cursed by possession changed to "haunted by daemons"

[The Shiny One]

Having trouble sleeping, I just thought of a cool idea for my chapter i am working on, and it got me so exited that i simply had to share it and really want to here what you think of it:

 

A 21st founding chapter is created to to be more resistent against chaos but being the 21st founding the project fails and the chapter is cursed in the following way:

Instead of being more resistent against possession, they start attracting demons. A lot of marine get even possessed. But the intended resistance works somehow and the marines are able to bind or trap the demons in there own bodys/souls (the marines bodys). Because of the attraction, there homeworld gets swarmed by demons (perhaps some kind of chain reaction through the warp) and the inquisition has to excommunicated them, because they endanger every one.

 

Some survive and become renegades being cursed to life with demons inside them, hated by everyone, blamed of destroying there homeworld and chapter, but not really guilty of it. Over time they start to control the trapped demons and transform in some kind of little demonprinces, or clear headed possessed.

 

So whats do you think? To much super for a chapter?

[PH34RB0T]

I think it's a little much, but it reminds me of the fluff on The Exorcists.

[CKO]

If a primarch is eventually taken over by a Daemon what chance does a normal marine have?

[The Shiny One]

Which primarch was taken over by a demon?

[Brother Tyler]

Fulgrim

[The Shiny One]

Ok, i didn't know that, thank you.

 

How about the ones that survive become simply insane through the burden they bear. So they are able to control the possession but are not able to think clearly?

The only thing keeping them from falling to chaos is the emperors light...

 

Or they simply fall to chaos but keep hating the demons because they trouble them, would that be plausible?

[The Shiny One]

I worked a bit more on the concept and mad a little IA for this purpose:

 

IT: Blazing Beasts.

 

Origin:

The high lords of terra created the Blazing Beasts during the 21st founding to fight of chaotic treats around the malestrom. For this purpose they used the Ultramarine genseed and altered it to be more resistant against chaotic influence.

 

Homeworld:

The Blazing Beasts settled on Rrathyria a rough mountain world in the Ultima Segmentum near the maelstrom. The human inhabitants of this world had only a primitive hunting culture but proved worthy for recruitment, because they shared there world with many carnivores beast much bigger than themselves.

 

Combat tactics:

The Blazing Beast were almost completely codex adherent before there fall. They believed in the power of brute force in combat and despised tactics like stealth. Because of there completely mountainous homeworld they made great use of jumppacks, land speeders and thunderhawks and almost no use of bikes, and eventually they stopped training tactical marines in the use of these.

 

Fall:

The first millennium the chapter developed very good and normal but somehow the demonic treats they encountered started to accumulate.

The reason for this was that the developed genetic resistance to chaos produced a kind of smell in the immaterium, which attracted the daemonic beings of the warp. At the beginning of M37 more and more of the Blazing Beast became even possessed by daemons. But instead of being controlled by this daemons they trapped the daemons into there bodies like daemonhosts. This attraction increased exponentially, climaxing in 37.037 when the sheer mass of daemons produced a warp rift and Rrathyria became swarmed by demonic legions.

This lead to excommunicate by the Ordo Malleus, who immediately sent the Grey Knight to eliminate the remaining Blazing Beasts, which had barricaded themselves in there fortress monastery.

Only around a hundred Blazing Beasts were able to escape onto a strike cruiser and flew into the warp from the vast power of the Grey Knights.

Moving through the realm of daemons it took only a few hours until every one of the marines was possessed by warp creatures, but being able to bind the daemons the Blazing Beast entered a kind of symbiotic state with the trapped daemons. Feeling cursed by the imperium to now life together with there hated enemies until eternity, the Blazing Beasts became consumed by the emotion of hate against every other being but themselves. Trough time they started to transform more and more into bestial monsters completely striped of there humanity, searching for a place were no daemons can follow them.

 

 

C&C is very welcome! please write if its worthy of being further elaborated? Or if you think its not good at all...

 

I even think this could all be all a scam of Tzeentch, who somehow influenced the process of the genetic alteration to create a gate for his legions into the material world or just a treat against man kind.

[Captain Juan Juarez]

IT: Blazing Beasts.

 

Origin:

The high lords of terra created the Blazing Beasts during the 21st founding to fight of chaotic treats around the malestrom. For this purpose they used the Ultramarine genseed and altered it to be more resistant against chaotic influence.

 

Suceptibility to Chaos is a weakness of the mind, not the body - except in the case of physical mutation and even then you never see mutation without interaction/acceptance of Chaos.

[The Shiny One]

Suceptibility to Chaos is a weakness of the mind, not the body - except in the case of physical mutation and even then you never see mutation without interaction/acceptance of Chaos.

 

So this means the whole concept is no good? Or do i need to rewrite it more to an Exorcist-like training?

 

And whats with the pariah gen? its a gen, that influences the presence in the warp, or not?

[Captain Juan Juarez]

Susceptibility to Chaos is a weakness of the mind, not the body - except in the case of physical mutation and even then you never see mutation without interaction/acceptance of Chaos.

 

So this means the whole concept is no good? Or do i need to rewrite it more to an Exorcist-like training?

 

Well, in my opinion, I find the reasoning a bit lax on the reason side.

 

A resistant geneseed would just make a Traitor less susceptible to mutations once he came into contact with Chaos.

 

Remember the Arch-Traitor; it was the pride and arrogance of Horus that cause his fall, his weakness was of the mind and not the body - although technically you could say the failure of his body led to his mind being attacked.

[Ecritter]

I think its more of just what Chaos can use to convert the marines, most I'd say mental flaws but I'm sure some would fall due to physical flaws. Mental is just easier I think.

[The Shiny One]

So i need a psychologic reason why daemons are attracted to them. Like being extremly brutal to there enemys?

 

I really would like to create a chapter that is doomed to fall to chaos no, but is not really guilty of it themselves.

[Blacklight]

So i need a psychologic reason why daemons are attracted to them. Like being extremly brutal to there enemys?

 

I really would like to create a chapter that is doomed to fall to chaos no, but is not really guilty of it themselves.

 

You could do something like the Black Rage the Blood Angels have. When the marines enter battle they go into a sort of bloodlust that makes them incredibly fearsome in battle, but attracts Chaos - particularly the Blood God. In their bloodlust they're susceptible to possession, but it doesn't mean they're tainted willingly. When they recover they find they're possessed. Could do a spin off of Death Company, where the possessed marines go to keep the possession from spreading to other marines.

 

Just an idea :D

[Captain Juan Juarez]

You don't have to go down the route of tinkering with their biology though to get the same effect.. Just think of a plausible reason.

 

Take the Word Bearers for example; the corruption during the Great Crusade all began with the Chaplains - even a few individuals can alter the perceptions of many with the right skills.

[The Shiny One]

But i really like the 21st founding, so mutation would be a plausible reason, or not?

The only problem is that the official 21st chapters keep everything very vague, so there is not much orientation how far i could go...

[Captain Juan Juarez]

But i really like the 21st founding, so mutation would be a plausible reason, or not?

The only problem is that the official 21st chapters keep everything very vague, so there is not much orientation how far i could go...

 

For me, no, for the aforementioned reasons.

 

Also, basing your Chapter off simply the Founding to tie it all together... That way pain and suffering lay.

[The Shiny One]

So has anyone of you an idea how "cursed to be possessed" could work?

The only thing i can come up at the moment, is a "searching for wisdom" theme (tzeentch) and a brutal-slaughter-deathcompany-theme (Khorne or Slaanesh), suggested by Blacklight, but i somehow dislike them both as i find they are done to the max and somehow already covered by the original traitor legions...

[Captain Juan Juarez]

Drop the idea that it has to be beacuse of genetic tinkering and you open up alot of doors.

 

Maybe they draw from aculture that has a strong scholarly ethic, something which has wormed its way into the Chapter: this could lead them to seeking all kinds of knowledge.

 

"Knowledge is all; to know is to find the truth of the universe. Knowledge is evil? The only evil lies in how you use that knowledge - in service to the Emperor our knowledge becomes a weapon sharper than any blade.

 

Then you explore how in seeking ever more esoteric and forbidden knowledge, they opened their minds to it in an attempt to better understand it.. And thus Corruption came a' callin'.

[The Shiny One]

The Problem with the dark path of knowledge is, that i have tried it a few times and i end up in some pretty complicated/unnecessary events, because deep down i want them to be innocent. Therefor a curse seems for me the most plausible solution.

 

Another idea of me was that they become infected with the obliterator virus, but i got no response on it. So didn't know if it was good or not, and i dismissed it.

 

Perhaps only one company gets infected, the inquisition demands there extinction, there brothers deny it and therefore get destroyed protecting them, the infected flee into the warp, tormented by guilt?

[Captain Juan Juarez]

No one is innocent; we are all guilty of the good we didn't do.

 

Even if it is a single Company, they can still be pruged and forced to flee - yada, yada, yada - guilty by association and all that.

[The Shiny One]

So whats your opinion on an obliterator infection?

If they are Iron Hand successors it seems pretty obvious that they could embrase it...

 

And by the way Captain J. thank you for your intrest.

[Hubernator]

I personally can see some sort of merit behind the general concept but I'm more liking to what Juan suggested. Perhaps a culture (think Mians or Aztecs) consider deamons to actually be minions of the Gods, who they worship to a point where they make sacrifises - i.e. letting a deamon possess a willing host. Have tat worm into the Chapter so the Chapter eventually considers it a ritual, perhaps to further enhance their powers or their resistance to Chaos, something like that.

If you took that path I think there should be internal conflict and a rebellion of sorts - where one side of the Chapter sees a tradition, the other sees blatent heresy and Chaos taint. And the =][= would be all over the Chapter like wildfire once they catch wind of what they're doing.

[The Shiny One]

I never considerate the homeworld cult influence before, but it seems like a good idea Hubernator. I will try to think of a way i could use it. But this is what i came up with right now (just the scenario for the fall):

 

Some Marines get infected with the obliterator virus, while cleaning a Forgeworld from a cult. As they cant find a cure they slowly start embracing it for the power it brings to the battlefield. The Inquisition gets a hold of this and demands there annihilation. The chapter refuses out of loyalty for there brothers and therefore gets attacked by grey knights.

Being nearly defeated, around a hundred marines are able to flee with the help of the infected brothers onto a strike cruiser and into the warp.

Without normal supply routes, they are forced to spread the infection among them.

[Captain Juan Juarez]

And by the way Captain J. thank you for your intrest.

 

My pleasure, it beats working ;)

 

 

I personally can see some sort of merit behind the general concept but I'm more liking to what Juan suggested. Perhaps a culture (think Mians or Aztecs) consider deamons to actually be minions of the Gods, who they worship to a point where they make sacrifises - i.e. letting a deamon possess a willing host. Have tat worm into the Chapter so the Chapter eventually considers it a ritual, perhaps to further enhance their powers or their resistance to Chaos, something like that.

If you took that path I think there should be internal conflict and a rebellion of sorts - where one side of the Chapter sees a tradition, the other sees blatent heresy and Chaos taint. And the =][= would be all over the Chapter like wildfire once they catch wind of what they're doing.

 

One day I hope to only have good ideas for my own work :)

 

I like this concept better, but it still has flaws.

 

I never considerate the homeworld cult influence before, but it seems like a good idea Hubernator. I will try to think of a way i could use it. But this is what i came up with right now (just the scenario for the fall):

 

Some Marines get infected with the obliterator virus, while cleaning a Forgeworld from a cult. As they cant find a cure they slowly start embracing it for the power it brings to the battlefield. The Inquisition gets a hold of this and demands there annihilation. The chapter refuses out of loyalty for there brothers and therefore gets attacked by grey knights.

Being nearly defeated, around a hundred marines are able to flee with the help of the infected brothers onto a strike cruiser and into the warp.

Without normal supply routes, they are forced to spread the infection among them.

 

Thing is, now you're strapping yourself to the Oblit Virus.

[The Shiny One]

I never considerate the homeworld cult influence before, but it seems like a good idea Hubernator. I will try to think of a way i could use it. But this is what i came up with right now (just the scenario for the fall):

 

Some Marines get infected with the obliterator virus, while cleaning a Forgeworld from a cult. As they cant find a cure they slowly start embracing it for the power it brings to the battlefield. The Inquisition gets a hold of this and demands there annihilation. The chapter refuses out of loyalty for there brothers and therefore gets attacked by grey knights.

Being nearly defeated, around a hundred marines are able to flee with the help of the infected brothers onto a strike cruiser and into the warp.

Without normal supply routes, they are forced to spread the infection among them.

 

Thing is, now you're strapping yourself to the Oblit Virus.

 

But is it plausible?

The problem i have is, that i have a pretty clear vision of the ending for the chapter (a small warband that is completely chaos mutated). And now i have to find a way to explane this in the most logical way...