New FAQs on the GW website

[JamesI]

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_Custom...Version_1_1.pdf

 

It is no longer legal to combat squad a unit held in reserve.

[JamesI]

Also, if a unit with ATSKNF rallies, it gets to make the 3 inch rally movement and then make its normal movement!

 

You can not use POTMS to fire a gun after popping smoke, but can if you moved flat out.

[ancient god]

Well that's good news all in all. :) I was waiting on the clarification for PotMS and Flat Out and hoping it'd come before the SR hits the shelves.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Glad to see they addressed the questions regarding PotMS.

 

G :)

[Judaz]

Bu that combat squading in reserve was kinda weird. The codex says that a unit can combat squad when it steps out of an drop pod. ...ok got it while I was writing this... They can't be listed as combat squadded while not on the board. Ok.

 

But that got me thinking of the vanguard. How do we do there? First declare HI, then DS, and then combat squad and after that assault in 2 directions?

[JamesI]

With this new FAQ, I don't think Vanguard held in reserve can combat squad. Combat squadding units must be deployed at the start or in a drop pod.

[captain Mungo]

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_Custom...Version_1_1.pdf

 

It is no longer legal to combat squad a unit held in reserve.

Its good to see GW give clear answers to real issues.

 

But this in particular saddens me to hear since it takes away so much flexibility. It effectively removes combat squads for armies that deepstrike or outflank. Feels like GW just couldn't be bothered with defining exactly when combatsquading takes place. Would have preferred to combat squad before placing in reserves to keep armylist flexibility and only loose out on element of surprise.

 

But it is what it is, at least now we know how its to be done.

[ancient god]

Wow, yeah that wording is kind of restrictive.

 

Q: Can you take a Drop Pod with a 10-man squad and

then put a combat squad in it, deploying the other combat

squad on the table, or leave it in reserve but not in the

Drop Pod? (p32)

A: No, because squads that are placed in reserve may not

break down into combat squads.

 

Doesn't leave much room for interpretation.

 

So, no combat squadded deep striking or flanking or anything really, except from podding? Weird that podding should allow Combat Squads but all the other deployment methods forbid it now.

 

Edit: Mungo beat me to it.

[Judaz]

Again this might be a bad wording in a FAQ.

 

When you use reserves they 'deploy' when they arrive. The rules for combat squadding says that you combat squad them when they are 'deployed'.

 

I think the FAQ handles the fact that the squad is one when held in reserve and only becomes a combat squad when it is deployed. If you are to drop pod a squad they have to be in the pod, all of them.

 

You should still be able to DS a RAS in 2 different locations since you combat squd them when you deploy the unit.

[bystrom]

The ATSKNF and rally I've always played with, but no combat squadding from reserve? I missed that reading this through. Only when you've pointed it out did I see it. I can understand the No for the drop podding, but the reasoning being that you can't combat squad from reserve? That was unexpected. And sad. So in missions where you are forced to not deploy certain units, these units won't be given the chance to combat squad.

[4RC71C FOXX]

I agree with Judaz on the Combat Squading. As said you choose to combat squad a unit (or not) when it deploys (I.e. is placed on the table), so I would take that as meaning you hold a unit in reserve, roll a single reserve roll for the full 10 man unit, then when you deploy it you can choose to put it down as a full 10 man unit, or 2 5 man units (with ICs attached as chosen) . I think the "no combat squading while in reserve just means you cannot split a squad before it comes into play, so you would have to bring the whole unit in at the same time.

 

FOXX

[captain Mungo]

A: No, because squads that are placed in reserve may not

break down into combat squads.

Leaves little room for any interpretation, sadly. No matter when a reserved unit is actually deployed it has still been placed in reserve and, according to this FAQ answer, can therefor not combat squad.

[WarpWhisper]

Again this might be a bad wording in a FAQ.

 

When you use reserves they 'deploy' when they arrive. The rules for combat squadding says that you combat squad them when they are 'deployed'.

 

I think the FAQ handles the fact that the squad is one when held in reserve and only becomes a combat squad when it is deployed. If you are to drop pod a squad they have to be in the pod, all of them.

 

You should still be able to DS a RAS in 2 different locations since you combat squd them when you deploy the unit.

 

Is it linked to how they're held in reserves? So for example, "My RAS is in reserve, and will be deep striking" can allow for combat squadding ,as both sections can still deep strike whilst deploying.

 

However, "My Tactical Squad are in their Rhino" means all 10 have to deploy inside the Rhino, so can't allow for 5 men in the Rhino and 5 without. Although alternatively, presumably, you could still combat squad if you said that your "Tactical Squad were held in reserve, but not inside the actual Rhino."

[Morticon]

One or two bummers for us- but I am SOOO happy for our BT and DA brethren !!!!

[captain Mungo]

Oh, all marines and the rulebook was FAQed. Awesome. Not to be negative about it but about :P time for DA and BT :D

[WarpWalker]

I got a totally different feel from reading the faq then most who have posted on this tread.

 

This faq said nothing about not being able to combat squad a deepstriking 10 man assault squad when it hits the ground.

 

Stop pulling sentences out of context. There are already enough young players who find the rules confusing. If GW thought we were wrong in the way we use DOA and combat squaring after deployment they would have address it. Not some hokey drop pod question that already seemed clear to me.

[Kaane Feiwong]

I read it like this: Squads cannot split into combat squads until deployed. You cannot split a squad while in reserve. (This squad is in transit) Once a squad is placed on the table, it’s no longer in reserve and you can then split into combat squads.

[Kurb]

One or two bummers for us- but I am SOOO happy for our BT and DA brethren !!!!

 

 

Buddy at my LGS asked me to bring him the FAQ's.

I think my text that they were out made his day :) :P

[captain Mungo]

I read it like this: Squads cannot split into combat squads until deployed. You cannot split a squad while in reserve. (This squad is in transit) Once a squad is placed on the table, it’s no longer in reserve and you can then split into combat squads.

That's probably a better solution. But that's just my opinion, and definitely a pregame argument that I believe I'd mostly lose. I'd love to be wrong though.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

I got a totally different feel from reading the faq then most who have posted on this tread.

 

This faq said nothing about not being able to combat squad a deepstriking 10 man assault squad when it hits the ground.

 

Stop pulling sentences out of context. There are already enough young players who find the rules confusing. If GW thought we were wrong in the way we use DOA and combat squaring after deployment they would have address it. Not some hokey drop pod question that already seemed clear to me.

 

Deepstriking squads are held in reserve so that cant combat squad anymore.

 

G :)

[JamesI]

I got a totally different feel from reading the faq then most who have posted on this tread.

 

This faq said nothing about not being able to combat squad a deepstriking 10 man assault squad when it hits the ground.

 

Stop pulling sentences out of context. There are already enough young players who find the rules confusing. If GW thought we were wrong in the way we use DOA and combat squaring after deployment they would have address it. Not some hokey drop pod question that already seemed clear to me.

 

Deepstriking squads are held in reserve so that cant combat squad anymore.

 

G :mellow:

This is how I read it. Drop pods have a specific exception that they can combat squad when dropped. I see no such exception for anything else.

[Simpsonia]

A: No, because squads that are placed in reserve may not

break down into combat squads.

Leaves little room for any interpretation, sadly. No matter when a reserved unit is actually deployed it has still been placed in reserve and, according to this FAQ answer, can therefor not combat squad.

 

 

I don't buy that argument. Do you think that this FAQ overrides the rulebook? Because the rulebook even states that a full 10 man squad can combat squad after they step out of a drop pod. Yet according to that line of reasoning they could not since they were put into reserve in their drop pod.

 

My opinion mirrors other that this was an incredibly poorly worded answer addressing only the question of whether combat squads could split deployment, ie one deploys one way (pod) and the other deploys another (on the board), which they can't.

[Brother Weasel]

As far as I know, you combat squad them when you deploy. as it's stated it means you can't have 5 men in a razor and 5 out deploy on the taple from reserve (as you ca't split them in reserve, but a jump squad can break into a combat squad upon deployment.

 

when are we saying the unit is deployed seems to be the question that's in disagreement, is it deployed to reserves or deployed when it hits the table?

[Simpsonia]

We addressed this in the DoA tips/tricks thread. The rulebook states pretty unequivocally that deployment happens after the reserves rolls are made and happens when you place them on the table.

[WarpWhisper]

This is how I read it. Drop pods have a specific exception that they can combat squad when dropped. I see no such exception for anything else.

 

I honestly think they meant "No, because squads that are placed in reserve may not

break down into combat squads, until they are deployed"

 

But that's not what they wrote, so I suppose, by RaW, what I think is moot. :mellow: