Dewi Sant Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Yesterday I happens to be in the right place at the right time and I was lucky enough to have a look though next months WD. It is a truly beautiful edition and has loads of articles on BA, a battle rep between DE and BA and an awesome hobby article on posing marines in PA. It also has 3 pages (maybe more, didn't really count) dedicated to the Stormraven. The Artical went into how BA are one of the few chapters to field them. It had a page spread with full rules and stats and at no point did it make any mention of any other chapters being able to field it. The only thing I can imaging is that GW are going to open it up to other chapters in an FAQ once everyone has jumped on the BA/second founding/GK band wagon inorder to maximise sales. Looks like we will have to get an opponent permission to field one for the time being. If I'm honest I quite like the idea of BA having something that no other chapters has, we have our TWC after all but after holding the modle I do cry a little in side... :tu: Hope this post has been of help. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220212-no-stormraven-for-the-wolves/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 This makes sense. Current rumours from the "usual suspects" implied that GW's original plan had been to do a WD datasheet a la the Nightspinner with release, but has backed off for now, presumably to maximise initial sales to BA and GK players. However, with a rumoured "Summer of Flyers" I suspect that it will be available to all soon enough. I'll be sticking to my Land Raiders for now though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220212-no-stormraven-for-the-wolves/#findComment-2628420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulweih Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 I just got back from the city. I've been to the local GW and while looking at the stormchicken they (the red shirts) were saying that it'll be free for all in the Feb. WD. Maybe that's a European solo project or something, we'll see soon I guess. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220212-no-stormraven-for-the-wolves/#findComment-2628447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 oh so... kinda like how the Land Raider Crusader was once only for Black Templars Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220212-no-stormraven-for-the-wolves/#findComment-2628467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFather84 Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 I think that the BA have quite a bit that no other chapters have like (obviously) the storm raven, librarian dreadnought, magna grapplers, deep striking land raiders, death company, all fast moving vehicles, Baal Predators, independant character elite choice apothacaries that can take every peice of war gear imaginable and can grant furious charge, assault squads that are troops come to mind off the top of my head lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220212-no-stormraven-for-the-wolves/#findComment-2628481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wysten Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 I think that the BA have quite a bit that no other chapters have like (obviously) the storm raven, librarian dreadnought, magna grapplers, deep striking land raiders, death company, all fast moving vehicles, Baal Predators, independant character elite choice apothacaries that can take every peice of war gear imaginable and can grant furious charge, assault squads that are troops come to mind off the top of my head lol To be fair, using that frame of mind, I could rattle a list of stuff space wolves have and other codexes don't. Starting with the troops choices and working my way up. Ready? Just as a recap: Troops Blood Claws and it's 2 varients. They are marine varients given a savage twist. Grey Hunters + Banner and Mark of Wolf as unique equipment. They have a lot of fear attached with them as one of the best troops choices in the game. Heavy: Long Fangs: Only unit capable of shooting at two units at the same time. Fast Attack: Thunder Wolf: One of the most flexable and feared assualt units in the game. Not nessiarily the strongest, but it's movement speed makes it much more impressive. Strength 10 hammer, rending wounds, lots of toughness, strength 5 normal attacks and 19/23 inch assualting field is pretty massive. Fen Wolves: Cheap fast units, amusing troops with Caius, another unique unit. Elites: Wolf Guard: Nothing in any of the other codexes are as flexable as these guys. They can be sarges, elite units, troops. They are generalists which can be tutored to any role, only thing that stops them being used more is that our troops rock enough. Lone Wolf: Slow, but very deadily unique, tough unit. People can be tricked into not shooting at them, only to find him beating into squads and crazy stuff. Wolf Scouts: Aside from Land Speeders, nothing can get behind a guy like they, they have the unique advantage of forcing your oppoment to deploy forwards. A squad or two of these can really make your oppoment change their game plan, meaning more potencial for mistakes to be made. HQ: Rune Priest: Stactic Psy defence, great selection of powers, what more can you ask for? Logan: Whats better then grey hunters? A entire army of Wolf Guard? What maddness is t*booted* But seriously, Logan may cost a raider, but the transformation wolves can undergo with this HQ should not be undereastmated. The amount of missles and melta this list can put out is terrifying. Plus the abilitys on the squad and High King during a crtical part of the game can be terrfying. Wolf Lord: Need a remember of Hero Hammer? Here he is. He may be an expensive terrior, but words cannot descibe how deadly he is to your average Joe on the battle field. General: Wolf Claws: Better then Lightning Claws. Frost Blade: Some people like instant deathing T3's, others don't. Counter Attack: Our squads may not be as mobile when it comes to assualting, this evens the odds. Wolf Guard Leader: Sure, a bit more costly then the sarge if we want to fit him in a Rhino, but having access to everything in the Space Wolves armoury effectively is cool. As a Dragonborn great company, I plan on really using many champions in such a manner. 10 men in the droppod and Rhinos: Why? Well... The ale needed to go somewhere. :) There, remember, as the saying goes. The grass is always greener on the other side. If Blood Angels really is your calling, none is stopping you from joining them, just remember, all 5th edition codexes have been fantastically balenced so far. Main issue is, the Stormraven is flimsy in fluff to assume Blood Angels needs it much more then the Iron Hands (Reverance of all tech, termi sarges and heavy use of dreads) White Scars (are very fast and biker focused, Stromraven would be a great way to bring the slower units up to speed) and Revanguard (They are a very stealthy chapter, but in the 40K univerce, everyone fights, so a Stormraven would be a smaller, less notiable but no less formidable craft to bring the power armour up very quickly.). In forgeworld somewhere we have Thunderhawks, but thats like saying we don't need Helicopters because we have cargo planes, all Space Marines are shock troopers and hence even the slowest chapters need ways of getting into and out of warzones very quickly when droppods are not ideal and Thunderhawks are a big target. Space Wolves don't need the Stormraven, but I definately feel codex marines at the very least should have it due to being the repersentation of all codex chapters, including the Iron Hands, Revanguard and White Scars. All have reasons for needing it as much as Blood Angels. And in all honesty I don't believe the Stormraven baliences or unbaliences anything, considering any list running it has to change radically. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220212-no-stormraven-for-the-wolves/#findComment-2628554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 I've always been of the feeling that all Marines use more or less the same vehicles - Rhinos and their derivatives, Land Raiders of many patterns (from the Phobos to the Helios), Land Speeders and Drop Pods/Thunderhawks. Until C:BA, this held true - in fact, with the Baal the BA were already the only ones with a unique tank. Personally, I don't see a major issue in adding the Storm Raven to the armoury of the Astartes. After all, we all use the same tools. To my mind, the difference in the Astartes Chapters are in the men, not in their tanks/flyers/armour. The Wolves have always been completely different - as different to the Codex Marines as Chaos Marines (who, oddly, still have Rhinos, Land Raiders, Vindicators and such forth! :) ) The Blood Angels, well they had the Death Company and the Black Rage. As we have gained Thunderwolves and Lone Wolves, so they have gained Sanguinary Guards and Librarians in Dreadnoughts. To me, there isn't really anything that screams "Blood Angels" about the Thunderhawk. No iconography, no special combat role, nothing. It's been designed as, and portrayed as an Astartes rapid insertion craft. It appears to have as much place in a Raven Guard or Black Templars army as a Blood Angels one. Or, indeed, the Grey Knights. And, as things like the Mortis Dreadnought and Land Raider Crusader/Redeemer have migrated into the mainstream Astartes Armour, so to will the Storm Raven. Blood Angels just happen to have it first. Just my two cents. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220212-no-stormraven-for-the-wolves/#findComment-2628583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 It had a page spread with full rules and stats and at no point did it make any mention of any other chapters being able to field it. This sounds suspicious to me. If the only people who can use it are the people who have it in their Codex, why reprint the pages from the Codex? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220212-no-stormraven-for-the-wolves/#findComment-2628612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFather84 Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 I agree that the wolves have alot of things that other armies don't have but the wolves don't follow the codex asartes. I was simply stating that the storm raven was not the ONLY that is BA exclusive. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220212-no-stormraven-for-the-wolves/#findComment-2628704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewi Sant Posted January 22, 2011 Author Share Posted January 22, 2011 It had a page spread with full rules and stats and at no point did it make any mention of any other chapters being able to field it. This sounds suspicious to me. If the only people who can use it are the people who have it in their Codex, why reprint the pages from the Codex? So that others that don't have the Codex know and understand and to try and suck people into playing BA therefor spending money on plastic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220212-no-stormraven-for-the-wolves/#findComment-2628782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki-LaughingDeath Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Let 'em have it, they're gonna need all the help that they can get. In looking over the BA codex again at the LGS tonight after pawing the box....I was thinking that while impressive, it really doesn't fit in with the rest of our army. Funny enough I am not surprised by the fact that we are not allowed to have one. There was the whole 13 man army in second edition that made the Wolves one of the most broken forces in history. For those who didn't get to experience this phenomenon it was not pleasant. A canny wolf would take an Iron Priest and Dreadnaught, the Iron Priest had a Teleport Homer. The priest would move into position and the wolves would strike. The wolves being a Wolf Lord or Rune Priest suitable decked out for destruction and the remaining wolves were wolf guard.....all of them packing assault cannons or cyclone launchers. It's not a surprise that we cannot teleport Terminators anymore. After that little oversight I am really not surprised that we have become dependent on Rhinos, Land Raiders and Drop Pods. I would rather take the Land Raider (or variant there of) and be able to assault out of it the turn that it arrives. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220212-no-stormraven-for-the-wolves/#findComment-2628810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simo429 Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 personally i believe that flyers are the next evolution for 40k Guard have them and they are used widly once gw see how well the stormchivken goes down i believe everyone will get some sort of flyer in sixth Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220212-no-stormraven-for-the-wolves/#findComment-2628857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Frost Blade: Some people like instant deathing T3's, others don't. And, as things like the Mortis Dreadnought and Land Raider Crusader/Redeemer have migrated into the mainstream Astartes Armour, so to will the Storm Raven. Blood Angels just happen to have it first. Just my two cents. Firstly i did not relise you could ID a T3 model with a STR 5 weapon (unless you furious charge them first) Secondly just like the BT made the crusader and then Fluff wise it made sence the varients chapters got them also. Rememeber the SW made the Pred with lascannon turret by taking the long fangs lascannons and attaching them on to the pred in a famouse battle i cant rememeber of the top of my head when we could not get hold off our Landraiders, eventually the other chapters copied us and everybody had it (fluff wise) So we should eventually get the storm Raven also. If we dont we do not bemoan our losses for we are the Sons of Fenris Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220212-no-stormraven-for-the-wolves/#findComment-2628862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wysten Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Frost Blade: Some people like instant deathing T3's, others don't. And, as things like the Mortis Dreadnought and Land Raider Crusader/Redeemer have migrated into the mainstream Astartes Armour, so to will the Storm Raven. Blood Angels just happen to have it first. Just my two cents. Firstly i did not relise you could ID a T3 model with a STR 5 weapon (unless you furious charge them first) Secondly just like the BT made the crusader and then Fluff wise it made sence the varients chapters got them also. Rememeber the SW made the Pred with lascannon turret by taking the long fangs lascannons and attaching them on to the pred in a famouse battle i cant rememeber of the top of my head when we could not get hold off our Landraiders, eventually the other chapters copied us and everybody had it (fluff wise) So we should eventually get the storm Raven also. If we dont we do not bemoan our losses for we are the Sons of Fenris *Blames the ale* For some reason, I was thinking of strength 6, probably that of the Thunderwolf. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220212-no-stormraven-for-the-wolves/#findComment-2628948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Haven't good one now and seem to cope okay. I've played against BA players who've made their own versions and it's not something I found so worrying. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220212-no-stormraven-for-the-wolves/#findComment-2629013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barn Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 It had a page spread with full rules and stats and at no point did it make any mention of any other chapters being able to field it. This sounds suspicious to me. If the only people who can use it are the people who have it in their Codex, why reprint the pages from the Codex? They did the same for Legion of the Damned if i recall. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220212-no-stormraven-for-the-wolves/#findComment-2630075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 there is some fluff in our dex that suggest we have one!, with the stormraven model finally there i think we now definetly can say that those flyers on the artwork on page 4 are stormravens since they defietly lack the extra frontal wings a thunderhawk has, as well as the heavy bolters underneath the wings. my conclusion is those must be stormravens! i'm not saying they are space wolves stormravens, but they are definatly stormravens! :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220212-no-stormraven-for-the-wolves/#findComment-2630163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 there is some fluff in our dex that suggest we have one!, with the stormraven model finally there i think we now definetly can say that those flyers on the artwork on page 4 are stormravens since they defietly lack the extra frontal wings a thunderhawk has, as well as the heavy bolters underneath the wings. my conclusion is those must be stormravens!i'm not saying they are space wolves stormravens, but they are definatly stormravens! :P By Russ, I think he may be right actually. The image is not quite clear, as it's hard to tell whether there is the distinct "dip" for the Dreadnought (though there is a heavy shading that suggests there is.) The Sponson weapons don't look like Hurricane Bolters, and we can't see the top at all but there is definately a front deployment ramp and the ridiculously stubby wings so yeah... I think we had it first. Oh, the Blood Angels will be furious. Who wants to tell them? ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220212-no-stormraven-for-the-wolves/#findComment-2630303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 i've actually emailed GW to tell them about it! i'm wondering what they'll answer=p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220212-no-stormraven-for-the-wolves/#findComment-2630363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 there is some fluff in our dex that suggest we have one!, with the stormraven model finally there i think we now definetly can say that those flyers on the artwork on page 4 are stormravens since they defietly lack the extra frontal wings a thunderhawk has, as well as the heavy bolters underneath the wings. my conclusion is those must be stormravens!i'm not saying they are space wolves stormravens, but they are definatly stormravens! ;) I mentioned this last year and was dismissed. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220212-no-stormraven-for-the-wolves/#findComment-2630415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 you weren't the only one rags, but who knows, they might just claim it's a BA stormraven flying over!;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220212-no-stormraven-for-the-wolves/#findComment-2630419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Firstly i did not relise you could ID a T3 model with a STR 5 weapon (unless you furious charge them first) Secondly just like the BT made the crusader and then Fluff wise it made sence the varients chapters got them also. Rememeber the SW made the Pred with lascannon turret by taking the long fangs lascannons and attaching them on to the pred in a famouse battle i cant rememeber of the top of my head when we could not get hold off our Landraiders, eventually the other chapters copied us and everybody had it (fluff wise) The battle and hence the pattern of Pred anni was called the Skaross pattern (supposedly there are still a few in service according to the FW fluff)...after the battle that it first made it's appearance in on Skaross IV when the iron preists used the LFs Lascanons to upgrade the turrets and allow our forces to break through and escape a trap... but that is the fluff and we all know how GW sticks to the fluff...BU*^*%&^%IT...sorry sneezed there...I mean they have changed the fluff for our dex so often that if you read it you end up with a head ache... but then again only a true Son of Russ would know this as they would have all the dexes and have access to all the fine quality fluff and changes wrought by GW over the past 24 years...need I go on? So we should eventually get the storm Raven also. If we dont we do not bemoan our losses for we are the Sons of Fenris or rather we should dig them out of storage at some point and press them BACK into service...and don't get me started about bemoaning our losses...seems we lose with every incarnation of our dex... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220212-no-stormraven-for-the-wolves/#findComment-2631082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderhawk3015 Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Having had a chance to play a game where my opponent allowed me to use a pair of Stormravens to see how they would function IF wolves got them I have to say it is a bad idea. Pretty much by turn 3 there was precious little left for infantry on the table and one or two Razorbacks were still somewhat functional. 2 Ven Dreads and 2 squads of Grey Hunters with dual meltas, a wolf guard with combi, and a character getting out on top of units is not pretty(characters were a WGBL and a Wolf Priest). I can only imagine what would happen if it was Ragnar in one with some *insert tooled up cc unit here*. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220212-no-stormraven-for-the-wolves/#findComment-2631653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillen Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Hey Beef your mixing fluff and facts. The Pred Tank was it's own kit and any marine player, loyalist or chaos could have it. Now, recently they give us credit for it in fluff. But we are talking about sells tactics and release history. So bet your butt it's going down like the Land Raider Cruader. The best example is the Land Raider Crusader. Black Templars could have 3 and the rest got one till 4th edition came out. Then it was 3 for all armies. So they will probly do it this way. A Storm Chicken thou would not be as useful as a Land Raider crusader solo. Most Armies only used 1 Land Raider anyways. With an air mobility force you would want to run it with back up. 2 or 3 fo them. I proxied 3 of them for a game. It was very effective. They themselves can lay down a ton of fire. While 1 would give you a chance to buy one for modeling, it would not be all that effective on a list. I could see 2 of them tearing it up thou. Two gun ships with 2 squads with 2 dreadnoughts forcing a flank. That would make you really think things over. I had hoped for a plastic Thunder Hawk Gunship to be released. I will not pay forgeworld their redic asking price. Just can not do it. But I will buy one if priced like the Baneblade and ShadowSword kit. Just my 2 cents. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220212-no-stormraven-for-the-wolves/#findComment-2632147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Nope - he's right... The pred 'annihalator' pattern with twin las turret and las sponsons was created by the SW's when they refitted theri destructors to carry the lascannons from their LFs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220212-no-stormraven-for-the-wolves/#findComment-2632558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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