Ebsolom Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Today I heard from a fairly reliable source that there will be an article in Februarys White Dwarf which will allow other chapters access to the Storm Raven :D . Whether they will be limited to a 0-1 choice I don't know, I didn't pry too much. Whether or not this will be the case remains to be seen so please take it with a pinch of salt. What do you say? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 I've heard the rumor as well. Knowing that there is only icons for BA and GK tells me this sounds like wishful thinking. G :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/#findComment-2626323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrion Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 IMO, it's a certainty. The BA already have the SG, DC, Baal, Priests, elite Chaplains, and furioso dread as unique to them, not to mention dedicated land raiders, melta pistols, assault troops and so on - so much stuff that is unavailable to other chapters and codex marines have the Thunderfire Cannon, Land Speeder Storm and LotD. Even the space wolves don't have any unique vehicles. This isn't a hate on BA post, I like them because of their uniqueness, but a flying troop carrier? Surely other chapters have thought of using one of those before, and purely from a business point of view, limiting to one (two later) chapter makes little sense for what will likely be a popular kit if you could paint it blue and slap a U on it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/#findComment-2626340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Adams Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 I think that the storm ravens lose a lil of their effectiveness when you don't have furiosos to put in them. Still good, but a blood taloned dread comin out of a storm raven is nasty! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/#findComment-2626342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrox Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 This is taken from a post on Warseer, and it shows that if you read the fluff carefully, it hints that it is indeed in use by other chapters. Note the parts in bold The introduction of the Stormraven lies shrouded in secrecy. It has been reported that its Standard Template Construct file was discovered at the start of the 41st Millenium in a forgotten Martian archive, and that the Adeptus Mechanicus refused to begin mass-production until they assured themselves that the schematics were hale, untainted and utterly in keeping with the strictures and covenants of the Machine God. Nonetheless, some records suggest that the Stormraven was in existence even before then, most notably active in the service of the Grey Knights, the secretive Daemon-hunters of Titan. Who can say where the truth of the Stormraven's provenance lies, for the Imperium's bureaucracy is as labyrinthine as it is petty. It is just as believable that shadow-politics and administrative inertia are behind the Stormraven's belated introduction into the armies of Mankind as it is that the delay was caused only by diligence on the part of the Adeptus Mechanicus. The Stormraven is not only smaller than the Thunderhawk but, thanks to its array of vectored thrusters, is also considerably more agile. This, combined with the precise skill and incredible reaction time of its Space Marine crew, allows it to jink effortlessly through the interceptor fire and manoeuvre at full speed through cluttered spires of a hive city. As a result, the Blood Angels employ Stormravens as air support craft in environs where it would be foolish or impractical for a Thunderhawk to attempt the same role. Other Chapters might take a different tack altoghether, using Drop Pods or Land Raiders to achieve the same strategic goals, but the Blood Angels refuse to cede their mastery of the heavens to any foe, even for a moment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/#findComment-2626344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Weasel Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 I've heard the rumor as well. Knowing that there is only icons for BA and GK tells me this sounds like wishful thinking. G :D normaly i'd agree here.. but it's some of the most reliable rumormongers that have been saying it... (they of course could be wrong, they are just rumor mongers) but it's the level of never to almost never wrong ones... but we shall see at the end of the month Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/#findComment-2626346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnorriSnorrison Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Until I hold February's issue in my hands, reading that specific article, it is only a rumor. I hope that it stays a rumor and really is wishful thinking. :) By the way, I do not think that the SR will be available to other chapters. With what justification anyway? The fluff says it's only us and the Grey Knights who use this gunship. Not the Ultramarines. Not the Raven Guard. Not any DIY chapter. Us and the GK. Snorri Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/#findComment-2626347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeller Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Yes, other chapters use a Thunderhawk. Since we have a higher proportion of jump pack use we have a smaller and more agile vehicle to get from A to B. (not the greatest logic) I'll cry as most of us will but if it happens it happens. We won't forgive GW of course. :) Also, it just dawned on me that the gunship could be converted into a star wars LAAT/i Gunship! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/#findComment-2626348 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Perhaps prodigious use of the ship by the Grey Knights and Blood Angels have given the Mechanicus enough data to allow mass production for other chapters. :) By the way, I do not think that the SR will be available to other chapters. With what justification anyway? The fluff says it's only us and the Grey Knights who use this gunship. Not the Ultramarines. Not the Raven Guard. Not any DIY chapter. Us and the GK. Remember, the Mechanicus owns the designs. New vehicles by one chapter eventually always trickle down for the entire family to use. (LRC's thank... you BT's, and Predtor Annihilators..Praise Russ!) Also, business wise, it makes much more sense to make it available to all. Especially a new kit to help justify it's development with good sales figures. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/#findComment-2626351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglou666 Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 i play blood angels, and even though i enjoy our uniqueness, i cant see this one staying ours. All of the guys at gw hq will have the $.$ in thier eyes, and remember how annoyed the non BA chapters were when we had it last year? one can only hope, but if it does go wrong, look at the bright side, we still have lots of other goodies. what other chapter gets too pull enemy vehicles towards thier dreadnoughts? :) biglou... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/#findComment-2626362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Also, it just dawned on me that the gunship could be converted into a star wars LAAT/i Gunship!This was my intended use all along, for my Grey Knights. It barely even needs converting, just a suitable paintjob... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/#findComment-2626363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus_Sanguinius Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 i play blood angels, and even though i enjoy our uniqueness, i cant see this one staying ours. All of the guys at gw hq will have the $.$ in thier eyes, and remember how annoyed the non BA chapters were when we had it last year? one can only hope, but if it does go wrong, look at the bright side, we still have lots of other goodies. what other chapter gets too pull enemy vehicles towards thier dreadnoughts? :) biglou... ^This. I guess the development of the Stormraven was expensive and GW could intend to earn some money, so I think from a business perspective the SR will be available for other chapters indeed. Seems to be logical. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/#findComment-2626375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnorriSnorrison Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 By the way, I do not think that the SR will be available to other chapters. With what justification anyway? The fluff says it's only us and the Grey Knights who use this gunship. Not the Ultramarines. Not the Raven Guard. Not any DIY chapter. Us and the GK. Remember, the Mechanicus owns the designs. New vehicles by one chapter eventually always trickle down for the entire family to use. (LRC's thank... you BT's, and Predtor Annihilators..Praise Russ!) Also, business wise, it makes much more sense to make it available to all. Especially a new kit to help justify it's development with good sales figures. Well, yeah. I was just a little bit annoyed by the fact that we had to wait quite a long time for the model and in the end it's just a vanilla toy and it won't be special anymore. I mean, I can see every player include one 'raven into his army, and while it would guarantee incredibly high sales, it's uniqueness would immediately be gone. That's what I liked most about different codexes, that's one reason why I play a different codex(a minor one, though). Well, as Zeller said, if it happens, it happens. I won't be glad about it, but at least we can use the Stormraven with the most devastating effect.:) Snorri Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/#findComment-2626382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 As I have said in the past, I would be amazed if the Raven stayed exclusive to us/Grey Knights. Its too big of a kit, too expensive for it to be exclusive. GW will want the money for opening it up to everyone. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/#findComment-2626392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 0-1 Heavy Support... It will be godlike in Deathwing armies Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/#findComment-2626395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fearlessgod Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Honestly, it makes good buisiness sense for GW to open up the Storm Raven to other chapters. The 0-1 restriction (for other chapters) is fine with me. Now, if they give away my beloved Baal Predators..... :) ~fearlessgod~ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/#findComment-2626411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Now, if they give away my beloved Baal Predators..... :) ~fearlessgod~ I think that would have happened already if it was going to happen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/#findComment-2626416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus_Sanguinius Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Now, if they give away my beloved Baal Predators..... :) I don't think that will ever happen. I mean why should SW, DA or normal SM use a BAAL Predator? I guess it should be enough for them to have normal Predators. Otherwise I would gladly assist you. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/#findComment-2626420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vahouth Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 By the way, I do not think that the SR will be available to other chapters. With what justification anyway? The fluff says it's only us and the Grey Knights who use this gunship. Not the Ultramarines. Not the Raven Guard. Not any DIY chapter. Us and the GK. Remember, the Mechanicus owns the designs. New vehicles by one chapter eventually always trickle down for the entire family to use. (LRC's thank... you BT's, and Predtor Annihilators..Praise Russ!) Also, business wise, it makes much more sense to make it available to all. Especially a new kit to help justify it's development with good sales figures. Well, yeah. I was just a little bit annoyed by the fact that we had to wait quite a long time for the model and in the end it's just a vanilla toy and it won't be special anymore. I mean, I can see every player include one 'raven into his army, and while it would guarantee incredibly high sales, it's uniqueness would immediately be gone. That's what I liked most about different codexes, that's one reason why I play a different codex(a minor one, though). Well, as Zeller said, if it happens, it happens. I won't be glad about it, but at least we can use the Stormraven with the most devastating effect.;) Snorri Agree 100%. We should also not forget that with the SR comes a tactical flexibility that IMHO fit ONLY the BAs and their style of play. Besides it's been mentioned in the fluff ...As a result, the Blood Angels employ Stormravens as air support craft in environs where it would be foolish or impractical for a Thunderhawk to attempt the same role. Other Chapters might take a different tack altoghether, using Drop Pods or Land Raiders to achieve the same strategic goals, but the Blood Angels refuse to cede their mastery of the heavens to any foe, even for a moment. I cannot speek for the GKs since we have no data yet, but I cannot say that I'm not annoyed for example by some SW players that feel they should have it. I mean...come on!! Since when should the SWs have access to it? Which exactly bit of their fluff says so? How will it affect the balance of the game then? I could go on and on, but I really think I should stop know... :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/#findComment-2626422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decoy Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Agree 100%.We should also not forget that with the SR comes a tactical flexibility that IMHO fit ONLY the BAs and their style of play. Besides it's been mentioned in the fluff ...As a result, the Blood Angels employ Stormravens as air support craft in environs where it would be foolish or impractical for a Thunderhawk to attempt the same role. Other Chapters might take a different tack altoghether, using Drop Pods or Land Raiders to achieve the same strategic goals, but the Blood Angels refuse to cede their mastery of the heavens to any foe, even for a moment. I cannot speek for the GKs since we have no data yet, but I cannot say that I'm not annoyed for example by some SW players that feel they should have it. I mean...come on!! Since when should the SWs have access to it? Which exactly bit of their fluff says so? How will it affect the balance of the game then? I could go on and on, but I really think I should stop know... :) Well, in the Wolves defense, it was pictured in our Codex first. ;) Methinks we were supposed to get it but they passed it on to you guys. Most Wolves that I know won't even buy it, for what that's worth, if we get it. The majority just think it's flashy and serves no purpose in a Wolf army. BA, sure, but in Wolves, it's a liability, and not nearly as handy as it's price worth of Razorbacks or troops. I'd think the balance would be largely unaffected were the Wolves to get it; if anything, I think there's a push from the Wolves to get it just so BA don't have it as an "Exclusive." That's the general consensus around here in my LGS meta. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/#findComment-2626432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 I'm a BA player (as my sig and avatar show) Personally I think all marine chapters should have access. It should cost the same but with the following differences: Loses Skies of Blood - with no replacement Swaps Blood strike missiles for hunter killer missiles. likely should have a 0-1 restriction (the last bit, honestly I highly doubt, but the first two I'd put money on - same for its cost) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/#findComment-2626464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Gunzhard Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Perhaps it will be like an Apocalypse formation type thing... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/#findComment-2626465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Till Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Perhaps it will be like an Apocalypse formation type thing... I could settle for this. Anything else no. There is a list of units that each codex gets that is simply exclusive. I chose this codex due to their unique models, and story line. If GW takes away the uniqueness, all that's left is a spotty story book with cool pictures. I don't believe I need to list every single model for every single codex, but SW have a bunch of unique models, BA have them. I really hope when they get around to redoing DA and BT those two also get their own very unique minis. This isn't me ranting about how I want all the cool :P . Its me saying everyone deserves their own unique cool crap. With so many players playing various marine chapters, you think they would try to keep the codex's unique. look at the numbers, more people play a specific codex of marines than other non-marine codexes like eldar, witch hunters, necron; they all have their very unique entire line. From a money aspect. GW doesn't have the best business plan ever, what they do have though, is a titan grip in a niche market that will never change. The second worst thing that can happen to a company is a disgruntled consumer base (first being disgruntled labor union). If they kept everyone happy, they would make more money than by keeping most happy. They have those means; it doesn't cost millions to turn out a new mini, if it did all the little bottom feeder mini companies wouldn't be around. Im not a mini major, but I have a great amount in experience in injection molding, custom precision CNC machining, and other forms of precision mass production. It just isnt that expensive to mass produce with materials like plastic and pewter. Again, all marine codex's need to have their list of new rules, and 3-4 unique large models. There needs to be a reason to play various codex other than fluff. With the DYI chapter concept you can make your own fluff and colors scheme anyway... That leaves only rules and models as an attraction. If the only thing GW cares about is money (which I dont think it is), they just need to cut the crap and let every codex use every model, every special character... now they're really opening up selling those niche models to the masses? Right? DoA army lead by shrike with thunderwolves in storm ravens here I come... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/#findComment-2626535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Fancy Pants Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 They made the Land Raider Crusader available to every chapter, they'll do the same thing with the Stormraven. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/#findComment-2626569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master of fact Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 If they dont release it to other chapters GW will lose out. Can you see them missing out on £££$$$, me neither. Also if i came across the STC template for this pig of a model, id have left it burried in the mud. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/#findComment-2626579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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