LardO'Blood Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Ok, so I am thinking of a bunch of cheesy things for apocalypse and I was wondering, if Eldard fortunes my Deathwing "command" squad with an apothecary, can I take saves in this order: 2+ armor save Reroll 2+ armor save from fortune Feel No Pain Reroll Feel No Pain from fortune Because, IIRC, Feel No Pain is not a reroll, but a new save. (I really want a 1/144th chance for a bolter to kill a terminator) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 No, because fortune states 'an eldar unit within 6"' as the target. Deathwing TDA is not an Eldar unit by any stretch of the imagination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LardO'Blood Posted January 16, 2011 Author Share Posted January 16, 2011 Awwww...Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 It was a good try ;). But yes, for the record- you can reroll any armor, cover, invulnerable, or feel no pain save, because all the power says is 'save'. And yes, youd reroll each of them that you were allowed to take- including FNP as far as I can see. Fuegan will be the only person to benefit from that, unless some scenario specific rule gives that rule out somehow. *Perhaps apocalypse?* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 I would say "feel no pain" is not technically a "save", even though it has the same purpose as a save. It is more like a characteristics test that would prevent the model from being harmed, like the initiative test against Jaws of the World Wolf, or the Wolf Tooth Talismans test to avert psychic powers. In the BRB section about saves, it says that a model with more than one save can only use one of them, but FnP is in addition to that save. FnP is also said to be used when a model suffers an "unsaved wound", i.e. after saves have been taken. The only official saves are armour, invulnerable and cover saves, but there are other tests that may prevent damage, and those are not technically "saves". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LardO'Blood Posted January 16, 2011 Author Share Posted January 16, 2011 It was a good try :P. But yes, for the record- you can reroll any armor, cover, invulnerable, or feel no pain save, because all the power says is 'save'. And yes, youd reroll each of them that you were allowed to take- including FNP as far as I can see. Fuegan will be the only person to benefit from that, unless some scenario specific rule gives that rule out somehow. *Perhaps apocalypse?* Good idea! I've always wanted terminators to be tougher then carnifexes. ;) Who is Fuegan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 It was a good try ;). But yes, for the record- you can reroll any armor, cover, invulnerable, or feel no pain save, because all the power says is 'save'. And yes, youd reroll each of them that you were allowed to take- including FNP as far as I can see. Fuegan will be the only person to benefit from that, unless some scenario specific rule gives that rule out somehow. *Perhaps apocalypse?* Good idea! I've always wanted terminators to be tougher then carnifexes. :D Who is Fuegan? Actually, most groups in apocalypse wouldnt allow it either.... but thats your own house rules, as usual for apocalpse. :P. Fuegan is the Phoenix Lord of the Fire Dragons, the Eldar unit entirely armed with melta-guns. For example.... WS, BW, and I 7, to give you an idea where he ranks. Legatus- yeah, looking over FNP it at no point calls it a 'save' but rather an 'ability' so even in this case I would have to agree that the Fortune reroll wouldnt come into effect. Though I have a feeling many people wouldnt bat an eye at it due to how often its called a 'feel no pain save'. Ill have to put that down on my list of no-no exploits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBMAKENZIE Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Fortune also specifies Cover, Invul and Armour saves I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LardO'Blood Posted January 16, 2011 Author Share Posted January 16, 2011 No, it says any save. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellios Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Yer yer I love to cast fortune on Eldar Super-Heavies... it makes the Imperial players rage that the Eldar super-heavies will not die! Actually I have an Ulthwé seer council so I cast fortune on everything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Wrong again. Super-heavy vehicles are never affected by psychic powers (friendly or enemy) unless it has a strength value, so Fortune never works on Eldar super-heavies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Sadly. And doom doesnt work on gargantuan creatures either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 No, it says any save. Is there even a kind of save that's not Cover, Invulnerable, or Armor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Theres occasionally been a 'dodge' save. But Im not sure any of those are still in existance since SWs and DE were updated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Theres occasionally been a 'dodge' save. Those were usually 'invulnerable' saves. Invulnerable saves can come from different sources, be it force fields, evasive manouvers, just being insanely tough, or divine protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfire Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 I believe 3e dodge saves were invulnerable saves described as deriving from fast dodging. They were still invulnerable. To my knowledge, there hasn't been a true dodge save since 2e. In any case, I don't believe FNP is counted as a save. It simply ignores wounds. If it was a save, you would run afoul of the "one type of save only" restriction. Does someone with a book handy want to look up the FNP USR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 I already did, once legatus posted, and it is in now way described as a save. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfire Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Ah, so you did. Somehow I missed it on the first read through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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