my first attempt at Renegade

[XKhalilX]

well im trying to work on my Steel Wyverns at the moment. And too not get extremely bored lookin at same ideas over and over again, I thought Id start some work on a renegade chapter.

 

Here are my two ideas:

 

a. My children of Eternity (see sig or librarium). I was thinking of having at some point (say around M38-M40), a group or company of the COE went renegade or Chaos. Can't think of an idea as to WHY, but I would love to model some Chaos inspired COE.

 

 

b. new DIY chapter: Their loyalist but because of their beliefs, they are excommunicated. Their belief is not only do they revere the good loyalist primarchs but also revere the "bad" traitor primarchs. Almost like a ying and yang feel/pantheist belief. So they are as likely to discuss the virtues of Sanguinius, Gulliman, Manus, Vulkan as they are to discuss Horus, Fulgrim, Lorgar, etc.

 

for choice B, I haven't thought of a founding, or a geneseed. just came to me today.

[Ferrata]

I would say Choice B is a much better path. With Choice A, you are attempting to shoehorn traitors into a complete chapter which I think will weaken both. You can always make some Chaos-CoE for the fun of it. Path B is interesting, although I would suggest attempting to make their fall their fault. Too many traitors are too nice and too much, well, good guys. You read the article and you support theme - you shouldn't. A really evil force should be hated and you should understand their choices in a twisted way, but in no way should you agree with them.

[XKhalilX]

with choice A maybe ill just make a warband, nothing too drastic, just for fun. Can call them something like Scions of the Infinite, and take some twisted belief in the Onissiah and the Eternity creed they were indoctrinated with as COE

 

choice B, Ferrata what do you mean making it their fault? How can I make them evil and twisted if they still revere the loyalist primarchs, and yet how can they be overtly good guys if they revere the fallen primarchs?

 

this one will take a lot of thought. i think gettin the reason and theme down first is far more important then discussing gene seed or founding. Maybe being an unknown geneseed however makes this transition to pantheist primarch worship more easy to do?

 

another thought, they could start down a loyalist path and fall by excommunication OR they could start as a large chaos warband and see some of the light in the good and be hunted out of the EOT. although the latter seems a little too far fetched.

[Brother Michaels]

a. My children of Eternity (see sig or librarium). I was thinking of having at some point (say around M38-M40), a group or company of the COE went renegade or Chaos. Can't think of an idea as to WHY, but I would love to model some Chaos inspired COE.

 

if u go with a then maybe you could say that the company's librarium was overpowerd by the warp/chaos gods and they decided to go rogue, killing any brothers who reject it and then you could say that they stole geneseed from a chapter or two

 

just a idea on the table

[XKhalilX]

michaels, i was thinking of having a Chaplain go rogue. or maybe both a librarian and a chaplain. Chaplains play a heavy role in the chapter in terms of their zealotry about the Machine God. Librarians tap into this belief as wel (see my sig for their link). Thing is, because there such an odd bunch of marines in terms of belief, I cant think of which Chaos god they would fall too? Maybe Tzeentch?

 

i think im gonna focus mostly on choice B, as it seems to be something i havent heard done before

[XKhalilX]

Background:

 

very tribal culture.

 

Founding:

 

I was thinking newer, since there is now way a chapter with a pantheist belief of all the primarchs would last long in the Imperium. Im thinking 23rd, 24th, or 25th. Or perhaps they are a much earlier founding and secretly practiced their pantheist primarch belief, and recently were discovered practicing said belief.

 

Geneseed:

 

honestly no clue at this point, i was leaning raven guard or white scars.

 

belief

 

all 20 (well really 18) primarchs are considered spiritual incarnations of the divinity of the Emperor. Within each of them is an aspect of the Emperor. His charisma, his warrior aspect, his wisdom, his tactical genius, his aggression, his wrath, his piety, his bloodlust, his compassion, his humanity, etc. None are above the other, all are equal, and all are to be revered for they are sons of the Emperor. The astartes will attempt to channel the engery of each through meditative ceremonies, calling for different aspects of the Emperor represented by a primarch.

[Ace Debonair]

I was thinking newer, since there is now way a chapter with a pantheist belief of all the primarchs would last long in the Imperium. Im thinking 23rd, 24th, or 25th. Or perhaps they are a much earlier founding and secretly practiced their pantheist primarch belief, and recently were discovered practicing said belief.

I like the earlier founding with secret primarch worship angle myself. :o

 

It might also be easier for them to find out about the pre-heresy days so they can find virtues to apply to the traitor primarchs if they're an earlier founding.

 

Heck, they could start out just worshipping the loyalists, and be stunned when they learn that there was more to the traitors than 'hey, I'm an evil so-and-so'. Then they could eventually decide they represented other aspects of the Emperor's personality or something.

[Malthe]

If you want to go with the pantheon theme, I suggest you take the Lovecraftian approach.

Your chapter is founded like usual and someone in the Librarium or Reclusiam develops an unhealthy interest in the traitor primarchs.

After all, how could the Heresy have been so horrible if they were all a bunch of weaklings, and how could the Great Crusade have been so terrific if they were all a bunch of evil traitors?!

Or maybe some one suggest that the strategies and tactics of the heretic legions be studied in an effort to best the renegades of .M41?

Then the librarian/chaplain/scout instructor (the option I favour the most!) suddenly realize that the traitor primarchs were a fantastically talented lot and begins respecting them for the great warriors and leaders they were.

And this is were it gets iffy...

Most knowledge concerning the Heresy is either lost, censored or propaganda. This means that in order to better understand the traitors that your Bad Seed begins to venerate, he needs to get his hands on some forbidden knowledge.

Maybe the chapter recovers a data-slate during the purging of a space hulk or ancient Imperial World, maybe another artifact of some kind, maybe your Bad Seed steals it from the Inquisition or the Adeptus Mechanicus (again I prefer this last option), no matter what the forbidden knowledge is censored for a reason, and your poor Bad Seed is slowly corrupted by Chaos.

Being the important person that he is, he starts a schism within the chapter ending in inter-chapter war.

Of course the corrupt worshippers of Chaos win, flees from Inquisitorial retribution, and voila, you have your chaos warband!

 

With regards to founding:

I would suggest a late founding, mostly for the reason you state yourself. Given a long enough period of time and some one is going to notice that you don't think Horus was such a bad guy.

Also an unestablished chapter should be easier to corrupt than one with thousands of years tradition and experience, I presume.

 

Gene-seed:

Well I would suggest Ultramarine.

In my eyes Robute's guys are the only ones who would ever be sensible enough to actually study something that hasn't been tradition for ten thousand years.

And two thirds of all chapters are of his lineage, or something like that, so there is a measure of probability in that choice as well!

Also they seem very bookish, and old books are quite in the spirit of my suggestion :lol:

 

And you don't need to go White Scars just because you want them to be tribal, plenty of other chapters could be described as tribal.

Come to think of it... why do you want the to be tribal?

 

Some things to consider :devil:

[XKhalilX]

Malthe, thanks for the C & C.

 

Its not that I want them to be Chaos Worshippers. But that they rebel for revering the Fallen Primarchs as well. I was thinking of them viewing the "fall" as possibly something the Emperor predicted and LET happen to test mankind one final time before the "final battle" when his sons will return to him and vanquish chaos. They simply "turned to the dark side" to truly understand its inner workings. That everything was orchestrated for this final outcome. Although that may be far fetched?

 

Well the tribal feel because pantheism is traditionally found in "tribal" societies and not in "modern" worldviews. Although I could take a more Greco-Roman view....

 

you and ace both bring up good reasons for either an early founding (ace) or newer founding (you). Im a bit unsure which to go on.

 

i cant even think of a name or color scheme. im purely working on the idea alone LOL.