Lupercal311 Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 It's been a while so my memory could be hazy but as I recall - Ancient Rylanor has small breaches in his armour which alowed the Virus' contained in the bombs to kill him. If i Remember correctly it said he was fully sealed off and that it couldnt get through to him like it could to normal armour but i could be wrong but Loken was my favourite character and i love the sacrifice but I think he should come back Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219120-if-loken-came-back-as-a-dreadnought/page/4/#findComment-2621488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashe Darke Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Well as far as loken he already survived a virus bombing that is supposed to kill all life to the point it can it through inanimate objects to acheive its goal. then a seige of far supirior numbers and now we as readers are asked to digest him living through a pounding from another astartes and then a building being dropped on him. Its not specific bits that make me feel that way about primarchs its the Idea that theywere aware of the warp entities and followed bald faced lies and even though they were to be the leaders of men the only thing they seem to be able to do is listen to xenos ( the hated enemy), Warp spawned lies, and destroy there home planets. Opps forgot get pissed when there told to stop something do it more. Loken wasn't the only one to survive the virus bombing, loads of marines did so that bit is ignorable. Yeah the siege is a bit off but without any numbers it's hard to tell. To be honest though I've never read a BL book about a siege and not felt there was something a bit odd about the numbers. He was still alive at the end of his fight with Abaddon so the pounding can be ignored so all it comes down to is the building and the shooting of the rubble. At this point it's up to you although it's not as far fetched to think he survived as some of the things I've seen people say to defend the fact that authors fluffed up. Sounds like Legion gripe to. Not to derail this thread any more but personally I think they've all been fine once you realise that they had to do it to make it fit the fluff. If they're so perfect and smart then how would the authors show it? And having read what other people have put about Loken having to live for round 3?? That's some serious straw clutching. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219120-if-loken-came-back-as-a-dreadnought/page/4/#findComment-2621502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 At the risk of being a bit "out there" We know what happens to Lucius and we know what happens to those who are unlucky enough to kill him. Perhaps Loken goes up against him on Terra, kills Lucius and becomes the first poor bastard to be transformed into Lucius after killing the Slaanesh-protected nutter? Would make for awesome irony. Except we already know who the first one was. He's named in Lucius' Codex fluff. Unless Loken loses, their meeting would make utterly no sense. ....... I agree with Khestra. It is my idea that this rematch has not yet taken place.... in 40k. Yeh, i think Loken will live /that/ long. When Loken had his prophetic vision, from the Mournival ceremony, he saw a time 10,000 years in the future. And he could not see his own death. If i am going to grasp at straws i better make them long ones eh? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219120-if-loken-came-back-as-a-dreadnought/page/4/#findComment-2621510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brannick Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Do we know the character who first killed Lucius? Yes. Does this mean that Loken cannot be a character who can kill Lucius? No. Is Loken going to be brought back? Yes (on the grounds that Aaron and Dan are not fibbing tongue in cheek). Could Loken be brought back as a Dreadnaught? Yes, as we don't know any different. Can Loken survive the virus bombing of Istvaan III? Yes (there are numerous ways the authors can manipulate this so he survives). Could the BL authors bend any of the previous fluff to suit their goals? Yes. Does WLK have a point? Yes. Will that stop the debate continuing? No. Do I think there are a ton of better characters in the HH series compared to Loken? Yes. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219120-if-loken-came-back-as-a-dreadnought/page/4/#findComment-2621568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee265 Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Well I never said he wouldn't come back as a dreadnaught just I hope he doesn't. Loken could win a third duel and not kill Lucious, or the other way around, neither was killed in the first 2. Him coming back and not fighting Lucious would be highly amusing. Also since any story like this requires suspension of beliefe how do you not understand that for some its already started to go a bit overboard? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219120-if-loken-came-back-as-a-dreadnought/page/4/#findComment-2621750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Would also be funny if he came back as a traitor - the Chaos gods spared him at the last minute in exchange for his soul. To quote Arnie's offsider in End of Days - "it's amazing what you'll agree to when you're on fire" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219120-if-loken-came-back-as-a-dreadnought/page/4/#findComment-2622129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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