ANCIENT FALOR Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Started reading the whole series over. just finished galaxy in flames. I really hope Loken comes back a dreadnought. His inJuries being so severe I think its the best way to bring him back. Returning in dreadnought form there's still the tragedy of him losing so much. A lot of people want him to stay dead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219120-if-loken-came-back-as-a-dreadnought/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaosRaptor Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 It would be interesting to see Loken come back...after all he went through though, I daresay he would be somewhat mentally unstable. Like you said though, some people don't want him back. Main issue I have with bringing him back as a dreadnought is that somebody would have to find him. First, I doubt anyone would believe there would be survivors after the planet was virus-bombed and then assaulted by the traitors (or was it the other way? I can't remember), and second, who would bring him back? It's not like the Sons of Horus would bring him back, and if not them, some other Legion would have to "adopt" him. That said, it could be a cool plot twist, if implemented correctly. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219120-if-loken-came-back-as-a-dreadnought/#findComment-2613101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaz. Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 who would bring him back? Thats the main-question I`ve asked myself when i read this thread for the first time. I don`t think that the Sons Of Horus had the intentions to bring him back... In my opinion only Iacton Qruze had good reasons to capture Loken`s body and bring him back as a D`nought but i don`t think that this will happen... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219120-if-loken-came-back-as-a-dreadnought/#findComment-2613105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrox Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Doubt it would happen The only people who could plausibly go and retrieve his body, in a story telling sense, is Garro and Qruze, and even then you'd need a decent reason Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219120-if-loken-came-back-as-a-dreadnought/#findComment-2613141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wise_crak Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Reason: qruze is bringing back the luna wolves under his command :lol: ahah Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219120-if-loken-came-back-as-a-dreadnought/#findComment-2613160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashe Darke Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 I don't think Tarvitz and his lot are dead. If you read it carefully there is nothing to say the bombs hit them. 'Bombs falling overhead' is equally true if you're out in the open or in that hidden underground bunker. So that's who my money is on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219120-if-loken-came-back-as-a-dreadnought/#findComment-2613252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wise_crak Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 I don't think Tarvitz and his lot are dead. If you read it carefully there is nothing to say the bombs hit them. 'Bombs falling overhead' is equally true if you're out in the open or in that hidden underground bunker. So that's who my money is on. * POSSIBLE SPOILER TO HH BOOKS* i am sure tarik torgaddom had his head cut off and garviel loken was really badly injured Wisey :RTBBB: MASSIVE EDIT: wrote tarvitz instead of tarik XD - tarvitz (emps children) escaped on the eisenstein! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219120-if-loken-came-back-as-a-dreadnought/#findComment-2613272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashe Darke Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Torgaddon was beheaded but we've had no 'and then he died' type line for Tarvitz. Hell GiF left Loken in a more desperate situation than Tarvitz and Loken isn't even dead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219120-if-loken-came-back-as-a-dreadnought/#findComment-2613275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz1858 Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 I to have started rereading the HH novels and just finished Galaxy in Flames. My first thought as soon as I had finished was "What happened to Ancient Rylanor?". He does not join in the fight between the Loyalists and the Traitors so i can only assume he is still there somewehere. I would say Rylanor and possibly Loken will be the only surivors. Rylanor locates Loken and digs him out (how, i dont know but then i dont write the books!!) together they find the site of Tarvitz and the loyalists last stand, would be a good emotional style moment finding the bodies of Tarvitz, Vipus and the like As to how they get off the planet....could be a damaged thunderhawk they repair....or maybe some kind of broadcast from Rylanor's dreadnought vox etc. I think it would be a good story. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219120-if-loken-came-back-as-a-dreadnought/#findComment-2613281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenwonder Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 I to have started rereading the HH novels and just finished Galaxy in Flames. My first thought as soon as I had finished was "What happened to Ancient Rylanor?". He does not join in the fight between the Loyalists and the Traitors so i can only assume he is still there somewehere. I would say Rylanor and possibly Loken will be the only surivors. Rylanor locates Loken and digs him out (how, i dont know but then i dont write the books!!) together they find the site of Tarvitz and the loyalists last stand, would be a good emotional style moment finding the bodies of Tarvitz, Vipus and the like As to how they get off the planet....could be a damaged thunderhawk they repair....or maybe some kind of broadcast from Rylanor's dreadnought vox etc. I think it would be a good story. It's been a while so my memory could be hazy but as I recall - Ancient Rylanor has small breaches in his armour which alowed the Virus' contained in the bombs to kill him. I must admit though, as much as I would like to see Loken come back, I think it would diminish him and his sacrifice somewhat. I like the idea that he fought and died, sacrificing himself for his beliefs. Still, we'll see what happens. Take it with a bucket of salt but I heard a rumour a while back that the ending and Lokens fate was intended to be more ambiguous than Counter wrote it. Perhaps plans have changed as a result or the rumour was exactly and had no kernal of truth at all. Either way, it'll be interesting reading I'm sure. ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219120-if-loken-came-back-as-a-dreadnought/#findComment-2613367 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legio Draconis Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 It was the Deathguard dreadnought that had the breaches in his armour and went bang when the virus bombs fell. Raylanor was mentioned to be guarding something in the catacombs under the city, I don't know if he is dead or not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219120-if-loken-came-back-as-a-dreadnought/#findComment-2613373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashe Darke Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Dan Abnett said ages ago that Loken isn't dead, there's no rumour about it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219120-if-loken-came-back-as-a-dreadnought/#findComment-2613399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wise_crak Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 i edited my previous post as i had names wrong! what i reckon will happen is: the guys who escaped on the eisenstein! and got back to terra became the inquesition and will/did head back towards ivvasstan found loken and tariks head sealed in a drop pod (air tight can rot) brough them both back stuck them in a dread! :) gave varren (world eater who beaten by his brothers and had his face ripped off) was given a new face (robotics!) which leaves a kick ass kill team of world eater varren, death guard garro, emps children tarvitz, dreadnoughts loken and tarik all lead by Luna Wolf Qruze!!!! Wisey ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219120-if-loken-came-back-as-a-dreadnought/#findComment-2613403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 MASSIVE EDIT: wrote tarvitz instead of tarik XD - tarvitz (emps children) escaped on the eisenstein! No Saul Tarvitz didn't; he flew a Thunderhawk, down to the surface of the planet, that the Eisenstein refused to intercept. EDIT: If any of them "come back" like it "was all a bad dream" then those authors need to be punched. In the face. Hard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219120-if-loken-came-back-as-a-dreadnought/#findComment-2613406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
obs0l3te Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 I believe Garro Legion of one has your answer said by Malcador. I suspect we will see Loken and others again.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219120-if-loken-came-back-as-a-dreadnought/#findComment-2613741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Loken Will be back. I think it will be this year. Dan Abnett has said his next appearance will be chronological. That means no flash back. I think Loken is the Astartes on the cover of Garro : Legion of One. I think Tarvitz and around a hundred or so other survivors will also make it off Istvaan III. They will find some sort of ship in the underground hanger guarded by Rylanor. Garro will be involved some how. I don't think Loken will need a Dreadnought just yet. Judging by the cover of Garro : Legion of One, he is doing OK. When it is all said an done the survivors of Istavaan III and other Loyalest s of traitor Legions will form the core of the Grey Knights. I think Loken's fate will answer many of the outstanding augments on the net. The Who is the oldest Astartes? Do the Astartes grow old? Questions about the Grey Knight origins. Can Lucius be killed? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219120-if-loken-came-back-as-a-dreadnought/#findComment-2614270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANCIENT FALOR Posted January 12, 2011 Author Share Posted January 12, 2011 I just can't see loken coming back to full health after the mauling he took and the fall. At least as a dreadnought he dosent come back all fine and dandy. I just can't see loken coming back to full health after the mauling he took and the fall. At least as a dreadnought he dosent come back all fine and dandy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219120-if-loken-came-back-as-a-dreadnought/#findComment-2614362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forze Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Can Lucius be killed? If the person who killed him can shut his mouth instead of bragging how he killed lucius, he probably would B) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219120-if-loken-came-back-as-a-dreadnought/#findComment-2615340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 I second the Ancient Rylanor question. I find that to be one of the most interesting parts of the Horus Heresy and really hope they do something with it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219120-if-loken-came-back-as-a-dreadnought/#findComment-2615347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashe Darke Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Can Lucius be killed? If the person who killed him can shut his mouth instead of bragging how he killed lucius, he probably would B) Surely if you kill Lucius then kill yourself then he has nowhere to go... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219120-if-loken-came-back-as-a-dreadnought/#findComment-2615355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANCIENT FALOR Posted January 13, 2011 Author Share Posted January 13, 2011 I second the Ancient Rylanor question. I find that to be one of the most interesting parts of the Horus Heresy and really hope they do something with it. JMSwallow Posted: Jan 11 2011, 11:23 AM QUOTE ( Anient Falor @ Jan 8 2011, 05:09 AM) Fear to Tread! Next Year. Thats awesome we have a name for the Signus novel and time for it. Is it going to be two parts? I hope we get a cool dreadnought in there. Like Ancient Rylanor the dreadnought that died on isstivan. good luck on writting it. "Next year" is just my estimate, though. Don't consider it as cast in stone until the book is officially announced. I'm not planning on it being a duology, just one chunky volume. I'm not sure about Dreadnought characters in this story; maybe, we'll see. Also, what makes you think Rylanor is dead? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219120-if-loken-came-back-as-a-dreadnought/#findComment-2615393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 I think he's confused Rylanor with the Plague Marine, err...Death Guard dreadnought that died. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219120-if-loken-came-back-as-a-dreadnought/#findComment-2615406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 I second the Ancient Rylanor question. I find that to be one of the most interesting parts of the Horus Heresy and really hope they do something with it. JMSwallow Posted: Jan 11 2011, 11:23 AM QUOTE ( Anient Falor @ Jan 8 2011, 05:09 AM) Fear to Tread Also, what makes you think Rylanor is dead? 1) Many don't/ won't/ can't see how it is possible that ANY loyalest could survive the war on Istvaan III. This same general feeling, to them, holds true for Loken and the others. aka The Warmaster dropped /WAY/ to many bombs for there to be any survivors....... To others the fact that there are no survivors is some how needed. Otherwise the feeling of sacrifice is cheapened. 2) Some people get Rylanor Confused with the Death Guard Dreadnought Huron-Fal, in Fulgrim. All dreadnoughts look alike.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219120-if-loken-came-back-as-a-dreadnought/#findComment-2615607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Styphus Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 I thought Abnett was all about killing off characters that his fans like. That Ultramarines script must have really destroyed his concept of tragedy and good storytelling. If Loken gets Lysander'ed I shall be very sad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219120-if-loken-came-back-as-a-dreadnought/#findComment-2615652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 I thought Abnett was all about killing off characters that his fans like. That Ultramarines script must have really destroyed his concept of tragedy and good storytelling. If Loken gets Lysander'ed I shall be very sad. Then prepare to be sad, good sir. It's been planned for years, and publicly stated for over a year, that Loken was never supposed to be dead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219120-if-loken-came-back-as-a-dreadnought/#findComment-2615701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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