reaver13 Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Hey guys! Never posted down here in the Ordos Inquisition before, mainly because my initial DH army just sits about on shelves collecting dust. I spend all my days filling out the ranks of my BT army. With that said, and the new GK codex due out in a few months, does anyone think it will be possible to avoid being seen as a band-wagon guy when I plop down my new GK army on the table? Part of me doesn't care since DH was my very first 40k army, but the other part of me doesn't want to be viewed as a power gaming warmonger who picks up the newest codex and slaughters other player with unmatched cheese. Thoughts, opinions? Many thanks from a concerned, yet soon-to-be reinvigorated GK player! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219381-how-to-avoid-band-wagoning/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Thane Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 You have the army, use it. It was time that we GK players got some attention. And it is well-deserved. No reason to feel guilty over it or to be bothered by the badmouthing of others. Play, have fun, relish your moment in the spotlight or more precisely your faction's moment in the spotlight. Knowing GW our codex will be left in the dark for years to come afterwards :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219381-how-to-avoid-band-wagoning/#findComment-2616364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSpike Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 One way would be to let people know, now, how much you like your existing DH army. Then when the new Codex appears, you can pick it up and say "At last! My Battle-Brothers have been waiting for this!", rather than "Oooh, shiny new! Wonder what it's like?" If you can have a few games with the older 'dex, all the better. Just to show people you have had the models/rules for ages, and aren't just Codex-hopping. Show off your older, metal models. Talk about the fluff: "What do you think they'll do with Daemon Hosts?", "Will Inquisitor <insertname> be in it?", "How will they represent <old rules>?" Waiting until the Codex is out, and then going, "Oh, I've played DH for ages! I used to play from the .pdf!" doesn't look as good ;) Not that you should care what others think, really. You know you're a Daemon hunter. Anyone questions you, deal out the Emperor's Wrath! :( Especially if you play BT, too! Now if you had new SW and BA armies, then it might look a bit band-wagon-like, but DH and BT? Just play! :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219381-how-to-avoid-band-wagoning/#findComment-2616366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
number6 Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 This is supposed to be a fun hobby. Band-wagoning is to be strongly encouraged! Who cares what anybody thinks. If the new GK codex hits your fun bone, go with it. People who belittle someone for "jumping onto the new codex bandwagon" are small-minded people. And from a wider perspective, people who might complain about "bandwagoning" gamers should remember that if they want to enjoy the game -- and the codex -- themselves, then it needs to be a success. Every person who buys into the new GK codex will help convince GW to keep the army healthy, wealthy, and wise. Let us not forget the hinterlands to which we have long been banished, people! :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219381-how-to-avoid-band-wagoning/#findComment-2616415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Fox Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 ... and if all that fails you can always bean them over the head with a bag of pewter Terminators... :lol: I'm actually in much the same boat... I finally get enough pieces to have my second Inquisition army, the Daemon Hunters, and as I'm about to get in my first couple of games with them, we get official confirmation of the new Codex. So I just plan on playing several games between now and then, paint up my pewters as best I can, then spend whatever birthday money I get (since my Birthday is April 10th anyway) on shiney new toys and go for it :P That and carry the old Daemon Hunters codex with you along with the new one just in case :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219381-how-to-avoid-band-wagoning/#findComment-2616416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 This is supposed to be a fun hobby. Band-wagoning is to be strongly encouraged! Who cares what anybody thinks. If the new GK codex hits your fun bone, go with it. People who belittle someone for "jumping onto the new codex bandwagon" are small-minded people. And from a wider perspective, people who might complain about "bandwagoning" gamers should remember that if they want to enjoy the game -- and the codex -- themselves, then it needs to be a success. Every person who buys into the new GK codex will help convince GW to keep the army healthy, wealthy, and wise. Let us not forget the hinterlands to which we have long been banished, people! This. Nuff said. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219381-how-to-avoid-band-wagoning/#findComment-2616448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Orlock Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Band wagoning should neither be encouraged nor discouraged, mearly accepted as a fact of the hobby. Ultimately people should play the forces they enjoy and if they so enjoy building a new one every few months then so be it. I find I would have neither the time nor the budget to 'chase the dragon' like that so I wind up collecting mostly independantly of the rules flux but it does inform some selections I make. To be seen as a non-bandwagoner, perhaps show up with more and more lavishly modeled forces than anyone who purchased them on the release date could possibly achieve. I did this with Guard and Forgeworld Valks. Then I lamented the invalidation of my sergeants and mothballed it 'til I can model up some wysiwyg ones. Currently that's slated after I finish my current Xeno armoured formation, build the last Xeno army, and build my third board appropriate force. So, we're currently aiming for January 2012 when I start in on some other miscellanious projects. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219381-how-to-avoid-band-wagoning/#findComment-2616474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredegar Kadere Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Since you do not actively play your Daemonhunters you will be a bandwagon member of the Grey Knights when the new codex comes out. You will only be plopping down that new old army because they got a new codex to make them competitive in the 5th Edition environment. The only way to solve that problem is to dust off that unused army now and start to get some games in with them. Knowing the ancient histories, special handshake, and secret word will avail you little when the time comes unless you get out there and play with them now, before the new codex is released. Eddie does have a valid point about making sure your current Daemonhunters army is the best looking army to grace the tables of your FLGS if you decide to hold off on playing with your Grey Knights until the new codex comes out. People won't have room to talk if on release date you walk in, buy the Grey Knight codex, figure out a FOC, and then plop down a fully assembled/customized/painted force on day one. You will still be on the bandwagon though. :P Nothing wrong with being a bandwagon player.. I'd say the thing that would be shameful is to be that player that pulls out the most completely broken/cheesiest units/combos and hops from codex to codex only doing that with the sole goal of making the game unfun for the opponent in the name of winning. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219381-how-to-avoid-band-wagoning/#findComment-2616591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oiad Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Still, should we sign you up just for a four-month membership contract for now - up until the next WH40K codex release. Gives you a decent amount of time for a test drive. :P Besides, bandwagoning is one of major elements that keeps GW going. A good thing if you like WH40K. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219381-how-to-avoid-band-wagoning/#findComment-2616593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Sasha Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 If I could afford it, I would buy a new army with each new codex release. Why? Because I love being part of a living, evolving game! I want to support the game, the community, even the heaving behemoth that is GW! Instead, I just buy each new codex, my vanilla marines have dabbled at counts-as Wolves and Angels, my relatively new Tyranids have had a boost, and my Necrons slumber in their foam tombs awaiting their opportunity! If you have even One Squad of old Grey Knights, you can not be accused of bandwagonning, and you should dust them off with pride! The logical end to the suggestion that everyone should avoid bandwagonning is that we all put blinkers on and walk past the 'New Releases' rack in April. Then see how GW sales are affected! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219381-how-to-avoid-band-wagoning/#findComment-2616664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Heretic Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Hey guys! Never posted down here in the Ordos Inquisition before, mainly because my initial DH army just sits about on shelves collecting dust. I spend all my days filling out the ranks of my BT army. With that said, and the new GK codex due out in a few months, does anyone think it will be possible to avoid being seen as a band-wagon guy when I plop down my new GK army on the table? Part of me doesn't care since DH was my very first 40k army, but the other part of me doesn't want to be viewed as a power gaming warmonger who picks up the newest codex and slaughters other player with unmatched cheese. Thoughts, opinions? Many thanks from a concerned, yet soon-to-be reinvigorated GK player! Well, you are bandwagoning.. You've shelved your old DH army, cause it isn't good enough, and now you want to start it up again, cause new rules are coming. But since you want to be discreet about, then just don't buy any new models till the next codex comes out and the GK lose out on the powercreep scale :blush: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219381-how-to-avoid-band-wagoning/#findComment-2616712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 My opinion on the "bandwagoning" thing: I feel that the spite associated with the people called things like "Codex of the Month Club" or "Jumping on the Bandwagon" is incorrect. I make it a point to collect around 750 to 1000 points when a new army comes out and see what I can do with it. I do this to familiarize with each codex, both to make sure I can counter it better, and to give my opponent a better game by not having him(her) look up rules or tell me what their units do. Considering the second point, I'd say that the "bandwagoneers" actually add to the general 40k game. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219381-how-to-avoid-band-wagoning/#findComment-2616715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister Rosette Soulknyt Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Ok easy solutions, if they accuse you of such, just show them your older models, if that doesn't work, tell to walk outside and ay i think i saw a $100 note in the middle of the highway. Dont be worried by others, i bet you will find the one's who say you did, probably have done it too. Forget them, dont get bogged down by spite, its supposed to be fun, so enjoy it and buy lots of miniatures to stomp the daylights of people who accuse you of bandwaging. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219381-how-to-avoid-band-wagoning/#findComment-2616781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealAxel Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 I went through the same problem with my Guard in 2009, though they were never shelved. Those that know you and your army won't accuse you of bandwagoneering (not that there is really anything wrong with it, as others have said). So - get out and play with your minis! For the truly doubting, having fully painted and based armies complete with long out-of-production minis (metal Cadians still form my various Command Squads) ready to go on the day helps. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219381-how-to-avoid-band-wagoning/#findComment-2616787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Reaper Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 I can't wait to run my army with the new rules. I might get some plastic PAGKs to fill out the ranks, but my Terminators will not be replaced. Unless I get a squad and use it two boost my GM retinue. I mainly want the new codex!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219381-how-to-avoid-band-wagoning/#findComment-2616847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 I have just the solution for you. First, you just send me a couple thousand dollars; in return, I'll send you a fully painted, all metal, 3,000+ point pure Grey Knights army. Start playing with those models with the current codex as soon as you recieve them in the mail, and then just update your army list when the 5th Edition Codex is released in April. When others see your fully painted old-school army (with magnetic display board), there will be no way that they'll confuse you with a good-for-nothing band-wagoner. I'll then take the money that you have sent me to buy a few of each of the new plastic kits. I'll start from scratch with getting them all assembled, based, and painted. I'll even build a new display board for them. Then, when I finally finish my brand new pure Grey Knights army, I'll carry them over to the LGS, and I'll get accused of being the band-wagoner instead of you! I am willing to sacrifice myself to that shame, so that you won't have to. What a perfect plan. Just let me know when you're ready to implement it. Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219381-how-to-avoid-band-wagoning/#findComment-2616886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redbaron997 Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 I dont mind it, THIS IS OUR TIME!. Like others have said, enjoy it while you can before we are once again banished to the cold and dark. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219381-how-to-avoid-band-wagoning/#findComment-2616889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmouredWing Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 I dont mind it, THIS IS OUR TIME!. Like others have said, enjoy it while you can before we are once again banished to the cold and dark. Exactly, enjoy your time basking in the emperors glory because it'll be over all too quickly! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219381-how-to-avoid-band-wagoning/#findComment-2617038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Owning an Army with an old Codex and choosing to play when a New version comes out is not jumping on the bandwagon - it's common sense; you might dearly love Grey Knights, but you also want to have fun right? Which can be harder with an underpowered/older Codex. "Jumping On The Bandwagon" is being misrepresented in this thread, I hasten to add. If, when a new Codex comes out, you decide to buy it and collect an army for it then that is fairly hardcore but bandwagoning is when someone buys a Codex and army, then gets rid of it for the next new release because that new release is Shiny NewTM Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219381-how-to-avoid-band-wagoning/#findComment-2617051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 This is 40k (in particular, the internet) - people are going to be up in arms over something whatever you do. Surely you have bigger things to worry about in life than if someone takes offence to when you decide to buy some models? :( Go forth and rediscover your GKs, and if someone moans ignore them :) I don't care why someone collects, anyone supporting the =][= armies is a good thing - the more sold the more likely GW is to show us some love in the future :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219381-how-to-avoid-band-wagoning/#findComment-2617055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malus Trux Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 ... and if all that fails you can always bean them over the head with a bag of pewter Terminators... :D By the throne, NO! You'll NEVER get those NFWs bent back the same way. As for band wagoning, I'm with everyone who said its our turn. If your old army is getting an update then rejoice to the tune of 900 psybolts per minute. Anyone says anything, point out you had to deal with codex creep for however long & you didn't sell off your old DH models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219381-how-to-avoid-band-wagoning/#findComment-2617112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Validar Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 I always loved the Inquisition, especially Malleus. I started playing only a year ago and went with space marines (ofcourse!) and have collected quite a force, gotten quite a bit pained and think it looks great overall... But in the meantime I've been collecting the Inquisition minis. I have tons of GK terminators, GKs and Inquisitor + insane retinue laying about - mostly unpainted! I wanted to be good the day I started to paint the coolest minis in GW, so it is soon about time. I havn't played them much at all. Only as allies to my Blood Ravens, in fact. This is because I think the codex lacks serious diversity, which makes it less fun to play, and requires tons of skills to play well, which I simply don't have. I've always loved the fluff and the minis and now with a new codex I'll play them aswell. People can call me a creeper if they want, but I havn't hid my fascination of the Knights in spite of the fact that I havn't really played them. I've followed all the rumours enthistiasticly and collected the minis, and no matter how the GK codex will come out I will play it. Period. And I'm not doing it to win games - I'll use whatever I think is cool, just like I did with my marines. I've got Legion of the Damned and Vanguards, even :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219381-how-to-avoid-band-wagoning/#findComment-2617166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wysten Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Inbeforenocodexcreepall5thcodexesareequal *Sighs* XD To be honest, if you already have the figures or express a desire to play them, go for it. New codexes are always fun to play and few are more elite then the Demon hunters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219381-how-to-avoid-band-wagoning/#findComment-2617189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
number6 Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Since you do not actively play your Daemonhunters you will be a bandwagon member of the Grey Knights when the new codex comes out. You will only be plopping down that new old army because they got a new codex to make them competitive in the 5th Edition environment. The only way to solve that problem is to dust off that unused army now and start to get some games in with them. Knowing the ancient histories, special handshake, and secret word will avail you little when the time comes unless you get out there and play with them now, before the new codex is released. Eddie does have a valid point about making sure your current Daemonhunters army is the best looking army to grace the tables of your FLGS if you decide to hold off on playing with your Grey Knights until the new codex comes out. People won't have room to talk if on release date you walk in, buy the Grey Knight codex, figure out a FOC, and then plop down a fully assembled/customized/painted force on day one. You will still be on the bandwagon though. B) Nothing wrong with being a bandwagon player.. I'd say the thing that would be shameful is to be that player that pulls out the most completely broken/cheesiest units/combos and hops from codex to codex only doing that with the sole goal of making the game unfun for the opponent in the name of winning. There are so many ridiculous old chestnut assumptions in here I don't know where to begin. But I think the one that really stands out is your assumption that playing by the rules GW provides can ever be "broken", "cheesy" and "unfun". "Fun" is in the attitude, not the army list. You can be hardcore competitive and a joy to game against. You can also be a snotty fluff bunny that accuses other people of not following the fluff of the army in favor of "beardy" army lists and "ruining" the game for you purists who know better. All you should care about is the attitude of the gamer across the table from you. What might seem "broken" or "cheesy" to you might be 100% "fluffy" to them. And you are in no position to judge. The game is for all of us. All of us. Don't define what is or is not "fun" for people other than yourself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219381-how-to-avoid-band-wagoning/#findComment-2617508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
old git Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 I fully intend to lovingly embrace the GK bandwagon before leaping all over it, I don't care what people think. It's my hobby as well as everyone elses, they've probably bandwagoned themselves over one army or another. Besides, if you're introducing a new army into your gaming group it can only benefit everyone, variety etc etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219381-how-to-avoid-band-wagoning/#findComment-2617557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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