MaveriK Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 We know that during the second great hunt, our primarch's armour was found at the temple of Horus on Rudra. My question is, why do you think it was left there on an altar? I'm interested in some of your theories as to why. If Russ was/is still alive when his armour was left behind, why would he go without that protection? did he find a better armour? was it left there intentionally? our fluff doesn't say anything more... even if it was even damaged. But we do know Russ still has his sword. My theory is he turned into a wulfen beast. But I'd like to hear your ideas. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220524-russs-armour/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
lothbrok Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 personally i beleive that Russ decided that it was way to easy to smack around bloodthirsters and deamon princes in his armor so he gave them a fighting chance (however slight) just to make it more sporty. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220524-russs-armour/#findComment-2632585 Share on other sites More sharing options...
muadib02 Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 He Totally left it as an offering, and turned into a wulfen/daemon prince of Khorne. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220524-russs-armour/#findComment-2632595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkhan Fellblade Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 We know that during the second great hunt, our primarch's armour was found at the temple of Horus on Rudra. My question is, why do you think it was left there on an altar? I'm interested in some of your theories as to why. If Russ was/is still alive when his armour was left behind, why would he go without that protection? did he find a better armour? was it left there intentionally? our fluff doesn't say anything more... even if it was even damaged. But we do know Russ still has his sword. My theory is he turned into a wulfen beast. But I'd like to hear your ideas. Just wondering but where did you find this info? Starkhan Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220524-russs-armour/#findComment-2632602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Johnson the 3rd jr Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 He is still wearing his real armor. The armor at the temple is a fake, a forgery. Like the Shroud of Turin, you know? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220524-russs-armour/#findComment-2632615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphus Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 I would like to think he left it behind rather than discard it. Temple of Horus do you say? hmmm, maybe as a ward against chaos? ( I know nothing of this temple though so could be completely wrong) Perhaps as a :devil: you to chaos, i dunno...but that's why you started this, to get people's thoughts ;) The Wolfen thing is a possibility... Wait a moment... Codex: Space Wolves, pg 28---"Listen but closely my brothers, for my life's breath is all but spent. there shall come a time far from now when our chapter itself is dying, EVEN AS I AM NOW DYING..." :lol: :lol: ;) What if the Wolfen in Russ was slowly taking over, with the stress of keeping it at bay draining him! Knowing the only way to preserve himself to aid his chapter at the end of the universe, he travels to the Eye with his trusted guard and leaves his armour as a ward in the temple...and lets the Wolfen have free range. As for his sword...my guess would be somewhere to stop chaos. If he has let himself go, I doubt that a bipedal Wolf-man would be able to hold a sword in his paws...but the folks at Blizzard Entertainment have some thing to say on that ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220524-russs-armour/#findComment-2632619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted January 25, 2011 Author Share Posted January 25, 2011 We know that during the second great hunt, our primarch's armour was found at the temple of Horus on Rudra. My question is, why do you think it was left there on an altar? I'm interested in some of your theories as to why. If Russ was/is still alive when his armour was left behind, why would he go without that protection? did he find a better armour? was it left there intentionally? our fluff doesn't say anything more... even if it was even damaged. But we do know Russ still has his sword. My theory is he turned into a wulfen beast. But I'd like to hear your ideas. Just wondering but where did you find this info? Starkhan pg 47. Codex: Space Wolves (2nd Edition) --EDIT-- 2nd Edition Codex, or what we greybeards consider as the wolf fluff bible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220524-russs-armour/#findComment-2632644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpsilver Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 He may have left it for a variety of reasons. Turned into a Wulfen-beast. Damaged/Faulty Left it as a reminder he's still alive and kicking? Left it because he fought he was better off without it? Personally I think because he left under such miscellaneous circumstances he left it as a reminder to his Brothers that he's still alive. He is somewhere, doing something. I don't think such a figure such as Leman Russ would turn into a Wulfen. Although, that's not saying he couldn't, just I think it wouldn't happen. I like to think his disappearance has something more to it than just a man gone wild. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220524-russs-armour/#findComment-2632721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted January 25, 2011 Author Share Posted January 25, 2011 do you think its possible for a primarch like Russ to revert back to his human form when he... lets say does/did turn into a wulfen? if anyone could turn back, Russ would since he is in theory ground zero for the gene seed. At least I would think so. Compared to normal space wolves who do succumb are doomed as a beast. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220524-russs-armour/#findComment-2632727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanyPrawny Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 I LIke to think russ could and did transform to and from wolf/wulfen. He lands on fenris, finds wolves turns wolf gets raised by them and becomes the alpha. Then man comes along so he changes back to 'human' and becomes their alpha. Obviously he can't go changing too and from coz it would weird people out so he stays in his human form, becomes primarch, wears armour etc. After going into the eye he realises he can now change back into his wolf state with no question and wreak bloody havok amongst the heretics so ditches the armour. Its abit 'out there' but its an appealing thought for me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220524-russs-armour/#findComment-2632731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 I've always believed the simplest answer - Russ said he was dying, so he died. At some point the foul minions of Chaos recovered his armour in the Eye of Terror and took it to an appropriate place to keep it on display. Now, just because he died, don't think that this in any way diminishes the awesome that is our Primarch. The fact that he promised to come back anyway makes him far more appealing/cool in my book than if he just turned into a slavering beast and wandered off. Regards, Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220524-russs-armour/#findComment-2632749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted January 25, 2011 Author Share Posted January 25, 2011 legend do say that Russ can walk in between the worlds of the living and the dead! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220524-russs-armour/#findComment-2632761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zynk Kaladin Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 He got drunk and misplaced it just like his spear. Russ has a bad habit of losing his things... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220524-russs-armour/#findComment-2632779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godhead Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 It's an obscure clue and an offering for a man mourning a lost brother and an message that says he's coming for chaos perhaps? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220524-russs-armour/#findComment-2632838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon950 Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 I would think that since not all the members of the 13th company who went after the thousand sons have tunred into wulfen then russ would be able to control himself. Does he have the canix helix? I think that he left the armor on the planet and went into the warp to find the tree of life, or whatever it's called. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220524-russs-armour/#findComment-2632858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 He is the rag-covered wanderer who guides the 13nth company through the warp during the final days of the 13nth black crusade. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220524-russs-armour/#findComment-2632883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clanfield Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 he knows that even a primarch will die at some point he understands what dorn has done ,johnson is missing and he has no wish to rule the imperium as the last primarch alive ,corax/vulkan have also disapeared khan disapears into the webway chaseing the dark eldar (which they have no record of in there codex hmmmm) russ joins his brothers, remember the vail between worlds is weaker in the eye and in the warp time travels diferantly to real space he awaits the wolftime plain and simple he will be there at the end of times ...other wise how could he apear in a "dreams"to the great wolf or runepriest to inicate a great hunt. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220524-russs-armour/#findComment-2632927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulweih Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Another thought....he didn't wander off alone, he went in the company of 11 Wolflords. Maybe his armor had a malfunction or what I like to think he left it as the end point for a great hunt. Eventually one of those Wolflords died with red snow under him, so Russ started to wear his armor out of sentiment. I like to think an Astartes Primarch was given more then one armor. There's the casual one he always wears during the heresy, which we found. But there's still his second one he never cared to wear before, because of reasons unknown to us. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220524-russs-armour/#findComment-2632971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 legend do say that Russ can walk in between the worlds of the living and the dead! ....so his armor was shed when he transcended into the ethereal realm. He exists in the "DreamTime" and appears to those worthy such as the Priests of the Chapter. He will once again exist physically, to re-emerge into the material realm........in the WolfTime. He was dying from one existence to be reborn into another. Not to draw too close a corelation to the writings of Tolkien, but the race of beings that includes Gandalf go through this very process. Since the creation of the 40K universe is within the confines of the same national origins, it isn't too far a stretch to think that had 'some' kind of influence in the development of the lore within. I'm fine with that, really. As to the exacts of how and why and when his eventual return may be, well that IS completely up to GW now isn't it? If they don't say, then the best we can do is speculate, now isn't it? There are HUGE gaps within many elements of the canon fluff. That is a fact. On one hand it leads directly into the perpetuation of the GW money making machine as they can take forever to fill in all the blanks. On the other hand, it plays into the "mysteries of the universe" theme that can be applied to ANY religion and let's face it, the general structure within the 40K universe is based on religious and dogmatic factions of many variations - there is no direct or knowable answer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220524-russs-armour/#findComment-2632972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Should be noted- the land of the dead is quite literally the warp. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220524-russs-armour/#findComment-2632987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 He got drunk and misplaced it just like his spear. Russ has a bad habit of losing his things... It's a fair one - one of his wolf guard must have called naked bar Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220524-russs-armour/#findComment-2632999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Immortals Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 I always assumed it was left as an indicator of what he had done there (presumably clearing and claiming the temple for the emperor) and as a challenge for anyone able to come find him. Ive always guessed that he was travelling the stars or watching his sons, of course that was way before the 13th company was described in any detail (and when it was, my entire chaos/rebel SW army of 2nd ed was made redundant) and that intead of just dying, he set out to ill the baddest thing he coul dfind. Of course, im BA so what would i know? lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220524-russs-armour/#findComment-2633024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 I think it's more or less confirmed that the "rag covered wanderer" alluded to in the 13th Black Crusade that Grey Mage refers to was Russ, so there's a pretty good guess that he's still alive and kicking. I'd say Russ has gone full circle - he is now fully channelling Odin, who often travelled as a robed wanderer to impart wisdom and steer events in the mortal world whilst remaining hidden in plain sight. Sound familiar? Oh, the Emperor did that too... perhaps linking to the myth that he hunts for the World Tree to restore his fallen father. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220524-russs-armour/#findComment-2633067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaitoc Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Russ is clearly dead! A warrior culture like the Space Wolves embrace death, and when their existance lack meaning, death is the only thing they crave. Death through glorious battle and war. Russ left his chapter to seek out the biggest bas@$$ he could find, someone worthy of killing him. It was probably a good death, and they should all be proud that he lead by example right to the end! For when the imperium doesn't need the Space Wolves, they know what to do! Unleash the full fury of the chapter against a worthy opponent, and fight to the end! The best ending for a primarch EVER! If they die fighting, they'll come to a place of meat- eating, beer- drinking and endless fighting! We scandinavians call it Valhall ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220524-russs-armour/#findComment-2633071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 We know that during the second great hunt, our primarch's armour was found at the temple of Horus on Rudra. My question is, why do you think it was left there on an altar? I'm interested in some of your theories as to why. If Russ was/is still alive when his armour was left behind, why would he go without that protection? did he find a better armour? was it left there intentionally? our fluff doesn't say anything more... even if it was even damaged. But we do know Russ still has his sword. My theory is he turned into a wulfen beast. But I'd like to hear your ideas. Just wondering but where did you find this info? Starkhan pg 47. Codex: Space Wolves (2nd Edition) --EDIT-- 2nd Edition Codex, or what we greybeards consider as the wolf fluff bible. The younger pups haven't had that opportunity Brother...we elders have the obligation to show them the folly of their omission... As for Father Russ...it has been noted in a recent rediscovery of mine that the Primarchs were not immortals...and had a life span of somewhere around 1400 years...( I will edit the post when I find the GW article again) now it is a fact that it has been near 7 times that length in turns and that the only way for Russ to have 'lived on' is for him to have entered the EoT where time and space matter little...most undoubtedly looking for his lost packs...we all know our beloved father was ever so fond of his children... My theory is that knowing he was 'dying' and after leaving our home he became weary of the burden his armored laid upon him so he cast it off...donned a simple shroud and took up his sword...he stalks the void seeking out his lost packs and his brother primarchs and waits for the end time when he shall return...by his own words... Until that time we may speculate and theorize but only Father Russ and the Allfather know the truth of it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220524-russs-armour/#findComment-2633300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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