djoguit Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Hi young blood and long fangs alike. We came under an argument 2 weeks ago about my bloodclaws or any unit assaulting out of a LR Crusader. Your troops seems to block LOS of you hurricane bolters when disembarking and asaulting. As a personnal opinion, I find it would be totally acceptable to shoot hurricane bolters when my guys just came out even though they block LOS of the LR Crusader a bit. Otherwise I feel the Crusader looses its flavor on assault if it cannot rapid fire on targets you want to assault. Is there a rule I could refer myself to so I could shoot my Hurricane bolters after my unit comes out of the Crusader. I pray the Allfather for shooty goodness to purge the xenos. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220274-lr-crusader-and-assaulting/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkhan Fellblade Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Well i was going to respond with the answer to end all answers but I happen not to know the answer to this! Hjolda! I would like to know the answer as well. Edit: I finally got on my lazy butt and looked in my rule book. I appears that since it is your own model you can fire through it. However I could be wrong so clarification would be nice. Starkhan Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220274-lr-crusader-and-assaulting/#findComment-2629224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brannrik Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 you can normally deploy in such a way that your hurricane bolter can see the enemy. And if you can see it, oyu can shoot it! ok so far so good. But what about your own troops being in the way? Answer: you can shoot through them, but your opponent will receive a 4+ cover save.hf rapid firing your opponents units :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220274-lr-crusader-and-assaulting/#findComment-2629257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 You can't fire through your own troops without giving up potential cover saves (there is an exception for models in the SAME unit...LRC is different from the disembarked troops) If you have LOS then fire away! see BRB p.16 and p.21 Although...tactically speaking your BC pack shouldn't need help and you can target another unit instead and take advantage of POTMS for targetting games. For example...unload at an angle so all but 1 hurricane bolter are lined up on another unit. Then use POTMS for the other hurricane bolter that is not in LOS. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220274-lr-crusader-and-assaulting/#findComment-2629406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demonslayer Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 you can normally deploy in such a way that your hurricane bolter can see the enemy. And if you can see it, oyu can shoot it! ok so far so good. But what about your own troops being in the way? Answer: you can shoot through them, but your opponent will receive a 4+ cover save.hf rapid firing your opponents units :huh: I thought you only got a cover save if you shot through an enemy unit to hit the unit behind! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220274-lr-crusader-and-assaulting/#findComment-2629409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decoy Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 You can shoot through your own troops. Unless you're facing Eldar or Orks, the enemy is gaining no significant benefit from a 4+ cover save, and since the Assault Cannon and Melta are clearly above the heads of your troops, the enemy would not get a cover save. (True LoS ruling would disallow a cover save due to model height.) You can fire for full effect on whatever is in front of you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220274-lr-crusader-and-assaulting/#findComment-2629412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
djoguit Posted January 22, 2011 Author Share Posted January 22, 2011 Alright!!!! Thanks for the advice. Now I understand that that you can shhot them and some armies (just thinking MEQ) wont benefit from a cover save since they already have better. This info changes everything to me. Thank you so much So what's your order? Hem....I'll take a Crusader combo please...super size this with BC. .....extra Wolfpriest with that. Yes thank you! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220274-lr-crusader-and-assaulting/#findComment-2629550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulweih Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 And as we are the Sons of Russ, don't forget to add extra sprinklings of awesome sauce on top of the whole thing :) . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220274-lr-crusader-and-assaulting/#findComment-2629588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Son of Russ Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 No, not awesome sauce. You mean beat sauce. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220274-lr-crusader-and-assaulting/#findComment-2629818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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