nightlordsrock3564 Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 If he, Talos, or Sahaal killed M'Shen would he be have been elevated to daemonhood like his brothers or killed like Alpharius?? Thoughts please Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219825-night-haunter/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 I don't think killing an Imperial Assassin would be enough to be awarded with daemonhood... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219825-night-haunter/#findComment-2622518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 If he, Talos, or Sahaal killed M'Shen would he be have been elevated to daemonhood like his brothers or killed like Alpharius?? Thoughts please You need to do something much grander to be awarded daemonhood. besides, Night Haunter flat-out didn't want to kill her; Sahaal didn't care about her, he just wanted the relic; and Talos did kill her, without getting upped to daemonhood. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219825-night-haunter/#findComment-2622569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MithrilForge Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 :tu: i think what the original poster was asking was "if night haunter wasn't killed by the imperial assassin..." would he have gone on to become like his greater deamon brothers or just ended up dying as per his original script??. that's like asking how long's a piece of string?... it could have gone any one of countless ways....! GW fluff says he died a martyr,cant really change that can we -_- p.s A-D-B. nice books :tu: and also i admit some of your trek reasoning is valid...but i still like it ;) Mithrilforge Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219825-night-haunter/#findComment-2622577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 i think what the original poster was asking was "if night haunter wasn't killed by the imperial assassin..." Ah, yes, that makes sense. Sorry for getting that wrong. Like mithrilforge says, there are a gazillion possibilities of how the events could have progressed if Night Haunter had not been killed by M'Shen. A likely progression would be that he would have been killed by a loyalist Primarch, seeing as the Night Lords were not retreating into the Eye of Terror like the other Legions. Or maybe he could have successfully evaded them, and in that case he might have gathered up enough favours with the dark gods after some time. But the entire point was that Night Haunter was not really dedicated to Chaos, he had just lost his mind. So what he aspired was not to please the dark gods, but precisely to have it end, like it did. If he had just tried to go on and become a daemon prince, it would have been "our" Night Haunter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219825-night-haunter/#findComment-2622580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 Of course Curze might have killed any Primarch who tried to murder him ;) but as fluff states, he really wanted to end his life. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219825-night-haunter/#findComment-2622961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted January 18, 2011 Share Posted January 18, 2011 You are assuming Alpharius is dead..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219825-night-haunter/#findComment-2622986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candleshoes Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 A likely progression would be that he would have been killed by a loyalist Primarch, seeing as the Night Lords were not retreating into the Eye of Terror like the other Legions. I agree with this line of thinking. If Curze theoretically had a change of heart (that being, his hatred outweighs his need for vindication, and saw his remaining Legion as a necessary evil, rather than the worst of what he fought against) and killed M'Shen, I suspect he would be brought to bear at some point by Loyalist forces in the many genocide campaigns he would no doubt have waged. Exactly which living Loyalist Primarch could either beat him in the field, or more likely, out-smart/lure/trick Curze into fighting in a vulnerable place or situation, I have no idea. His life was based on bringing to a collapse corrupted order, and this type of conflict is where he would have excelled. If no one in the centuries after Terra killed him, he would likely still be striking at the Imperium with a unified Night Lords Legion. If Talos or Sahaal killed M'Shen, or any other member of the NL Legion, I believe Curze would have killed them outright, and would likely be plunged into fits of insanity and self doubt/rage, taking no small satisfaction that his putrid Legion cannot even follow his dying command, another sure sign of vindication in his line of thinking. Death would find him a different way, dealt by a different hand, likely allowed again by Curze himself and seen in a vision. He does not strike me as a Primarch that would allow one of his sons to shape or deny his own destiny. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219825-night-haunter/#findComment-2624235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 A likely progression would be that he would have been killed by a loyalist Primarch, seeing as the Night Lords were not retreating into the Eye of Terror like the other Legions.I agree, he would most likely have been chased down after the Heresy by his brother Primarchs and been brought to justice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219825-night-haunter/#findComment-2624590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewlay Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 I agree with this line of thinking. If Curze theoretically had a change of heart (that being, his hatred outweighs his need for vindication, and saw his remaining Legion as a necessary evil, rather than the worst of what he fought against) and killed M'Shen, I suspect he would be brought to bear at some point by Loyalist forces in the many genocide campaigns he would no doubt have waged. Exactly which living Loyalist Primarch could either beat him in the field, or more likely, out-smart/lure/trick Curze into fighting in a vulnerable place or situation, I have no idea. His life was based on bringing to a collapse corrupted order, and this type of conflict is where he would have excelled. If no one in the centuries after Terra killed him, he would likely still be striking at the Imperium with a unified Night Lords Legion. TBH I don't think Cruze would take to the field again, he hated his legion and would of most likely abandon them. He believed in 'strength from isolation' so he wouldn't have a problem fighting on his own. Instead of waging a war against the Imperium I think he would of destroyed it from the inside, assassinating the Lords of Terra and causing utter chaos. If he lasted (or waited) long enough he would of seen the rise of the Church and Inquisition and eliminated them. Wether or not he would of tried to do the same to the Traitor legions, I doubt it. But he wasn't one to rush blindley at the enemy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219825-night-haunter/#findComment-2625048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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