vahouth Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 If they dont release it to other chapters GW will lose out. Can you see them missing out on £££$$$, me neither. Also if i came across the STC template for this pig of a model, id have left it burried in the mud. Half of the people that could take it, hate it already. Besides by that thinking, they should give thunderwolves (when they'll be available) to every other chapter, in one form or an other. Dinosaurs for Salamanders Vampire Bats of Doom for BAs Radscorpions for Red Scorpions Nightmares for Templars Jetbikes for DAs etc, etc.... Why miss all that $$$ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2626590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Till Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 If they dont release it to other chapters GW will lose out. Can you see them missing out on £££$$$, me neither. Also if i came across the STC template for this pig of a model, id have left it burried in the mud. You don't know they would lose money and I don't know they would save. More people from other chapters would buy the mini and others would leave the hobby. Ask around your local gaming store - the people who play Warmachine and hordes, malifaux, or another non-gw game. The ones that left played GW games but quit due to issues like this. The left hand taking money from the right and saying they made money isn't a good business practice. edit: grammar Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2626595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noobtank Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 hmmm..interesting..i found this ad from my local gameshop.I am not sure if they made a mistake or is it some info that they were given or something,note what it says for the other chapters. http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv5/yusoff26/ad-1.jpg ;) but yea i will post here once i know more Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2626597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Till Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 In the add its says for apoc formations. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2626601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noobtank Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 yeap,so can it be true? lol keeping my fingers crossed cause i love the feeling of being special haha Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2626610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 yeap,so can it be true? lol keeping my fingers crossed cause i love the feeling of being special haha Anything goes in Apocalypse, including a Thunderhawk filled with Carnifexes... Ergo they can take Storm Ravens if they want to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2626624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus_Sanguinius Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Well, that sounds cool. :) So let's wait and see and keep our fingers crossed. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2626637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noobtank Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 oh what i meant is can it be true that we the BA are the only fellas who can use them for a regular point-age game (eg 1750-2000pts),for the rest,they can only field them in apoc games Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2626638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebsolom Posted January 20, 2011 Author Share Posted January 20, 2011 Good find Noobtank! Hopefully it is only available to other chapters in Apocalypse only, I know I may get some flak for my opinion but what the hell :wacko: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2626675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mezkh Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 I wouldn't mind if other Chapters got to use it. I don't really get the jealously thing I guess. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2626678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Hey it's not like SW don't have enough unique units of their own. I see the SR as more geared towards BA, GK and other more traditional chapters. G :wacko: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2626698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Weasel Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Hey it's not like SW don't have enough unique units of their own. I see the SR as more geared towards BA, GK and other more traditional chapters. G :teehee: I agree it is geared to the BA, and can be for the GK (assuming they keep them fast) wha ti don't get is why people think it takes away from our uniqueness, yes we have it now, GK will 100%, but it's not like other people getting it will all of a suddon make them BA.. they don't have DOA. they also don't have several of out units... Makning them avvaliable for appoc only isn't even somehting i had considered...that would fufill the rumor mongers and the ones saying it wouldn't... ( of course you don't need anyones permision to take the thing in appoc...) little over a week till we know:) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2626715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vahouth Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 And yet it could be served in some sort of Apocalyptic formation... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2626724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Gunzhard Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Not to get sidetracked here; but I see a lot of people saying 'its Apocalypse you can do whatever you want etc etc'... I reread all of the Apoc rules last year and I don't recall anything, anywhere in the book that says it's a free-for-all and you can take units that don't otherwise belong in your army... does this 'rule' actually exist? That, said... I realize even the regular rulebook does make it clear that the rules are just a guideline, and that you are of course free to do whatever you want with them... so I'm not saying I personally wouldn't allow someone to do 'whatever' in Apoc, but it does strike me as weird that such a 'RaW' conscious fanbase seems to always insist that Apoc is a free-for-all. On topic: When I first heard the rumors of 'everyone' getting a SR I figured it might be something like an Apoc Formation... which would be perfectly fine for me. I mean I could live it if everyone did get them normally, but I would be slightly disappointed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2626731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanguinarian Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 If they dont release it to other chapters GW will lose out. Can you see them missing out on £££$$$, me neither. Also if i came across the STC template for this pig of a model, id have left it burried in the mud. Half of the people that could take it, hate it already. Besides by that thinking, they should give thunderwolves (when they'll be available) to every other chapter, in one form or an other. Dinosaurs for Salamanders Vampire Bats of Doom for BAs Radscorpions for Red Scorpions Nightmares for Templars Jetbikes for DAs etc, etc.... Why miss all that $$$ Forgive me for getting off-topic and using BL as a reference, but wouldn't our homeworld "godzillas" be more inline with what each Chapter would be most likely to use as their TWC? For instance, IIRC when Rafen didn't make the cut, didn't he save the chosen by killing a Fire Scorpion that attacked them? Taming them and using them as BACav would be cool. Or better yet, since our Lord Primarch had wings, why not...nevermind. Also, Vulkan's homeworld, Nocturne, had Firedrakes. Those 2 jumped out from your list, but I like the thought of it nonetheless. :teehee: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2626737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vahouth Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Come on man, I was speculating. You get the idea though... :teehee: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2626739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain sox Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 There are 2 ways to look at this: 1. The Stormraven stays exclusive, and hordes of people jump on the BA 'Shiny New Toys' wagon. 2. The Raven becomes allowed in all armies, which means everyone and their dog will be feilding them. Either way, does it really matter? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2626742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isryion Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 I would think it would be odd for them to put new rules into WD that could be used in a tournament type setting. It would make sense if they kept to to Apocolypse or something, I just assumed that all their games seem to move away from official rules in WD, so I'd be surprised if they do that. On the other hand, models and sales come first. It will be interesting to see. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2626743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Gunzhard Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 There are 2 ways to look at this: 1. The Stormraven stays exclusive, and hordes of people jump on the BA 'Shiny New Toys' wagon. 2. The Raven becomes allowed in all armies, which means everyone and their dog will be feilding them. Either way, does it really matter? Typical overly-friendly socialists(!!) Canadian response! :teehee: :lol: ...kidding. Nah of course it doesn't really matter; none of this stuff is important, but I'd still rather see the SR be BA-only or an Apoc formation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2626748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Not to get sidetracked here; but I see a lot of people saying 'its Apocalypse you can do whatever you want etc etc'... I reread all of the Apoc rules last year and I don't recall anything, anywhere in the book that says it's a free-for-all and you can take units that don't otherwise belong in your army... does this 'rule' actually exist? Apocalypse is a chance to use your entire collection, it's one of the first few pages, with a force of Black Templars, Inquisition and Harlequins Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2626753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Weasel Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Not to get sidetracked here; but I see a lot of people saying 'its Apocalypse you can do whatever you want etc etc'... I reread all of the Apoc rules last year and I don't recall anything, anywhere in the book that says it's a free-for-all and you can take units that don't otherwise belong in your army... does this 'rule' actually exist? That, said... I realize even the regular rulebook does make it clear that the rules are just a guideline, and that you are of course free to do whatever you want with them... so I'm not saying I personally wouldn't allow someone to do 'whatever' in Apoc, but it does strike me as weird that such a 'RaW' conscious fanbase seems to always insist that Apoc is a free-for-all. On topic: When I first heard the rumors of 'everyone' getting a SR I figured it might be something like an Apoc Formation... which would be perfectly fine for me. I mean I could live it if everyone did get them normally, but I would be slightly disappointed. Page 17 The Apocalypse Mission: Rule 1 Pick an army. 5th bullet point. "Players may field a mixed force drawing from 2 or more army lists is they wish" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2626756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Gunzhard Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Not to get sidetracked here; but I see a lot of people saying 'its Apocalypse you can do whatever you want etc etc'... I reread all of the Apoc rules last year and I don't recall anything, anywhere in the book that says it's a free-for-all and you can take units that don't otherwise belong in your army... does this 'rule' actually exist? That, said... I realize even the regular rulebook does make it clear that the rules are just a guideline, and that you are of course free to do whatever you want with them... so I'm not saying I personally wouldn't allow someone to do 'whatever' in Apoc, but it does strike me as weird that such a 'RaW' conscious fanbase seems to always insist that Apoc is a free-for-all. On topic: When I first heard the rumors of 'everyone' getting a SR I figured it might be something like an Apoc Formation... which would be perfectly fine for me. I mean I could live it if everyone did get them normally, but I would be slightly disappointed. Page 17 The Apocalypse Mission: Rule 1 Pick an army. 5th bullet point. "Players may field a mixed force drawing from 2 or more army lists is they wish" Ahh well seeing that now, it is pretty clear. I always believed you could field two-or-more separate armies rather than a unit here and a unit there from different books; but it looks like they've left it pretty wide open. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2626760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Weasel Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 yea, it's a bit hidden, but it's there, now you can legally do whatever you want as long as the units are legal Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2626766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Xeones Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 Which leads me to wonder: If this is actually what the rumors have been hinting at, why is it even noteworthy that other marines will be "getting the Stormraven" in Apocalypse? Shouldn't our response be, "Of course other marine players can field it in Apoc games --It's Apocalypse after all!" I mean, if that's the case, the rumors might as well have said, "Everyone will be getting access to the SR" Since I suppose even an Ork player could field a SR wing in Apoc if they wanted. (In fact, that model might look more at home in an ork army anyway. :)) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2626780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 I'm just saiyan'... The Stormraven is not only smaller than the Thunderhawk but, thanks to its array of vectored thrusters, is also considerably more agile. This, combined with the precise skill and incredible reaction time of its Space Marine crew, allows it to jink effortlessly through the interceptor fire and manoeuvre at full speed through cluttered spires of a hive city. As a result, the Blood Angels employ Stormravens as air support craft in environs where it would be foolish or impractical for a Thunderhawk to attempt the same role. Other Chapters might take a different tack altoghether, using Drop Pods or Land Raiders to achieve the same strategic goals, but the Blood Angels refuse to cede their mastery of the heavens to any foe, even for a moment. This bit here is saying other Chapters don't use the Stormraven, not hinting that they do. If other chapters get it, I'll be meh. I don't see any reason for a chapter to get another chapter's unique toys, whatever chapters those happen to be. I'm not sure why we care what an ad from a FLGS says, honestly. It's not official GW stuff, and as stated anybody could use anything in Apocalypse. An Ork player could take a Stormraven, or a Stormraven Formation, and load them with Dark Eldar if he wanted. So yes of course other chapters could use it in Apoc, GW doesn't even have to say so since the rulebook already does. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220078-storm-raven-available-to-other-chapters/page/2/#findComment-2626817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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