vikingwolves Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Just read on the Space Wolves blog about the coming of the new Gray Knights codex coming out in April. Gray Knights Rumors, We're gonna need more AP2 Thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219206-the-knights-in-gray/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Hallbjorn Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 I'm excited. My poor Knights have been collecting dust for a few years as i've been expanding the wolves and hoping for an update. I have quite a few Knights in both power armor and terminator armor, as well as the FW dread with the psycannon and CCW. I'm definitely looking forward to an update. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219206-the-knights-in-gray/#findComment-2614254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HsojVvad Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Not trying to be negative, but it's "Grey" not "Gray". If you read the article you will confirm it. :D. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219206-the-knights-in-gray/#findComment-2614271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 What's the purpose of this thread? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219206-the-knights-in-gray/#findComment-2614299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingwolves Posted January 12, 2011 Author Share Posted January 12, 2011 What's the purpose of this thread? My apologies for not making that clear. Still learning this whole forum thing. :) My intent was to gauge what people feel about it? Good, bad? And tactics: What with all those Army of the Month Club people, what do you feel even in this very early stage will develop for the Daemonhunters in regards to how they will be played? With some of their weaknesses being addressed, what will be their new strengths? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219206-the-knights-in-gray/#findComment-2614306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfire Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Not trying to be negative, but it's "Grey" not "Gray". If you read the article you will confirm it. -_-. They're actually two seperate chapters. However, depending on your location you may be required to use one or the other. Brits, for instance, must use the Grey Knights chapter of the Inquisition. Those players from the USA have been instructed to use the Gray Knights. I'm not sure about Aussies or Canuks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219206-the-knights-in-gray/#findComment-2614413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon950 Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Wow, I hope that not every unit is going to have power weapons. It's seems like a waste when their main foe only has inv. saves. I guess time will only tell if the grey knights are going to be the new op codex and I'll be cursing GW for releasing something so stupid. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219206-the-knights-in-gray/#findComment-2614414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphus Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 I honestly didn't think that the Grey Knights had enough substance to warrant an independent Codex. What'll the happen to the other Daemon Hunters? They're actually two seperate chapters. What? :huh: I'm not sure about Aussies For the record, we use Grey ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219206-the-knights-in-gray/#findComment-2614428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfire Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 They're actually two seperate chapters. What? :huh: A joke. Sorry for the confusion. I honestly didn't think that the Grey Knights had enough substance to warrant an independent Codex. What'll the happen to the other Daemon Hunters? I'm sure the GK 'dex will actually include all manner of DH, and may even be called the DH 'dex. I just wish they'd done an Inq book, and slopped all three Ordos together. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219206-the-knights-in-gray/#findComment-2614444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphus Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 I'm sure the GK 'dex will actually include all manner of DH, and may even be called the DH 'dex. I just wish they'd done an Inq book, and slopped all three Ordos together. Me too, makes sense. It would breath more life into those forces...it would be a mammoth codex though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219206-the-knights-in-gray/#findComment-2614450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfire Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 More mammoth than C:SM? I doubt it, the Inq and Inducted units would be spread across the Ordos which would eliminate a lot of text. The DH/WH 'dexes were pretty slim, as I recall. I bet one book the size of C:SM could hold it all fairly easily. Then you wouldn't have version differences between the otherwise identical unit types. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219206-the-knights-in-gray/#findComment-2614574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athas Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 I wonder if they'll have a unit that can match Thunderwolf Cavalry in close combat. At least it probably won't be expensive to build a Grey Knights army, what with the low model count and all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219206-the-knights-in-gray/#findComment-2614581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarapham Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 The newsletter from GW specifically calls it "Codes: Grey Knights", so dont get your hopes up about a Daemonhunter codex like before even though elements of it will still be in of course. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219206-the-knights-in-gray/#findComment-2614587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnars Claw Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 I think its pretty pointless trying to hand out tactics to beat an army when they are based on rumours. Waste of a webpage until the book actually comes out if you ask me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219206-the-knights-in-gray/#findComment-2614663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Agreed. Need full details before discussing counters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219206-the-knights-in-gray/#findComment-2614675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmk17 Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Yeah, the blog article discusses ideas from the rumor mill. NONE of which is confirmed and some of which is contradictory. Don't worry until the black box arrives at your LGS. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219206-the-knights-in-gray/#findComment-2614679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 I just wish they'd done an Inq book, and slopped all three Ordos together. That'd be a poor marketing choice - buying three books instead of getting all goodies in one volume is always better for the company :). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219206-the-knights-in-gray/#findComment-2614702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wysten Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Wow, I hope that not every unit is going to have power weapons. It's seems like a waste when their main foe only has inv. saves. I guess time will only tell if the grey knights are going to be the new op codex and I'll be cursing GW for releasing something so stupid. Don't be rash, for what they get in eliteness they lack in numbers. All 5th edition codexes have been balienced in terms of competativeness. Remember Wolf Guard? Expect that simlar level of numbers in a pure, Grey Knight Army. Tough, but feels every loss. Don't think of them as tactical marines or even Grey Hunters with a facelift, they are an army of wolf guard and will probably cost as such. Perhaps a little more cost efficently then our wolfguard, but they don't have much access to melta hence find it hard to deal with mech in general. Remember, every 5th edition codex has been really well designed from a rules perspective if not a fluff perspective. Every codex of this edition has been a good codex. We just need to have faith. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219206-the-knights-in-gray/#findComment-2615232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 I'm excited. My poor Knights have been collecting dust for a few years as i've been expanding the wolves and hoping for an update. I have quite a few Knights in both power armor and terminator armor, as well as the FW dread with the psycannon and CCW. I'm definitely looking forward to an update. I've got 40 Grey Knights in Power Armour, 12 Grey Knights in Terminator Armour, and 2 Forgeworld Grey Knights Dreadnoughts (all painted), so yeah, I'm pretty excited about the Codex: Grey Knights coming out in 3 months. Remember, every 5th edition codex has been really well designed from a rules perspective if not a fluff perspective. Every codex of this edition has been a good codex. We just need to have faith. Thankfully, this is true. Even if I don't think any are perfect, so far all of the 5th Edition codices have been well-balanced, and have genuinely been "good". I'm looking forward to the upcoming update to one of my favorite armies. I do agree, however, that it is a little early to start worrying about SW vs. GK tactics, when we don't know anything about them yet. Wait until the release, and we'll all figure it out then. Of course, I'll be trying to figure out how to create a new Knights list that can handle my Ragnar Blackmane list, without getting their butts kicked all the way to Titan. Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219206-the-knights-in-gray/#findComment-2615411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myxx Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 I really hope that they keep some of the unique Inquisition aspects, not just make them C:SM painted grey... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219206-the-knights-in-gray/#findComment-2615483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfire Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 I just wish they'd done an Inq book, and slopped all three Ordos together. That'd be a poor marketing choice - buying three books instead of getting all goodies in one volume is always better for the company :ermm:. 1) I wasn't talking about what makes them the most money, I'm talking about what I would have liked. 2) I'm not certain you're correct. GW makes very little money on the codexes, they make far more models. Putting three armies in one book might make people who get the book for one army more likely to purchase one of the others. Especially if some of the models could be used for both. 3) Even if selling three books would make more profit than one book, that assumes that everyone would purchase all three books. In my experiance, only really hardcore 40k addicts purchase every codex. Most people just buy one or two that they're interested in. Putting all three Ordos in one book and charging a little more for it might get them more money than three seperate books that only a small percentage of players spend money buy them all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219206-the-knights-in-gray/#findComment-2615553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wysten Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 I'm excited. My poor Knights have been collecting dust for a few years as i've been expanding the wolves and hoping for an update. I have quite a few Knights in both power armor and terminator armor, as well as the FW dread with the psycannon and CCW. I'm definitely looking forward to an update. All metal? Wow, that must of taken some doing, looks like the fruits of your hard labour is about to pull off. I've got 40 Grey Knights in Power Armour, 12 Grey Knights in Terminator Armour, and 2 Forgeworld Grey Knights Dreadnoughts (all painted), so yeah, I'm pretty excited about the Codex: Grey Knights coming out in 3 months. Remember, every 5th edition codex has been really well designed from a rules perspective if not a fluff perspective. Every codex of this edition has been a good codex. We just need to have faith. Thankfully, this is true. Even if I don't think any are perfect, so far all of the 5th Edition codices have been well-balanced, and have genuinely been "good". I'm looking forward to the upcoming update to one of my favorite armies. I do agree, however, that it is a little early to start worrying about SW vs. GK tactics, when we don't know anything about them yet. Wait until the release, and we'll all figure it out then. Of course, I'll be trying to figure out how to create a new Knights list that can handle my Ragnar Blackmane list, without getting their butts kicked all the way to Titan. Valerian Aye, admitively, some armies are easier to get a grip on then others. Space Wolf and Imperial Guard reliability does make them look better, but far as I am concerned once mastered, the codexes are all good. Just depends what exactly Grey Knights can offer that Hammernators/Wolf Guard cannot. I know there are inquistors in it though and in the previous edition it had stormtroopers, I imagine they + assissins will return. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219206-the-knights-in-gray/#findComment-2615740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Nostromo Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 I echo the thoughts above about counter-tactics being difficult to discuss as this stage, but can't pretend I won't be paying attention from both sides of the the fence as my second army is 3k of Grey Knights. Im a happy bunny ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219206-the-knights-in-gray/#findComment-2615764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 If they remain something like their present incarnation, they'll be a vicious anti infantry army that combines massive medium strength ranged offence and good melee ability but suffer from low numbers and a shortage of light armour. Our tactics will revolve around driving past them in Rhinos and double tapping twin plasma guns into them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219206-the-knights-in-gray/#findComment-2616887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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