Payce Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 I'm looking to model a small list off of Codex Blood Angels, and I'm a bit kerfuffled by the wording on the Lightning Claw upgrades; In most cases, it states that you can upgrade your "bolt pistol and/or chainsword" to a Lightning Claw at Y points. In the Troops Assault Squad entry, however, it states "bolt pistol/chainsword" to a Lightning Claw at Z points. There are several ways of reading this, and the way I WISH to read it is that I can upgrade twice - once for each item - 2xY in the case of "and/or". The wording on RAS units, however, is more sketchy; would paying 2xZ points allow me a RAS Sergeant with a pair of Claws? I'm not interested in effectivity values or such, I just really need to get a solid answer on this one, as I plan a specific unit dependent on the outcome. Anyone know anything for tourney lists/FAQs/erratas etc. that I've missed? Thanks in advance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219279-quick-question-on-lightnings-claws/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malatox Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 As a Sergeant could hypothetically swap his chainsword and bolt-pistol for a Powerfist and an Infernus Pistol... Yes you can, it's completely allowed as long as you pay the points for each lightning claw :) Malatox Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219279-quick-question-on-lightnings-claws/#findComment-2615234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Payce Posted January 12, 2011 Author Share Posted January 12, 2011 Oh, good! Perfect, thank you for a fast reply :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219279-quick-question-on-lightnings-claws/#findComment-2615239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malatox Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 No problem :) Malatox Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219279-quick-question-on-lightnings-claws/#findComment-2615243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Swap the bolt pistol for one claw, the chainsword for the other. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219279-quick-question-on-lightnings-claws/#findComment-2616231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Payce Posted January 28, 2011 Author Share Posted January 28, 2011 Threadomancy; no need to start a new thread for nub question number two ^^ Regarding Blood Talons on a Furioso; while the unit entry allows me to only upgrade "Both Blood Fists with a pair of Blood Talons", and I can only upgrade "One Blood Fist with a Frag Cannon" (page 85), the wargear entry for Blood Talons specifically notes that there are different rules for wielding one and two Blood Talons. My question is then: Is this rule entirely a balancing issue to make Weapon Destroyed results hit harder on rampaging DC Dreads, or is it in any way possible to upgrade a single Blood Fist, to have a setup of Frag Cannon/Blood Talon (through an errata, FAQ or whatever that I've not been able to dig up)? While I'm fairly certain the first is the case, any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks in advance! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219279-quick-question-on-lightnings-claws/#findComment-2637461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 You can upgrade both Blood Fists to Blood Talons. Or you can upgrade one Blood Fist to a Frag Cannon. You cannot do both. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219279-quick-question-on-lightnings-claws/#findComment-2637462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 If you exchange both Blood Fists for Blood Talons, you no longer have a Blood Fist to exchange for a Frag Cannon. If you exchange one Blood Fist for a Frag Cannon, you no longer have both Blood Fists to exchange for Blood Talons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219279-quick-question-on-lightnings-claws/#findComment-2637470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anarchyman99 Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 If you exchange both Blood Fists for Blood Talons, you no longer have a Blood Fist to exchange for a Frag Cannon. If you exchange one Blood Fist for a Frag Cannon, you no longer have both Blood Fists to exchange for Blood Talons. Very well said, I was hoping someone could put the logic into words that convey the meaning. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219279-quick-question-on-lightnings-claws/#findComment-2637561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 It wouldn't make much sense to have one Blood Talon anyway. Two STR 6(10) attacks at I4 are better than two STR 6 attacks at I4 probably even with the reroll. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219279-quick-question-on-lightnings-claws/#findComment-2637735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 If a DC dread loses a blood talon through WD result, then you no longer the get crazy additional attacks, as that rule is only for a pair of blood talons. The single talon still counts as a claw, and thus gets the reroll to wound at S6. There is also no way to upgrade to a single talon and frag. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219279-quick-question-on-lightnings-claws/#findComment-2638517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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