one mentioned in C:CSM as I recall? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219041-doom-wolves-help/#findComment-2620169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLiege Posted January 23, 2011 Author Share Posted January 23, 2011 After a thought into this, I decided to go the route that Soddinnutter said/suggested. After the Successful unsuccessful 21st cursed founding, the High Lords of Terra deem it is ready to create the 22nd Founding. Among the Founding, the Doom Wolves will come to be, using the geneseed of the Imperial Fist. But it would not be the imperial fist, that will train them but instead it will be the Space Wolves. The Doom Wolves will be station Segmentum Tempestus, where they will battle the ever growing threat of the xenos race of orks and the piratical eldar. Their combats would be proven useful as they wage war against the xenos with the stubbornness of the Imperial fist and the ruthlessness of the space wolves tactics. the Wolves goes by to the Codex set out my the ultramarines with only ten companies in services. their ten company of scouts were soon named the 'black wolves' or shadow wolves for their reputation of infiltration into enemy base to wreck havoc, they go on missions of assassinations, sabatoge and more. the six companies are will known for their recklessness of charging into battle headlong and so forth. i want each company to have a elemnet type to them like fire, ice\, lightning and such. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219041-doom-wolves-help/#findComment-2630778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
XKhalilX Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 if you like the wolf iconograpy that is fine, but they cant be sons of Russ. No way no how. UNLESS, and this is a big if, they were simply a band of fallen space wolves. NOT A CHAPTER. you u wanna do a chapter, and keep the feral savageness, make them White Scar gene, heck they can even be ultra (see Mortifactors). Geneseed i think doesnt determine a personality of a chapter, its their relationship to how the primarch was that determines it. obviously the flawed geneseeds that are usable (Blood Angels, Raven Guard) or a mutation (Dorn seed lacking certain orgas, Vulkan seed having the obvious skin mutations) add a different element. but i think you should go white scar, raven guard, or ultras on their geneseed. Based on what you want them to do, Raven Guard or White Scars sounds best. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219041-doom-wolves-help/#findComment-2630788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLiege Posted January 23, 2011 Author Share Posted January 23, 2011 thanks XKhalilX I will think about the 3 or so chapters that you suggested but i want the imperial fist for their stubbornness that's most why and how they would not yield to the enemy of man. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219041-doom-wolves-help/#findComment-2630808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
XKhalilX Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 if you like the IF thing thats fine, i was just thinking the other 3 might be better suited based on what u were looking for. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page that should give u lots of info on any chapter u can think of. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219041-doom-wolves-help/#findComment-2631128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLiege Posted January 24, 2011 Author Share Posted January 24, 2011 i could see how the white scar geneseed would help but i still dont quite see how the raven guard geneseed would help in a way? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219041-doom-wolves-help/#findComment-2631145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
XKhalilX Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 ravenguard are known for fast strike attacks, ambush. there like the imperium's navy seals. and Kayvaan shrike is one of the coolest marine characters ever. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219041-doom-wolves-help/#findComment-2631177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLiege Posted January 24, 2011 Author Share Posted January 24, 2011 i wonder if it is possblie to have a chapter have the personality of the space wolves like its savageness but the geneseed, take the raven guard for example, as their tactics. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219041-doom-wolves-help/#findComment-2631199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
XKhalilX Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 it depends basically In my opinion, on who their training cadre is. It would be odd to not have the chapter that they were founded from, to not train them. but im no expert. it is possible, but i would assume rare. perhaps the small training cadre of whom there founded were in the midst of training when an enemy came into the sector or region of space, and nearby space wolves or raven guard were called for assistance. by time the war was over, the training cadre was wiped out, and the wolves or raven guard took the young initiates of your chapter to train up since they fought so bravely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219041-doom-wolves-help/#findComment-2631209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLiege Posted January 24, 2011 Author Share Posted January 24, 2011 although i like that idea alot I was hoping for them to be trained by the Space wolves or i might just rename the chapter completely to suit the raven guards style of warfare. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219041-doom-wolves-help/#findComment-2631226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishida Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Its not like wolves and ravens don't have massive amounts of connections to the myths of the Norse or American Indians... or countless other cultures. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219041-doom-wolves-help/#findComment-2631234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 ravenguard are known for fast strike attacks, ambush. there like the imperium's navy seals. and Kayvaan shrike is one of the coolest marine characters ever. None of those things are qualities of gene-seed though. A fast-striking ambush DIY could just as easily (and statistically at least, should be) an Ultramarines successor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219041-doom-wolves-help/#findComment-2631326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLiege Posted January 24, 2011 Author Share Posted January 24, 2011 @Plague Angel if what you said is true then what qualities of a gene-seed should one consider in making a DIY Chapter? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219041-doom-wolves-help/#findComment-2632436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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