Pulse Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 We're constantly being shown that the Horus Heresy series makes good attempts to go beyond mere narrative, and into more interesting territory - subtler characterization, the development and teasing of themes, and so forth. I think the Fenris Wolves are just another locus that reflects back into the character's face just what we're supposed to see in them. It is still this explanation; Come on you lot sort it out - When Magnus says their are no wolves on Fenris, he means no actual wolves in the animal sense. Magnus hints strongly that the wolves are actual creatures like the Thousands Sons Tutalries, that have taken wolf form. The fact that when Magnus says it, a wolf actively acknowledges it but it's only noticed by Magnus himself. that holds true. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219993-there-are-no-wolves-on-fenris/page/2/#findComment-2951438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 We're constantly being shown that the Horus Heresy series makes good attempts to go beyond mere narrative, and into more interesting territory - subtler characterization, the development and teasing of themes, and so forth. I think the Fenris Wolves are just another locus that reflects back into the character's face just what we're supposed to see in them. It is still this explanation; Come on you lot sort it out - When Magnus says their are no wolves on Fenris, he means no actual wolves in the animal sense. Magnus hints strongly that the wolves are actual creatures like the Thousands Sons Tutalries, that have taken wolf form. The fact that when Magnus says it, a wolf actively acknowledges it but it's only noticed by Magnus himself. that holds true. I didn't get that at all, and it's hinted strongly that this is not the case. When Magnus looks into a wolf, what he sees he sees in the physical level, he sees in the DNA. He doesn't see anything related to the warp spirits of the tutelaries. He looks in and doesn't see a wolf's DNA, but something else. Then later in Prospero Burns we start hearing about how the Space Wolves and their Wulfen problem isn't the first occurrence of that sort of thing, but something deeply hidden in Frenris' past. So humans changing into wolf-like things is not something new, not something restricted solely to the Space Wolves, though their genetic enhancements exacerbates the problem. Then it begins to talk about how the first humans who colonized Fenris were genetically adapted to the planet, and that these genetic adaptations ended up turning wrong, or that it snowballed out of their control. All these clues work off of the Canis Helix. A part of the Marine creation process that's unique to the Space Wolves. Not a part, actually, but an addition to the process. All hints that the wolves of Fenris are merely genetic adaptations of those ancient humans. 1. It's their DNA that makes them "not a wolf" 2. There are werewolf myths on Fenris that predate the Space Wolves and are based partly in truth 3. It's the genetic engineering that creates the Space Wolves that causes the change to happen so readily and quickly 4. Ancient colonists genetically engineered themselves to be suited for their new environment The Fenrisian wolves are not tutelaries. They share none of their traits, and Magnus and the other Thousand Sons don't hint at it, and they would have realized it easily if it was the case. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219993-there-are-no-wolves-on-fenris/page/2/#findComment-2951795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarias Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 We're constantly being shown that the Horus Heresy series makes good attempts to go beyond mere narrative, and into more interesting territory - subtler characterization, the development and teasing of themes, and so forth. I think the Fenris Wolves are just another locus that reflects back into the character's face just what we're supposed to see in them. It is still this explanation; Come on you lot sort it out - When Magnus says their are no wolves on Fenris, he means no actual wolves in the animal sense. Magnus hints strongly that the wolves are actual creatures like the Thousands Sons Tutalries, that have taken wolf form. The fact that when Magnus says it, a wolf actively acknowledges it but it's only noticed by Magnus himself. that holds true. True, but quote b does not necessarily contradict quote a. It can be both! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219993-there-are-no-wolves-on-fenris/page/2/#findComment-2953143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Rawl Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 I see it as that the Wolves on Fenris were actually the original settlers of the planet who had evolved into the best way to survive the death world, this is what the Canis Helix does, it allows them to adapt to survive any enviroment. So when Magnus looks into the wolf I took that as he was looking past the savage look, and actions, only to see a man. It also gives more insight to Abentt's direction with the wolves in Prospero Burns, they want you to see them as savages as that is what you want to see them as. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219993-there-are-no-wolves-on-fenris/page/2/#findComment-2953554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostclaw222 Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 I gotta go with Cormac here. Not only makes the most sense, it covers all fluff to this point, including Freki and Geri, Mama Wolf, etc. Also, we know Kaspar is going down into the freezers with Bjorn, and it will likely never be safe for him to be thawed out. We also know that Russ's approach to battle is to let the enemy see what's coming for him, which suggests that Russ is a straight-forward fella. Heck, even the Wolves that are in-the-know that Kaspar's a spy never actually lie to him. This leads me to believe what Russ says to Kaspar at the end of Prospero. Nicely packaged, bow on top. Bam. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/219993-there-are-no-wolves-on-fenris/page/2/#findComment-2954622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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