Plague Angel Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Hey all. I'm a big fan of the Badab War, so I was excited about IA9. After seeing the first WIP pics of mega_marines' Lamenters I was inspired to make my own Malakim Phoros. I'm acquiring the bits for that right now, but I got an idea for the modeling project I want to do this year. So for 2011, my plan is to do a model for the Chapter Master of every Sanguinian chapter. I think I may need some help, brothers — if there are records of certain Chapter Masters that I don't know about, let me know; if you play one of those chapters and have your own thoughts about what the Chapter Master is like, I definitely want to know! Maybe we can even come up with custom rules for all of them, if needed. Here's what I know: Known: Blood Angels — Dante Angels Sanguine — Sentikan Angels Encarmine — Castellan Zargo Flesh Tearers — Gabriel Seth Blood Drinkers — Orloc Lamenters — Malakim Phoros And my own successors, the Host Incarnadine and their master Malkavius Ventrue. Unknown: Angels Vermillion Flesh Eaters Knights of Blood EDIT: Also! The Exsanguinators and the Knights Sanguine. I can't believe I neglected them. Questionable: Blood Swords — Chapter Master Daggan. Neat because he's a dreadnought. Codex says that they aren't successors though. I never thought the day would come when I'd have to choose between Mat Ward and Jim Swallow, but I think I'm going to give this to the Codex over Black Library. EDIT: That would bring the total number up to 12 infantry and a Dreadnought. Quite the Apocalypse formation! If Dante, Ventrue, and others weren't Jump Infantry, it'd be perfect to fit inside a Stormraven... And, pictures of what I've done so far. Unpainted Dante and paint-in-progress Ventrue. http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o215/Animus_Seed/warhammer/IMG_3497.jpg http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o215/Animus_Seed/warhammer/IMG_3500-1.jpg http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o215/Animus_Seed/warhammer/IMG_3502-1-1.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220044-the-masters-of-the-blood/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 didnt daggan die though? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220044-the-masters-of-the-blood/#findComment-2626068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted January 20, 2011 Author Share Posted January 20, 2011 didnt daggan die though? So did Malakim. Or at least, he is missing, fate unknown, presumed dead. And I count that as "dead" in my head-canon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220044-the-masters-of-the-blood/#findComment-2626074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 ahh, so are you gonna make them or look for a newer more'alive' replacement? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220044-the-masters-of-the-blood/#findComment-2626304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demoulius Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 sounds like a fun project :) is it for an apocalypse formation or somesuch? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220044-the-masters-of-the-blood/#findComment-2626406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 I wish I had some information as to the Angels Vermillion chapter master. To my knowledge, he has never been named nor any information about his style. Heck, until the 5th edition BA codex, we didn't have a named homeworld. I run my chapter master under the idea of the high chaplain for the chapter taking over after the Chapter Master fell to the Black Rage. He wears artificer armor and carries an ancient axe carried by the chapter's first chapter master so long ago. As the chapter is having trouble controlling the Red Thirst (which is why they try to avoid other chapters) and the only way to get chaplain abilities, a relic blade and Artificer armor on one model is to use Astorath's rules, so that's how I run him. This is all my own background for the Angels Vermillion, except the part about trying to avoid other chapters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220044-the-masters-of-the-blood/#findComment-2626413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 strange that, my storm angels chapter master also has artificer armour, big jump pack and a really cool axe... but i explain his other rules as hes just really fun to be around and they dont like having their partys being interrupted, that and he inspires his men...lol... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220044-the-masters-of-the-blood/#findComment-2626481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted January 20, 2011 Author Share Posted January 20, 2011 @Brother nathan: I'll make Malakim. He has rules, and good rules too. I want to try running him with Honor Guard in a transport of some type soon. Daggan... hmm, yes I think I'll make him. A Dread will be nice to break up all the infantry, and seeing as there's more quantitatively written about the Blood Swords as successors than just a sentence in the Codex, I'm going to go ahead and count them. @Demoulius: The thought did cross my mind! I have friends who love Apocalypse, but I don't get to bring much (and I didn't get that super-heavy for Xmas I wanted...) so I tend to stay home. I'm sure I could come up with something to represent the surviving scions of Sanguinius gathering together. I could use the Masters of the Chapter or Lords of the Black Crusade as a basis. @JamesI: Thanks for the custom fluff! Has that been your background all along, and Astorath just happened to fit the rules? Or did you fluff-up a counts-as Astorath? I built a counts-as for him but he has no fluff. Anyways, power-axe and artificer armor is a great basis to start with and he could still be given custom rules for how his axe works or special abilities, if needed. The other thing I should consider is where I stand on the "Knights of Blood" issue, which I'd not really thought about until now. I don't believe Ward was purposefully trying to draw a parallel to Codex: Chaos Space Marines as the name is pretty generic. I suppose it does add some spice and intrigue, especially with the Ka'Bandha assault happening. The writer in me leans away from equating the chapter with the warband, but the modeler in me has always wanted an excuse to build a juggernaut. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220044-the-masters-of-the-blood/#findComment-2626770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 try both? well do the cheaper one first then if you still wanna do the juggernaut one... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220044-the-masters-of-the-blood/#findComment-2626854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Not long after reading Astorath's rules I decided how fitting they could be for a Chapter Master (not wanting to use Seth or Dante). Since I had already decided the chapter was having issues controlling the thirst, that worked in well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220044-the-masters-of-the-blood/#findComment-2627051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted January 22, 2011 Author Share Posted January 22, 2011 Brainstorming a bit. Think I may have come up with some special rules for a few of the Masters. I tried to use the special characters from C:BA and C:SM as inspiration. Sentikan — all friendly units within 12" of Sentikan gain the Fleet universal special rule. Orloc — during deployment, units may choose to pass or fail their Red Thirst roll. Zargo — um... something something Death Company. There's a stratagem in Planetstrike: once one of your unit dies, you may re-deploy an identical unit. I thought something like that might be neat, making Death Company stay a 0-1 choice but basically giving them the old 'nid Without Number rule and letting you resurrect them once they had died. Except I have no idea how to balance that in a standard game or how much it should cost. So I'm going to shoot for something simpler. Flesh Eaters master — whenever you destroy a unit with a sweeping advance, the Flesh Eaters Chapter Master may regain 1 wound. Knights of Blood — rather than go all out and give him a juggernaut or something silly, I think I'll just give him a power weapon... that adds 2D6 to his attacks, but wounds him instead if you roll a 1... and let you draw your own conclusions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220044-the-masters-of-the-blood/#findComment-2628981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanguinarian Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Sorry for the late reply. Everytime I meant to write something I got swept away with something else. Now that you have pressed my hand to keyboard, I offer this for my Master Knight of Blood. Chapter Master Michelangelis WS 6, BS 5, S 4, T 4, I 5, A 4, Ld 10, Sv 2+ Unit Type: Infantry Wargear: Terminator Armour, Glaive Encarmine (S6 + Rending), Storm Shield. Special Rule: In an army that includes Michelangelis, a single squad of 10 DC may wear TDA and always deploys with their Chapter Master. Once joined, Michelangelis is subject to Rage and must pass a Leadership test in order to leave the squad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220044-the-masters-of-the-blood/#findComment-2640620 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mega_marines Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 didnt daggan die though? So did Malakim. Or at least, he is missing, fate unknown, presumed dead. And I count that as "dead" in my head-canon. Feeling a little bit of rage there. ;) IIRC, his fluff marked him being sighted still fighting in Lamenter's Penitent Crusade, despite it being rumors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220044-the-masters-of-the-blood/#findComment-2640722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d503 Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Orloc — during deployment, units may choose to pass or fail their Red Thirst roll. You'll have trouble with this the first time you try to explain to someone why your tacticals all passed thier red thirst role and your assault squads all failed it. it's way too powerful ingame, and isn't really compatible with the nature of the red thirst in the fluff at all. I would choose something else if I were you - perhaps being able to re-roll for one squad? This would show greater control, but not take away the random nature of it at setup. Flesh Eaters master — whenever you destroy a unit with a sweeping advance, the Flesh Eaters Chapter Master may regain 1 wound. This is good though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220044-the-masters-of-the-blood/#findComment-2640772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted January 31, 2011 Author Share Posted January 31, 2011 Orloc — during deployment, units may choose to pass or fail their Red Thirst roll. You'll have trouble with this the first time you try to explain to someone why your tacticals all passed thier red thirst role and your assault squads all failed it. it's way too powerful ingame, and isn't really compatible with the nature of the red thirst in the fluff at all. I would choose something else if I were you - perhaps being able to re-roll for one squad? This would show greater control, but not take away the random nature of it at setup. Ah, I like that. I like that very much. Hm. I hope I still have that Vampire Counts head, it looks like an "Orloc." @Sanguinarian: Terminator Death Company have been on my mind, actually. I've been playing Death Angel: Space Hulk the Card Game and so I have Blood Angels terminators on my brain. And according to a recent interview with Mat Ward, Death Company Dreadnoughts are not Death Company Marines who were interred in Dreadnoughts, but rather venerated Furiosos who, having resisted the Black Rage in life, finally succumbed to it after death. Now if our Dreads can fall to the Rage so late in their careers, surely our Termies can too. However, while I was looking at doing something similar, I was probably going to give it to Zargo. The Angels Encarmine have a larger association with DC than the Knights of Blood do. I will probably still use your wargear, however, and if you have any fluff in your head I'd love to hear it. As for actual updates, I'm going to go to GW soon and pick up a Gabriel Seth model. I also got a bit of inspiration for Malakim, in a rather different pose than the Seth-based ones — which I love, by the way, but since I'm also doing Seth himself as part of this project it won't do to have two identically posed models. Now, hopefully, I can get the bits I want into the look I have in mind. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220044-the-masters-of-the-blood/#findComment-2640953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RebG Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 @Sanguinarian: Terminator Death Company have been on my mind, actually. I've been playing Death Angel: Space Hulk the Card Game and so I have Blood Angels terminators on my brain. And according to a recent interview with Mat Ward, Death Company Dreadnoughts are not Death Company Marines who were interred in Dreadnoughts, but rather venerated Furiosos who, having resisted the Black Rage in life, finally succumbed to it after death. Now if our Dreads can fall to the Rage so late in their careers, surely our Termies can too. I'm not a fan of the idea of termie DC (from a fluff point of view, in a game they'd be awesome!). This is because I understood it as not that veterans in TDA armour are immune to Red Thirst/Black Rage but that their armour is too valuable to waste. If a member of a terminator squad were to succumb they'd just suit him up in normal power armour like the rest of the DC. Their role is to die killing enemies of mankind so a suit of TDA would be a waste (he'd also likely get left behind being bigger and slower), the TDA would be passed on to a promoted marine or current PA veteran for an upgrade - they'd make much better use of it tactically. Anyways, on the OP I love the chapter master ideas and like the tactical rule tweaks that could work to give extra character to successor armies, keep it up! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220044-the-masters-of-the-blood/#findComment-2641311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanguinarian Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 @RebG: I agree 100%, but my angle(s) are always to think of reasons to be named "renegade". Can you imagine in the midst of combat, instead of pressing the enemy, the KoBs retrieve their fallen TDA? Far-fetched probably. My original thought was to put my CM on a bike and have his HG also equipped on "steeds" with power swords and storm shields. Then his Special Rule would make all Bikes Troops with no other Fast Attack slots available. But (a) that would be OP, and (;) too DA Ravenwing or White Scar-like. Especially with Red Thirst. ; ) I honestly think this would be more "knightly". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220044-the-masters-of-the-blood/#findComment-2641401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RebG Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Sounds like some cool objective markers for the recoverable TDA's! The mounts could work well with the right concept, maybe work in hit and run and either count them as bikers without changing the max number available or mount them on something that could still be explained as jump packs? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220044-the-masters-of-the-blood/#findComment-2641441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Priest Haelaeif Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Argh, sorry, wrong topic.. could someone please delete this post? Thanks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220044-the-masters-of-the-blood/#findComment-2641515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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