Brother_Dan'l Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 At this point I hate them. To me they are this edition's Scout Squad with naked Veteran Sergeant armies of our old Codex or the uber-heroes of 2e. What's the joy in having multiple AssCan Razorbacks with naked RAS-5s where the only time the infantry dismounts is if the Razor gets knocked out? :P Maybe I'm just a cranky old bugger who feels that infantry should be the point, not their transports. :P What do you folks think? P.S. Much of this rant brought on by playing a tournie this weekend where I got whomped by one of these armies. It was very cleverly designed for tournament play (won the whole thing actually) but there was something really boring about only seeing 5 marines and Mephiston the entire game. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219717-razorback-spam-armies/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mezkh Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Can't say they excite me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219717-razorback-spam-armies/#findComment-2621138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMouth Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 They are getting annoying, and the latest min-max freaks have been going BA because its "cheaper" and the additional move. Granted all they use are assault cannons, buuut still. Really makes the game...well boring. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219717-razorback-spam-armies/#findComment-2621143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Ignis Domus Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 I agree with TheTeeth. They make the game boring. I mean, how many of us like to play a game where the entire thing consists of around ten models moving around and annihilating stuff. In my Vanilla list, I like to use Razorbacks, yes, but as fire support for my tactical squads, not as main battle tanks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219717-razorback-spam-armies/#findComment-2621152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Weasel Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 I use razorbacks if i use smaller units or want a little extra punch in my transport... but then i don't have any with assault cannons... but i dunno, i can't say i care one way or another if someone wants to bring lots, they arn't that hard to kill, if not a little repredative, but then i'm not one to worry about what they have, i just play the game and go about my day. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219717-razorback-spam-armies/#findComment-2621163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMouth Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 My fav is playing against razorback and speeder spam, and some min-max dev squad spam too LOLOLOL and still beating the crap out of my opponent with a 2nd edition style list...10 man units of awesome!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219717-razorback-spam-armies/#findComment-2621169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Gunzhard Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 They are getting annoying, and the latest min-max freaks have been going BA because its "cheaper" and the additional move. Granted all they use are assault cannons, buuut still. Really makes the game...well boring. I totally agree... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219717-razorback-spam-armies/#findComment-2621170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranwulf Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Can't make them work. So I go Jump Packs all the way. And I WIN. Ran Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219717-razorback-spam-armies/#findComment-2621174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Weasel Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Can't make them work. So I go Jump Packs all the way. And I WIN. i just make lists and i HAVE FUN... (couldn't resist) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219717-razorback-spam-armies/#findComment-2621177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 I have no desire to play this type of army. I have a good friend who loves the army but I've managed to convince him to change it up just a bit so it's a little more excting for him now. G :pinch: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219717-razorback-spam-armies/#findComment-2621178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemisor Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Hate, hate, hate them. ;) very boring and un imaginitve. plus i have no idea what the big deal is?. i've played against them a few times (BA and SW versions) and i have beaten them pretty easily ( with BA and chaos). i just dont get how all those little units can even be effective when they can be isoltaed and killed so easy. long live the 10 man unit :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219717-razorback-spam-armies/#findComment-2621214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Immortals Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Funny you mention this, as i faced a DA (with BA dex) several times over the last few weeks, with the result being my DOA (that means his death on my arrival BTW) army consistantly massacred him, and my mech list did about teh same thanks to a large number of dreads. Having said that, i dont mind facing them, but its a pity mst of the Assback generals are :) s themselves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219717-razorback-spam-armies/#findComment-2621295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vonny Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 I understand it from a gaming and possibly even from a fluff perspective (mechanized scout company or something), but like the OP, I enjoy the game more when its about the infantry instead of the boxes they drive around in.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219717-razorback-spam-armies/#findComment-2621350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 I'm lucky in that I play in a friendly enviroment, all my opponents take armies built for fun AND effectiveness. Only problem I get is facing a mate's Ravenwing army as he is just as mobile as I am :cry: I can see how the Assault Cannon spam could be lethal against certain armies but against BA with our mobility and vast array of can openers it's a bit of a silly idea. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219717-razorback-spam-armies/#findComment-2621361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAJake Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 I run 3 assaultcannon razorbacks but the important part is the power weapons and flamer inside (typicaly sgt has a pwr weapon along with a priest) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219717-razorback-spam-armies/#findComment-2621369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 I'm not a huge fan of razorspam. Doesn't seem to fit the style of the Blood Angels, I prefer larger squads flying around. Its not the most fun army to play against, though I enjoy the different tactical challenge it presents every so often. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219717-razorback-spam-armies/#findComment-2621617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavement Artist Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Im planning on 4 razorbacks in my army. Does this make me a bad person? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219717-razorback-spam-armies/#findComment-2621681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
liberate_tutame Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 I have four ass-cannon razorbacks and three Vindicators. 12" and shoot? Yes please. I'm convinced people don't like them because they don't understand them. There are plenty of tactics and tricks I use, and have to use to win. The idea that a TL-Assault cannon = win is a fairly idiotic one, and my games are good fun. I like my mech BA, and truth be told, it's far more fluffy to my 2nd ed. mind, where the BA were about mechanised, mobile, small squads moving rapidly into position defending bridgeheads on Armageddon, then DOA armies, which don't feel fluffy to me at all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219717-razorback-spam-armies/#findComment-2621689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Before the Codex was even officially released we were discussing what new additions would be the best to take, and I highlighted the Fast moving Razorbacks with TL Assault Cannon which would only cost a pittance, alongside the new Fast Vindicators to make an incredibly effective mobile mid-ranged shooting force If I am playing a game to win it then I am obviously going to take what I perceive to be the strongest force. But on the other side, I have an all DC army as well so I play both sides of the coin. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219717-razorback-spam-armies/#findComment-2621691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavement Artist Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 I have four ass-cannon razorbacks and three Vindicators. 12" and shoot? Yes please. I'm convinced people don't like them because they don't understand them. There are plenty of tactics and tricks I use, and have to use to win. The idea that a TL-Assault cannon = win is a fairly idiotic one, and my games are good fun. I like my mech BA, and truth be told, it's far more fluffy to my 2nd ed. mind, where the BA were about mechanised, mobile, small squads moving rapidly into position defending bridgeheads on Armageddon, then DOA armies, which don't feel fluffy to me at all. Thank you! Im going mech mostly so the armies a fluffy counterpart to my mates speed freek army Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219717-razorback-spam-armies/#findComment-2621692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMouth Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 I have four ass-cannon razorbacks and three Vindicators. 12" and shoot? Yes please. I'm convinced people don't like them because they don't understand them. There are plenty of tactics and tricks I use, and have to use to win. The idea that a TL-Assault cannon = win is a fairly idiotic one, and my games are good fun. I like my mech BA, and truth be told, it's far more fluffy to my 2nd ed. mind, where the BA were about mechanised, mobile, small squads moving rapidly into position defending bridgeheads on Armageddon, then DOA armies, which don't feel fluffy to me at all. wat? I dont remember that at all from when I played in 2nd. I remember a mix of jump and mech....and oddly enough lots of tactical squads. Incidentally how i play :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219717-razorback-spam-armies/#findComment-2621798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebsolom Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 My name is Bill and I'm guilty of having three AC Razorbacks in my army to go with 2 AC Baals, 2 AC Speeders, a Crusader and a Redeemer. Does this make me a bad person? :P Seriously though, if I'm facing a min-maxed spam army then I'm going to fight fire with fire :D . The RB's can be changed to Rhinos which is my usual configuration for my 2 Tac Squads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219717-razorback-spam-armies/#findComment-2621837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassill Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Wait? People are upset that BA players are utilising fast rhino chasis? That's like Space Wolves getting upset that other SW players are using T-wolves, or BT's getting upset for having aspirants (scout like guys?) in there squads as wound soaks, or a DW player using Terminators. Doesnt make sense to me, but maybe that's just me. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219717-razorback-spam-armies/#findComment-2621844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurb Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 People should do what they enjoy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219717-razorback-spam-armies/#findComment-2621938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Wait? People are upset that BA players are utilising fast rhino chasis? That's like Space Wolves getting upset that other SW players are using T-wolves, or BT's getting upset for having aspirants (scout like guys?) in there squads as wound soaks, or a DW player using Terminators. Doesnt make sense to me, but maybe that's just me. :) Some SW players are completely disdainful of Thunderwolves in all their forms. Anywho.... Im solidly for Razorback spam. I enjoy watching my opponents armies crumple quickly and then dealing with the cleanup. Seriously- taking out 8 AV 11 vehicles? Peice of cake. Ive yet to see a razor-spam army that could stand up to solid firepower. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219717-razorback-spam-armies/#findComment-2621977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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