Emperors Immortals Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 I dont thin it will be available for any other armies, and would it really fit with a wolves list? (seriously id like to know). Nillas could make a Nilla Zilla list i suppose with Vets, but i dont see how it woudl be particularily useful without BA specific special rules.In fact, im waiting to see what GK can do with it....... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220077-the-stormchicken-is-coming/page/3/#findComment-2628032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 well from a fluff point of view i often find ragnar being transported a lot more in a thunderhawk then in a rhino. and going by the (weak and ridiculous) fluff that the stormraven has been around for years but was always catogerised as some sort of thunderhawk (atleast if there isn't any new fluff about it, i haven't read the BA dex) i could see it fitting in our champter just like a thunderhawk would fit in any other chapter. the question is, do we need it?<_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220077-the-stormchicken-is-coming/page/3/#findComment-2628202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 eally fit with a wolves list? Why wouldn't we use it, unless you mean does it fit in an army build? (which I think the answer is yes to both). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220077-the-stormchicken-is-coming/page/3/#findComment-2628206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 My Heresy era Great Company relies on delivering units with PRECISION (A Drop Pod is not precise...) Really? The Drop Pod that's renowned for it's precision? The Drop Pod that's so legendarily precise that it gets a special rule specially designed to show how precise it is? That Drop Pod? So legendarily precise they'll still end up off target? A few metres might not matter to most Astartes but to my warriors it does. Also, with small infiltration forces a drop pod is rather a dead give away Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220077-the-stormchicken-is-coming/page/3/#findComment-2628229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 My Heresy era Great Company relies on delivering units with PRECISION (A Drop Pod is not precise...) Really? The Drop Pod that's renowned for it's precision? The Drop Pod that's so legendarily precise that it gets a special rule specially designed to show how precise it is? That Drop Pod? So legendarily precise they'll still end up off target? A few metres might not matter to most Astartes but to my warriors it does. Also, with small infiltration forces a drop pod is rather a dead give away Best of luck getting a thunderhawk more precise in a combat situation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220077-the-stormchicken-is-coming/page/3/#findComment-2628468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 I dunno.. it looks alright, but I'd rather have/use the Land Raider Archilles. Fighting as Russ intended. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220077-the-stormchicken-is-coming/page/3/#findComment-2628472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decoy Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Best of luck getting a thunderhawk more precise in a combat situation. We can call 'em the Surveyor-Wolves. Walking to the site of a landing, pinpointing the exact centerpoint of where they want the Thunderhawk using highly technical survey equipment ( a stick and some rope with some chalk :teehee:) while under heavy fire. Then, and ONLY then, can the rest of the army descend. Their pack marking can be a bulls-eye with a flag planted in the center of it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220077-the-stormchicken-is-coming/page/3/#findComment-2628474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Immortals Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 eally fit with a wolves list? Why wouldn't we use it, unless you mean does it fit in an army build? (which I think the answer is yes to both). Yeah, i havent read my copy of SW yet, and my 3rd ed wolves have been repainted as chaos troops so im asking what would you put in this? Im thinking Bjorn and a pack of skyclaws - would that be a good loadout? BA so far have used it for death co and DC dreads with great results and personally i use it to drop off honour gaurd or tac squad with dread support and then be a flying light gunship till its taken down. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220077-the-stormchicken-is-coming/page/3/#findComment-2628523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godhead Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Its a gunship that I'd pack with a full squad of greyhunters 2x special weaps, a packleader and maybe an IC (ragnar springs to mind). Move 6inches and fire EVERYTHING or turbo blast across the board and drop rag and crew for hell on earth. Either way, I'd find a use for it easy enough. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220077-the-stormchicken-is-coming/page/3/#findComment-2628559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 eally fit with a wolves list? Why wouldn't we use it, unless you mean does it fit in an army build? (which I think the answer is yes to both). Yeah, i havent read my copy of SW yet, and my 3rd ed wolves have been repainted as chaos troops so im asking what would you put in this? Im thinking Bjorn and a pack of skyclaws - would that be a good loadout? BA so far have used it for death co and DC dreads with great results and personally i use it to drop off honour gaurd or tac squad with dread support and then be a flying light gunship till its taken down. Bjeorn might work, or a standard Vendread with an AC and HF. As for the troops inside? Id probly throw a Wolf Priest and 10 strong Wolf Gaurd in there. 2 Assault cannons if I had wolf Scouts for the third elite choice.... Of course the unit would likewise be horribly expensive, and I dont think Id take that under 2500pts because of that. Wich means I might as well ask for an apocalypse game and proxy a thunderhawk... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220077-the-stormchicken-is-coming/page/3/#findComment-2628567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decoy Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Bjorn would be TERRIBLE as a Dread in this thing. First off, he's I3 (or 2, can't remember), meaning any I4 rending will probably wreck him. Secondly, he counts as an Objective, meaning if he goes down ahead of your main force, you've already lost an objective unless you can destroy most of the rest of the enemy to get to him (and if that's the case, you've probably won anyways.) Thirdly, he just can't operate as a front line fighter the way a Blood Talon Dread can. If anything, pick a Dread capable of dealing damage and not costing you the game once he's destroyed. Although now I'm thinking about potentially using the Chicken for Lone Wolves... Suicidal maniacs stealing a Chicken solely for the purpose of running to the enemy lines and dying gloriously. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220077-the-stormchicken-is-coming/page/3/#findComment-2628794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 It looks horribl;ely thin from the back, i dont like the look of it but the idea appeals to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220077-the-stormchicken-is-coming/page/3/#findComment-2628864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigmund Hammerhand Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Although now I'm thinking about potentially using the Chicken for Lone Wolves... Suicidal maniacs stealing a Chicken solely for the purpose of running to the enemy lines and dying gloriously. o.O that'd be like having a private jumbo jet instead of a Gulfstream V :P Bjorn would be TERRIBLE as a Dread in this thing. First off, he's I3 (or 2, can't remember), meaning any I4 rending will probably wreck him. He's I3. But also AV13 in combat, meaning that you'd need S6 rending to have a decent chance of getting through to him, and then he's still got his invul save. With his 4 S10 attacks and WS6 he's quite formidable in combat, actually. As long as he stays away from chainfists and S10 thunder hammers, but I haven't seen too many of either around. Still, I reckon he's not exactly the best choice to drop in front of your force without support. For starters that renders his Saga of majesty useless, even though it is such a beautiful thing to have when you've got him supporting a bunch of 40 grey hunters (that's what mine does). And then there's the fact that he's got no protection whatsoever from the nastiest weapons going at him. 40 grey hunters go a long way ensuring Bjorn only faces stuff he can tear apart with ease. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220077-the-stormchicken-is-coming/page/3/#findComment-2628936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Best of luck getting a thunderhawk more precise in a combat situation. The point is, I'm not looking for combat situations. My 30 odd Scouts plus Pack Leaders have to get planetside somehow and a Drop Pod is just too much "We wus 'ere" in my opinion, whereas we know Astartes can perform undetected insertions with Thunderhawks, so something smaller should be easier. Another point is that it allows for rapid, precise redeployment which a Drop Pod is incapable of, it's a one way craft. Maybe if Scouts had been allowed Locator Beacons :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220077-the-stormchicken-is-coming/page/3/#findComment-2628946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Well perhaps as has been mentioned before...buy one and do a bit of bashing to create a Stormbird??...hmmm All chapters had storm birds if I remember my fluff... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220077-the-stormchicken-is-coming/page/3/#findComment-2629279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkhan Fellblade Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Well perhaps as has been mentioned before...buy one and do a bit of bashing to create a Stormbird??...hmmm All chapters had storm birds if I remember my fluff... They did during the heresy, but they are not mentioned anymore. It is to be assumed that since then they have all been destroyed or there are very few left. As for the OP if given access to the stormraven I might think about using it. Although I would have to convert it to make it less ugly first. Starkhan Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220077-the-stormchicken-is-coming/page/3/#findComment-2629288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decoy Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Although now I'm thinking about potentially using the Chicken for Lone Wolves... Suicidal maniacs stealing a Chicken solely for the purpose of running to the enemy lines and dying gloriously. o.O that'd be like having a private jumbo jet instead of a Gulfstream V :cuss Maybe I'll keep it painted in Blood Angels colors, except all scarred up with marred iconography. Sort of "Chaos Renegade" style, but with suicidal Wolfy emblems covering it. Maybe a Serenity-style paintjob, with grey kind of splashed all over the red haphazardly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220077-the-stormchicken-is-coming/page/3/#findComment-2629293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Well, I've got over 3,000 points worth of pure Grey Knights, so I'll definitely be getting a few Ravens for them. I don't know if I would be up for investing enough money and time to add Ravens to both my Knights and my Wolves. If not for that, however, I would definitely add a Raven or two to my Wolves. I've been waiting for a vehicle like this for Marines for 20 years, so I'd definitely include it. A combination of units in Ravens (including Dreadnoughts as well), units in Drop Pods, and Land Speeder supporting gunships, all combine to make the perfect thematic space-based assault force. Supporting that theme in the fluff, we've always had the Thunderhawk, but with rules that go beyond the scale of standard 40k, and a prohibitively expensive model, the T-Hawk has simply never been viable in a regular game. It's little brother the Raven, however, fits the same thematic role, but on the appropriate scale for regular games. I would definitely consider transporting Bjorn under one of these, you send him in with a support unit right in the same transport! A simultaneous attack of Hunters, Claws, or Wolf Guard and Bjorn, are more than enough to keep each other safe and smash any unit they chose to assault. I use Ragnar attached to a Hunter pack in a Land Raider Phobos now, and wouldn't mind trading the Raider for a Raven one bit. Despite my enthusiasm, I don't expect the Raven will be made available other Marines (non Knights or Angels) until 6th Edition though. Until then I can live with having them in my Knights army, and not my Wolves. Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220077-the-stormchicken-is-coming/page/3/#findComment-2629338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglez Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Didn't think I would at first, but I am def gonna get one at some point, minor conversion would make it more pleasing to the eye (lose the turret and remove/change the air intake, maybe adding the turret gun to the side of the hull or on the wings like a thunder hawk's). Though if I will model this as chaos or keep it and start a small flesh tearer's army, thats the question :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220077-the-stormchicken-is-coming/page/3/#findComment-2629573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
40k Junkie Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 I really hope that the space wolves can use it. I think it would go really well in our competitive list builds. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220077-the-stormchicken-is-coming/page/3/#findComment-2629998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 Maybe I'll keep it painted in Blood Angels colors, except all scarred up with marred iconography. Sort of "Chaos Renegade" style, but with suicidal Wolfy emblems covering it. Maybe a Serenity-style paintjob, with grey kind of splashed all over the red haphazardly. Awesome idea. Decoy, do you aim to misbehave with this? ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220077-the-stormchicken-is-coming/page/3/#findComment-2630371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizwald714 Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 I would love to have storm ravens in my army. The last tournament I went to I played a ba player who had a list that was 3 storm ravens each with a squad and a dread with blood talons. The BA player got first turn and was in my face before I had the chance to even fire a shoot at him . The game ended turn 4 with my entire army being wiped out the only game where that has ever happened to me. The Ba won the tournament both of his other games ended in 2 to 3 turn he wiped out ever single army he went up against. The storm raven is a very scary thing if used right and u build your list around them especially if the Ba goes first. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220077-the-stormchicken-is-coming/page/3/#findComment-2630497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 So he got lucky with going first each time? or did his opponents just not have any long ranged anti-tank? Or did they just paly badly... A SR is not the big "I AM" you know, which you'd realise the moment you think past "We havent got that toy!" Try dropping over to the BA forum and you'll find plenty of problems with it. Long fangs with ML anyone... ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220077-the-stormchicken-is-coming/page/3/#findComment-2630529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizwald714 Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 So he got lucky with going first each time? or did his opponents just not have any long ranged anti-tank? Or did they just paly badly... A SR is not the big "I AM" you know, which you'd realise the moment you think past "We havent got that toy!" Try dropping over to the BA forum and you'll find plenty of problems with it. Long fangs with ML anyone... ? I had plenty of anti tank all las predator, long fangs with wolf guard w/cyclone, wolf priest w/ living lightning ass well as 4 units of grey hunters with melt a guns and plenty ofmelya bombs Also hedidnt go first every game. I'm trying to say that the storm raven can be an extremely powerfully unit if u know how to use it. Bye it self the storm raven is ok ut it's all about how u can use it which makes it in my opinion amazing. Assualt marines with a chaplain and a dreadnought with blood talons. In a storm raven is discusting if u don't shoot it down u r pretty :cussed because those assault marines have feel no pain and furious charge and u r getting assaulted turn 2 and it is hard as he'll to shoot them down cause they can do the turbo thing where they get a 3 + invulnerable save. Also with the dead with blood talons he will basically whipe out any unit it assaults. I don't disagree that it can have issues but a skilled player can really use it effectively if he knows what he's doing. And if an army wipes out very army he plays to the man every game in the tournament with in 4 torn I don't think that's dumb luck. I would love the wolves to have them in their army but I doubt that will ever happen Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220077-the-stormchicken-is-coming/page/3/#findComment-2630696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Task Force Gauntlet Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 I may use it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220077-the-stormchicken-is-coming/page/3/#findComment-2630818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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