Valkyrion Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 The HH series has already deviated from the story in a few books - there really was no need for Battle for the Abyss or Nemesis. I'm not saying they were bad books, but no one would have been thinking 'hmm, I think we need a story about a big ship no one has ever heard of' had it not been written. The important books are the ones about the Legions and why they did or didn't turn. Battle for the Abyss and Nemesis could easily have been heavily abridged and edited into a short story collection without impacting on the HH storyline. If they carry on adding filler books then it will easily reach 40+ books, but only about 25 of them will be worth reading with regards to the defining moments of the heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220244-how-and-when-will-it-all-end/page/2/#findComment-2631684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrox Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 To be honest I haven't read Nemesis, I skipped it. I may catch up with it later but you only have to read the books that YOU want to. I bought Mechanicum, but I've skipped that too, will read it later I wish they were all like The First Heretic, that is a belter Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220244-how-and-when-will-it-all-end/page/2/#findComment-2631737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmouredWing Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 The HH series has already deviated from the story in a few books - there really was no need for Battle for the Abyss or Nemesis. I'm not saying they were bad books, but no one would have been thinking 'hmm, I think we need a story about a big ship no one has ever heard of' had it not been written. The important books are the ones about the Legions and why they did or didn't turn. Battle for the Abyss and Nemesis could easily have been heavily abridged and edited into a short story collection without impacting on the HH storyline. If they carry on adding filler books then it will easily reach 40+ books, but only about 25 of them will be worth reading with regards to the defining moments of the heresy. I hate to be the voice of pessimism here but I'm wondering if more than a handful of the books are really going to be essential to understanding the events of the HH. I'm not usually subject to bouts of ADD but I've found most of them to be pretty hard to get to the end of and have been really disapointed by a large swathe of the releases. To me it's been a long wait for another good read in the series since Flight of the Eisenstein and (not kissing any @rse here!) The Last Heretic really hit the spot... finally! To me the big problem is that GW should have focussed on the core story and kept it to a limited number of books, then added to the background with additional material like Marvel did with the 'Civil War' series. That way the focus and momentum would be maintained as apposed to what we have now with no apparent end in sight. 40+ books? I seriously hope not, because if that is the case the final showdown on Horus' battle barge will be years away!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220244-how-and-when-will-it-all-end/page/2/#findComment-2632060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 With me divorced, alcoholic and dead in a gutter... Oh, you mean the HH series not my life! :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220244-how-and-when-will-it-all-end/page/2/#findComment-2632061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashe Darke Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 I'm gonna clarify that the 42 books quote I saw was on a forum so this is me remembering something that is 2nd hand info at best. Whether the person had a decent source or not I can't remember so grab a pinch of salt people. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220244-how-and-when-will-it-all-end/page/2/#findComment-2632144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Ideally, I wanted at least a book about each Legion and then one - or more in case of the Siege - covering the major events of the Heresy. More than 30 books would be too many, or so I think currently, but I'd still like it to carry one for a while yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220244-how-and-when-will-it-all-end/page/2/#findComment-2632150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrike2214 Posted January 24, 2011 Author Share Posted January 24, 2011 You say 30 books is too much but including audio dramas we already have 20 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220244-how-and-when-will-it-all-end/page/2/#findComment-2632254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 You say 30 books is too much but including audio dramas we already have 20 Aduio-nonsense doesn't count - to me anyway - because they are not books. First person to mention the term "audio-books" gets to meet my, hungry, pet Catachan Devil called Terrence <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220244-how-and-when-will-it-all-end/page/2/#findComment-2632277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrike2214 Posted January 24, 2011 Author Share Posted January 24, 2011 I do like some of the audio dramas though Garro was informatavie aswell as Ravens Flight, but i suppose they dont realy count but still theres already close to 20 books and with still a few legions yet to have a book (Salamanders, White Scars and Blood Angels) i can see it going beyond 30. Like i said in the opener im happy its going on beyond what i thought they are very good books i would be happy if they kept it on as a sub genera of 40,000 so you would have HH era books and 40.000 era books Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220244-how-and-when-will-it-all-end/page/2/#findComment-2632290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 I think 30 is too many right now but it depends how the series develops. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220244-how-and-when-will-it-all-end/page/2/#findComment-2632294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashe Darke Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 I think 30 is too many right now but it depends how the series develops. Yeah. It all hinges on the quality of the new material that is being written for the unrecorded period of the heresy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220244-how-and-when-will-it-all-end/page/2/#findComment-2632305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrion Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Books specifically about the legions; Luna Wolves - 3 Dark Angels - 2 Space Wolves - 1(2) Thousand Sons - 1 (2) Word Bearers - 1 Emperors Children - 1 Alpha Legion - 1 18-7 = 11 books left, at least, to focus on the rest of the legions. In all liklihood the Dark Angels will get a third book anyway, and Calth may well be a two parter, giving the Word Bearers another book. So unless they double up on two legions in the same book, then with the filler books there will be at least another 20 books before we even get to the siege area. We've still got to read about the Blood Angels vs Khabanda, the Ultramarines at Calth, the ALpha Legion interception, the Dark Angels schism (or was that after the heresy?) and I'm sure I'm forgetting another fairly important event. This series will easily touch 40 books. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220244-how-and-when-will-it-all-end/page/2/#findComment-2632933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 I'd say Flight of the Eisenstein counts as the Death Guard book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220244-how-and-when-will-it-all-end/page/2/#findComment-2633049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hengist Ironfang Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Books we need are: Signus: Blood Angels:lays down the foundation for the black rage etc Calth: a pretty important event in the Heresy Nightlords: a book detailing the night lords legion would be good Siege needs to be told from the POV of loyalists and traitors in a simmillar vein to Galaxy in flames, fulgrim and FotE all interwoven stories with different points of views of the events theirin. Books i feel we dont need are: Deathguard: Already explained enough in the FotE World Eaters: A book would be cool but their reasons for turning are pretty clear cut Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220244-how-and-when-will-it-all-end/page/2/#findComment-2643456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candleshoes Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 This series will easily touch 40 books. I agree with this. We are at 20 installments at the moment, entering the light shedding phase on the darkest 7 years of the heresy. Even if they include a handful of new events during this time, as well as include some of the more documented events mentioned in the Index Astartes, you would already be pushing 30. Several BL authors have mentioned that the siege of Terra will be covered from multiple angles from multiple authors. When all that content is finally out, BL would be foolish not to include several books about the major topics that occur directly after the death of Hours, that really create the 40k world we recognize today. 40 books easily if not more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220244-how-and-when-will-it-all-end/page/2/#findComment-2643776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Uriah Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Books we need are: Signus: Blood Angels:lays down the foundation for the black rage etc Calth: a pretty important event in the Heresy Nightlords: a book detailing the night lords legion would be good Siege needs to be told from the POV of loyalists and traitors in a simmillar vein to Galaxy in flames, fulgrim and FotE all interwoven stories with different points of views of the events theirin. Books i feel we dont need are: Deathguard: Already explained enough in the FotE World Eaters: A book would be cool but their reasons for turning are pretty clear cut I agree with you on almost all of the above, but I think that AD-B's premise on a HH story about the World Eaters sounds extraordinary and hope very much it sees print. Additionally, a book about Calth, or the events leading up to it, would be great, as long as it either portrays both sides of the fight fairly... that's a tall order for most writers, though I will freely admit I was very pleased (and somewhat frightened, actually) about how much I empathised with the Word Bearers in The First Heretic. Unfortunately, the Ultramarines and Word Bearers are all too often the cookie-cutter Good Guys versus Bad Guys of the Astartes, and I think there needs is a balance to keep such a story from being the Super Friends versus the Legion of Doom. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220244-how-and-when-will-it-all-end/page/2/#findComment-2643855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space_Moron Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Technically It could end after the battle at the Palace of Terra but I can see them stretching beyond that or begin a new series where they tell the story of what happens immediately after the Emperor's slain and the loyalist must struggle to keep the devastated Imperium from fracturing. -Dan Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220244-how-and-when-will-it-all-end/page/2/#findComment-2650899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominicus Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I have only read up to Descent of Angels, but aside from that book, they were mostly very good. I look forward to reading more. 30+ would be too many books, and a portion of those books would be fillers, purely for the purpose of giving us words to stare at while they actually write a decent book. Hopefully, they give sever sly books over to loyalist and renegade views of the Battle for Terra and especially Horus' battle with the Emperor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220244-how-and-when-will-it-all-end/page/2/#findComment-2650956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 It won't bother me too much how many books there are in the HH series. I'd rather have 30+ books that show the HH well, from start to finish, than have HH "lite". Having books written by different authors is, to me, a good thing as it exposes me to many different writing styles. As someone who enjoys reading and wants to write decent stories, it only benefits me :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220244-how-and-when-will-it-all-end/page/2/#findComment-2651391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 It won't bother me too much how many books there are in the HH series. I'd rather have 30+ books that show the HH well, from start to finish, than have HH "lite". Having books written by different authors is, to me, a good thing as it exposes me to many different writing styles. As someone who enjoys reading and wants to write decent stories, it only benefits me :) Couldn't agree more. I'm used to reading long, epic series of books so numbers isn't really an issue for me. I'm far more interested in the content of them. As has been touched on earlier we've got certain books that a certainties to be published, those being: Signus Prime Deliverance Lost Calth (in whichever form it comes, whether as a WB or U perspective) The 3rd Dark Angels Novel The Siege of Terra x2 ( I say x2 because there it's far to big to have all the POV in 1 book) Thats 6 right there, and those are all but certain. Add to that the number of Legions who haven't had any substantial work about them ( I make it 6 which climbs to 8 if you accept the World Eaters and Imperial Fists not having a legion-centric novel so far, just appearances in others) Add to that the potential of other novels about legions who have already been covered (Alpha Legion, Space Wolves, Iron Hands, Death Guard [i think it would be cool if the DG being stranded in the Warp makes a short story or audiobook]) and also novels in the same mold as Nemesis and Mechanicum. I'd say 40 is the reasonable ball park figure at the moment, if only because I can foresee a hell of a backlash if all the legions are not covered by at least one novel or prominent roles in several others Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220244-how-and-when-will-it-all-end/page/2/#findComment-2652006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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