Lord Ragnarok Posted January 18, 2011 Author Share Posted January 18, 2011 OK, BEL and IC is being done to death. I don't see any more room for new revelations on either side of the debate. The options are... 1. wait for another FAQ update. or 2. Negotiate with you local tourneys/clubs, or dice off. Please do not discuss BEL further in this thread. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219464-new-faqs-out/page/4/#findComment-2622941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 As an aside, how many people actually find this a viable tactic? I mean, it nearly doubles the points value of a Scout squad and adds (so far as I can see) limited value. Surely there are far better ways to use an IC and a Saga? I have used it this way in a 1500 pt game against Chaos Marines. Gave the saga to a Wolf Priest in Runic armor. Crushed him quite nicely between my scouts and my Rhino Rush Greyhunters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219464-new-faqs-out/page/4/#findComment-2622946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 How did you put a priest in a scout unit when using scout deployment rule is clearly a special rule that sw have and doesnt get transfered to models that dont have it ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219464-new-faqs-out/page/4/#findComment-2622987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
narf Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 due to the special rule the priest can buy......... Please read your saga's Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219464-new-faqs-out/page/4/#findComment-2623003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 How did you put a priest in a scout unit when using scout deployment rule is clearly a special rule that sw have and doesnt get transfered to models that dont have it ? You've presumably missed the last 3 pages of discussion? Saga of the Hunter allows for Outflank, Wolf Scouts use their own version of the Outflank dice roll. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219464-new-faqs-out/page/4/#findComment-2623011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted January 18, 2011 Author Share Posted January 18, 2011 Folks, missed my big font, in orange comments above? No more discussion of BEL and IC please. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219464-new-faqs-out/page/4/#findComment-2623050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Yes Boss :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219464-new-faqs-out/page/4/#findComment-2623166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Surely that was not the only thing covered in the Faq upgrade...and don't call me surely... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219464-new-faqs-out/page/4/#findComment-2623268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Surely that was not the only thing covered in the Faq upgrade...and don't call me surely... It's the only thing left open to interpretation, and thus the only thing we've been arguing about. Beyond this (minor) point, I think we're more or less covered when it comes to unclear rules now. Whether we agree with the rulings, on the other hand... :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219464-new-faqs-out/page/4/#findComment-2623290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Surely that was not the only thing covered in the Faq upgrade...and don't call me surely... It's the only thing left open to interpretation, and thus the only thing we've been arguing about. Beyond this (minor) point, I think we're more or less covered when it comes to unclear rules now. Whether we agree with the rulings, on the other hand... ;) Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour? :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219464-new-faqs-out/page/4/#findComment-2623342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Johnson the 3rd jr Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Can't we all just get along??? :D PS - What's this about Scouts and IC's now? I'm color blind and can't see orange. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219464-new-faqs-out/page/4/#findComment-2623597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillen Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 You sniviling little worm of a.... ooooh, Arguement? That's nect door. I just get mas when it's in black and white. And the fact the rule exists at all means it is ment to work with something in the amry list. And you get people who can not read, or refuse to see the linear way the rule is laid out and why it was put in the book to begin with. It's like argueing color with a blind person thou. Going tohave to finish my Arjac thou. Just to see a Blood Angel cry. lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219464-new-faqs-out/page/4/#findComment-2623743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Edited to remove BEL discussion. Thats what you get for doing a quote reply after reading only 3 pages of a 4 page thread. On a side note, it sure seems GW lurks our halls as most of the issues debated here are picked up by GW in this FAQ, in some cases almost exact verbiage being used. Hello GW :geek: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219464-new-faqs-out/page/4/#findComment-2624160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Johnson the 3rd jr Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 It's sad that after I joke about A RIDICULOUSLY HARD TO MISS MODERATOR DIRECTIVE somebody actually does miss it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219464-new-faqs-out/page/4/#findComment-2624215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfire Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Folks, seriously! Did you not see the bright orange, large font text at the top of this page that says NO MORE BEL TALK! You're asking for pain if you keep ignoring it, I'd back off if I were you. Surely that was not the only thing covered in the Faq upgrade...and don't call me surely... Have you ever seen a grown man naked? Do you like movies about gladiators? Have you ever been in a Turkish Prison? :) Someone told me just yesterday that Airplane! is getting inducted into the movie hall of fame. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219464-new-faqs-out/page/4/#findComment-2624221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Guess I picked the wrong day to stop smoking/drinking/sniffing glue...LMAO Jive assed turkey ain't got no brains anyhow....ROTF Love the way they worded that whole thing about a WGPL and the Skyclaws...Hey GW..."DUH!!! big red fire truck!!!" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219464-new-faqs-out/page/4/#findComment-2624677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natanael Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Hello GW ;) =D - Natanael Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219464-new-faqs-out/page/4/#findComment-2624691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalachiOfRuss Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 So after 2 FAQ's I think we can safely now say that WG's not being able to join Skyclaws is not an omission but an intentional restriction? I suppose it makes sense, fluff-wise. Skyclaws with an IC become really expensive, thus making it more common to field them without one (if they are fielded at all), making them the reckless charge-into-assault unit they are supposed to be. I suppose with a PF they are still a decent anti-mech, or character-killer unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219464-new-faqs-out/page/4/#findComment-2624713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted January 19, 2011 Author Share Posted January 19, 2011 So after 2 FAQ's I think we can safely now say that WG's not being able to join Skyclaws is not an omission but an intentional restriction? I suppose it makes sense, fluff-wise. Skyclaws with an IC become really expensive, thus making it more common to field them without one (if they are fielded at all), making them the reckless charge-into-assault unit they are supposed to be. I suppose with a PF they are still a decent anti-mech, or character-killer unit. I see absolutely no fluff justification. In fact, I don't see a balancing justification either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219464-new-faqs-out/page/4/#findComment-2624721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalachiOfRuss Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 I see absolutely no fluff justification. In fact, I don't see a balancing justification either. Hey, you'll get no argument from me if they decide to change it. I definitely think the rules is the pits from a balance perspective, the unit is already penalized by having WS 3 and BS 3. But I think it does make slight sense from the fluff perspective... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219464-new-faqs-out/page/4/#findComment-2624727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted January 19, 2011 Author Share Posted January 19, 2011 If you believe 3rd Ed/5th ed. fluff. 2nd edition fluff had no limitations on Jump Packs. ( I assume this is the fluff you are referencing?) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219464-new-faqs-out/page/4/#findComment-2624744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Johnson the 3rd jr Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 What do you mean "if you believe." GW makes this stuff up, it being their property and all. It's not like it is fan fiction or something. To not believe it is a bit silly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219464-new-faqs-out/page/4/#findComment-2624762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 What do you mean "if you believe." GW makes this stuff up, it being their property and all. It's not like it is fan fiction or something. To not believe it is a bit silly. Well, let's put it like this - Who ensured the Thousand Sons were destroyed? Horus? Valdor? The Emperor? The Forces of Chaos? There's a plausible explanation for any of the above. Belief is not the same as knowing, and where there are contradictions we must choose the one we believe. As for the Jump Packs issue, fluff wise it's fairly contentious. Gameplay wise, it's looking like its deliberate that Wolf Guard can't take them, but there doesn't seem to be a compelling game balance reason as HQ choices can. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219464-new-faqs-out/page/4/#findComment-2624791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Johnson the 3rd jr Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 As Ragnarok implied, the more recent fluff has Space Wolves against jump packs. There is nothing to "believe" there, it is simply what GW is saying Space Wolves are like currently. Anyone is free to ignore this themselves, and make their wolves different, but that doesn't mean it is false, or open for debate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219464-new-faqs-out/page/4/#findComment-2624945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Well, that's one way of looking at it. GW's canon policy, however, is that all published material, whether it is in White Dwarf, a Codex, the BL or printed on the back of a fag packet is canon. Even when it contradicts itself. Therefore, whilst you may choose to believe that the Wolves have a strange distaste for Jump Packs, more venerable Long Fangs might choose to interpret is as wicked disinformation. Probably spread by the Alpha Legion... Anyway, this is where we probably stop this line of discussion and just accept that Wolf Guard can't have Jump Packs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219464-new-faqs-out/page/4/#findComment-2624998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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