HellChyld Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 hello All, I've hit a delima. I normally play chaos but being as the current chaos dex drives me crazy and I dont want to join the masses of chaos players using loyalist dexes to feild their armies I have decided to shelf my army and take a break from them. While a break from 40k in total might have been cool it drove my fiance crazy and she has told me in no special wording i either restart my hobby or die in my sleep so I have decided to return to a project I started back in 2007. I have always liked the aspect that if a wolf lord doesnt like the great wolf to become he can revoke his oath to the great wolf and take his great company on a crusade turning them effectively into a 13th company until either the wolf lord dies, the wolf lord returns and re swears his vow, Russ is found or the great company is completely destroyed on crusade never to be seen again. Back in 2007 I started one such great company I called the Shadow Wolves of Arawn Shadowmane. with the new wolves dex I think Arawn and his wolves would rock but what IA format should i use to show the changes the Shadow Wolves have under gone since leaving the fang. any ideas would be great as I am not really wanting to do a cut and paste of the space wolves IA and want to focus more on the Great Company aspect...... thanks in advance for any help Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220382-format-for-a-index-astartes/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 Just a few thoughts: 1) As a 13th Company that has not returned to the Fang in quite some time you would have few or no Blood Claws. So I would not take Blood Claw squads, Swiftclaws or Skyclaws. 2) The majority of your force would be Grey Hunters, Scouts and Long Fangs. Maybe a couple of Lone Wolves to signify the packs that have been lost while you have been on Crusade. 3) You'll have to decide for yourself about Dreadnoughts, Iron Priests, Rune Priests, and Wolf Priests as they are members of the Great Wolf's Company and assigned to individual Great Companies. 4) How many armored vehicles would you have? Have you been salvaging them from the field? Might have rhinos or razorbacks in the colors of different chapters (looking a bit damaged of course). Just what quickly comes to mind. :P Have fun! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220382-format-for-a-index-astartes/#findComment-2630636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 You may consider having a gander at Valerian's FanDex for the 13th: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...;showentry=6353 Going out on ones own means you are cutting yourself off from the logistical and supply/resupply networks in general. Heavy Support units will be few/far between if they truly exist at all. Maintenance and resupply of such things becomes more difficult and as I see it the Company would have to evolve into a "hit and run" or "stick and move" force. Scavenging and collecting ammo from the battlefields on their way out. Repairing and replacing damaged armor with what is available from the dead - be it friend or foe. THE 13th Company have Wulfen as troops choices due to the nature of the Warp and the milenia lost within. That is an option you may or may not choose for whatever reasons you determine. Choose what you will, but there is no reason you can't choose a Great Company within the fold - just of a different time period to allow for YOUR Wolf Lord to be in command rather than one of the 12 name3d Wolf Lords. Yours can be one at some time prior to the current or perhaps one down the line that has ascended to the position of command. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220382-format-for-a-index-astartes/#findComment-2630714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 The format in IA 9 might help you out. You could also use the standard IA format but cut out the sections that don't apply so much (Home World, for example). Honestly, there isn't really an established format for Great Companies and other sub-units: IAs are for Chapters. Just don't write something as long as the Space Wolves IA and you should be alright. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220382-format-for-a-index-astartes/#findComment-2630855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 You may consider having a gander at Valerian's FanDex for the 13th: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...;showentry=6353 Going out on ones own means you are cutting yourself off from the logistical and supply/resupply networks in general. Heavy Support units will be few/far between if they truly exist at all. Maintenance and resupply of such things becomes more difficult and as I see it the Company would have to evolve into a "hit and run" or "stick and move" force. Scavenging and collecting ammo from the battlefields on their way out. Repairing and replacing damaged armor with what is available from the dead - be it friend or foe. THE 13th Company have Wulfen as troops choices due to the nature of the Warp and the milenia lost within. That is an option you may or may not choose for whatever reasons you determine. Choose what you will, but there is no reason you can't choose a Great Company within the fold - just of a different time period to allow for YOUR Wolf Lord to be in command rather than one of the 12 name3d Wolf Lords. Yours can be one at some time prior to the current or perhaps one down the line that has ascended to the position of command. Depending on the resources they left with they may be able to still recruit from savage worlds they encounter. This would mean a Wolf Priest would also have to leave as they are assigned to a Great Wolf. Or if they just don't return, perhaps the wolf priest decides to stay with them. Wolf Priest would be present to collect geneseed so any force on campaign would have them unless they all died in battle. Honestly, there isn't really an established format for Great Companies and other sub-units: IAs are for Chapters. The 13th Company had a pretty good and detailed IA in White Dwarf during the EoT campaign. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220382-format-for-a-index-astartes/#findComment-2630932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 The 13th Company had a pretty good and detailed IA in White Dwarf during the EoT campaign. So they did. They're pushing being an independent Chapter, though. EDIT: No, really. There's a ridiculous number of them, they haven't been part of the Space Wolves since almost the Heresy, and they're pretty much completely independent in many aspects. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220382-format-for-a-index-astartes/#findComment-2631050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Although I have issues with the 13th fan dex...with a few tweeks and a bit of fore thought you should be able to construct a decent company FOC... as has been pointed out...armor will be limited unless yer scavenging from the field...you may even include a leman russ or two in yer list?? I would watch with the priesthood...limit it to maybe one and one with no IP supporting your force and some good background fluff to explain why they are with you and not in the fang with their brothers... lots of hunter packs and a couple of fang packs for sure...and yes definitely use lone wolves... maybe a single scout pack as these too are assigned from the Great Wolf but again you'll need a bit of creative fluff to establish their presence ...also as you would still have your body guard...a pack or two of WGTDA is possible... speeders as they would be crewed by hunters... dunno about bikes though as they would be claws riding them Just a bit of fore thought into it is all I would say is required and then go from there... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220382-format-for-a-index-astartes/#findComment-2631155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 maybe a single scout pack as these too are assigned from the Great Wolf but again you'll need a bit of creative fluff to establish their presence How do you figure that? Erik Morkai's Great Company has a larger compliment of Scouts than the other Companies according to the Codex. Scouts are NOT exclusive to the Great Wolf's Company to be detatched and deployed with other Companies as needed/deemed like the Priests and Dreads. I would watch with the priesthood...limit it to maybe one and one with no IP supporting your force and some good background fluff to explain why they are with you and not in the fang with their brothers... How else would they scavenge and be able to maintain vehicles of ANY kind without an IP? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220382-format-for-a-index-astartes/#findComment-2631162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellChyld Posted January 24, 2011 Author Share Posted January 24, 2011 thanks for the replies guys all this gives me something to think about. The quicky write up i had going for the IA so far had the great company coming back from a extended crusade when the wolf lord broke oath as it were. I planned on having a old wolf priest, a young wolf priest, a Iron priest with two aspirants and a wigged out rune priest who other then the young wolf priest all sat council with the wolf lord before the oath was broken. all of this council found their own reasons be it watching over their brothers souls, keeping them armoured to bring vengence on the enemy or just looking forward to the battle's to come to stand by Arawn Shadowmane. the Company scavenge armour from the battlefield from friend and enemy alike. I figured lots of hunters, fangs, scouts and wolf guard with a few lone wolves throw in. maybe a dreadnought. i'm not sure if the lord broke oath when logan became great wolf or if before logan's time. still more questions to answer floating around in my noggin. hopeing to have some test figures done up in the next week or so. thanks for any more advice before hand. keep the ideas coming.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220382-format-for-a-index-astartes/#findComment-2631269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 maybe a single scout pack as these too are assigned from the Great Wolf but again you'll need a bit of creative fluff to establish their presence How do you figure that? Erik Morkai's Great Company has a larger compliment of Scouts than the other Companies according to the Codex. Scouts are NOT exclusive to the Great Wolf's Company to be detatched and deployed with other Companies as needed/deemed like the Priests and Dreads. my bad you are correct ...change 956743 from the previous dex...maybe I need to spend more time reading and less time reading I would watch with the priesthood...limit it to maybe one and one with no IP supporting your force and some good background fluff to explain why they are with you and not in the fang with their brothers... How else would they scavenge and be able to maintain vehicles of ANY kind without an IP? Hmmm...lemme see Greyhunter armor crew...would they or would they not know how to effect battle field repairs on their vehicle in order to keep it running??...there's a question for everyone...change track?? swap out weaps??...PMCS??... and scavenging a vehicle from the battlefield..say an abandoned one would be simply getting in it and driving off...now scavenging simple parts like track and weaps and ammo I don't see why an IP would be needed...but then again maybe things have changed in 40K years and a crewman doesn't need to know anything about his vehicle...oh yes I forgot...it's that machine cult thing...ok better throw in an IP before GW and the rules lawyers have a fit Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220382-format-for-a-index-astartes/#findComment-2631813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 maybe a single scout pack as these too are assigned from the Great Wolf but again you'll need a bit of creative fluff to establish their presence How do you figure that? Erik Morkai's Great Company has a larger compliment of Scouts than the other Companies according to the Codex. Scouts are NOT exclusive to the Great Wolf's Company to be detatched and deployed with other Companies as needed/deemed like the Priests and Dreads. my bad you are correct ...change 956743 from the previous dex...maybe I need to spend more time reading and less time reading I would watch with the priesthood...limit it to maybe one and one with no IP supporting your force and some good background fluff to explain why they are with you and not in the fang with their brothers... How else would they scavenge and be able to maintain vehicles of ANY kind without an IP? Hmmm...lemme see Greyhunter armor crew...would they or would they not know how to effect battle field repairs on their vehicle in order to keep it running??...there's a question for everyone...change track?? swap out weaps??...PMCS??... and scavenging a vehicle from the battlefield..say an abandoned one would be simply getting in it and driving off...now scavenging simple parts like track and weaps and ammo I don't see why an IP would be needed...but then again maybe things have changed in 40K years and a crewman doesn't need to know anything about his vehicle...oh yes I forgot...it's that machine cult thing...ok better throw in an IP before GW and the rules lawyers have a fit Now, now, your confusing reality and 40K again. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220382-format-for-a-index-astartes/#findComment-2632015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 :huh: Doh! :P I fergot....I get confused sometimes...it must be that old age thing again... :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220382-format-for-a-index-astartes/#findComment-2632032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 :P Doh! :P I fergot....I get confused sometimes...it must be that old age thing again... :P Can't be. Age brings wisdom. :huh: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220382-format-for-a-index-astartes/#findComment-2632034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Wisdom does not equate to memory loss just to how gracefully you lose it...LMAO Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220382-format-for-a-index-astartes/#findComment-2632810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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