Generating Random Name... Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Deleted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220593-the-emperors-paladins/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 The Red Corsairs are not based in the Eye of Terror, and they weren't even known as the Red Corsairs in M35 (and the Astral Claws, who became the Red Corsairs only in recent history weren't founded until mid M35). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220593-the-emperors-paladins/#findComment-2633560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generating Random Name... Posted January 25, 2011 Author Share Posted January 25, 2011 Thankyou, Research fail :D Â Can you suggest a possible chaos group instead, or should i just be vague? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220593-the-emperors-paladins/#findComment-2633597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Just say Chaos in general, you don't need them focused on any particular group. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220593-the-emperors-paladins/#findComment-2633604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generating Random Name... Posted January 25, 2011 Author Share Posted January 25, 2011 Ok thanks, will put up a new(er) version in a sec... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220593-the-emperors-paladins/#findComment-2633610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shiny One Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 The rest seems ok fluff wise, but there missing an individual spark. As you elaborated only the homeworld section, you can start and tell us how the homeworld influences the character of the chapter or how the marines interact with the inhabitants... Â And making the geneseed unknown is always a bad idea in the liber, the chapters always know were they came from. There are only a few like the blood ravens, but they have a story why they dont know and there hole character is build around the idea, that they want to know. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220593-the-emperors-paladins/#findComment-2633612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generating Random Name... Posted January 25, 2011 Author Share Posted January 25, 2011 I only really did that because i was unsure about which founding chapter i wanted to follow on from. Â I also think the rest of the vagueness is my lack of imagination. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220593-the-emperors-paladins/#findComment-2633618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Handy way to build a Chapter?  Make A List  Bullet point all the things you like or dislike, all the things you want to include or avoid, in your Chapter and build from there.. I did so with the Imperial Reavers IA, in my sig, which is going well for me (until Mr Stompy gets hold of it, anyway). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220593-the-emperors-paladins/#findComment-2633622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generating Random Name... Posted January 25, 2011 Author Share Posted January 25, 2011 Ok, thanks will maybe do that in a sec, just wondering Salamanders successors? I'm pretty sure i read there hav't been any but it might have been another one. I know about Raven guard thingy and SW aswell  Doesn't matter just read your Imperial Reavers one :D cheers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220593-the-emperors-paladins/#findComment-2633627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Ok, thanks will maybe do that in a sec, just wondering Salamanders successors? I'm pretty sure i read there hav't been any but it might have been another one. I know about Raven guard thingy and SW aswell  No known Sallies successors, there are at least two that are speculated to be though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220593-the-emperors-paladins/#findComment-2633631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shiny One Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 The Salamanders have successors but not as many, but you could use them, I think this could work very well. As they People supply them with minerals they could have a focus on forging there own CCweapons for the vanguard. just a thought. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220593-the-emperors-paladins/#findComment-2633635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generating Random Name... Posted January 25, 2011 Author Share Posted January 25, 2011 One of my origional notes while i was making this was "Armour Improvement encouraged" so i thought salamanders... hence the mineral rich stuff, but i think i got scared and scrapped it. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220593-the-emperors-paladins/#findComment-2633638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 The Salamanders have successors but not as many... Â Incorrect; Successors speculated upon, but none confirmed. Â Â One of my origional notes while i was making this was "Armour Improvement encouraged" so i thought salamanders... hence the mineral rich stuff, but i think i got scared and scrapped it. :D Â I wouldn't call it "improvement" because to the Adeptus Mechanicus that would be too much like tampering. Â What ideas do you have that you want to incorporate into the IA for the Chapter? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220593-the-emperors-paladins/#findComment-2633643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generating Random Name... Posted January 25, 2011 Author Share Posted January 25, 2011 I wouldn't call it "improvement" because to the Adeptus Mechanicus that would be too much like tampering. Â Wasn't really thinking imporvement as changing the basic stuff about the armour, spose it more be customisation. Â IA for the Chapter? Â Sorry, what does IA mean - Index Astartes? Â Incorrect; Successors speculated upon, but none confirmed. So is a sallies successor out of the question? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220593-the-emperors-paladins/#findComment-2633654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shiny One Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Yes IA means Index Astares and you can make them Salamanders successors, why not? The Salamanders are only a very small chapter, and therefor have not the time to build successors i guess. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220593-the-emperors-paladins/#findComment-2633672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generating Random Name... Posted January 25, 2011 Author Share Posted January 25, 2011 What ideas do you have that you want to incorporate into the IA for the Chapter? Â Well in that case i was thinking i really liked the Sallies idea of better wargear, and everyone is encouraged look after thier stuff. I also wanted them to favour CQC, hence the vanguard. Â I'm still unsure how i justify having a tiny scout company, and what the downsides would be... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220593-the-emperors-paladins/#findComment-2633684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 What ideas do you have that you want to incorporate into the IA for the Chapter? Â Well in that case i was thinking i really liked the Sallies idea of better wargear, and everyone is encouraged look after thier stuff. I also wanted them to favour CQC, hence the vanguard. Â I'm still unsure how i justify having a tiny scout company, and what the downsides would be... Â My Imperial Reavers were formed and led by the very fiction Captain Du'shaal, Salamanders Seventh Company :P Â Better wargear isn't a Sallies thing, most of the fiction points to the fact it is more customised or that an individual is likely to have had a part in crafting his weapons. Â Close combat.. of what kind? The slow and relentless grind of something like trench warfare? Or the fast and hard blitzkrieg style? Â Smaller Tenth Company: slower to replace large losses, meaning a Company could spend more time out of the action or fighting under strength. Conversely, you could say - if you tie in the trench warfare style - that their losses means that they go through recruits at a high rate, the Tenth being small because they are always being drawn into the Chapter proper. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220593-the-emperors-paladins/#findComment-2633695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generating Random Name... Posted January 25, 2011 Author Share Posted January 25, 2011 My Imperial Reavers were formed and led by the very fiction Captain Du'shaal, Salamanders Seventh Company :P  So i could make someone up and say they were chosen to take command?  Better wargear isn't a Sallies thing, most of the fiction points to the fact it is more customised or that an individual is likely to have had a part in crafting his weapons.  I was just reading the Codex: Spacemarines and it said something like "as each battle brother has access to far superior wargear than a Space Marine in another Chapter might. "  Close combat.. of what kind? The slow and relentless grind of something like trench warfare? Or the fast and hard blitzkrieg style?  Was thinking more Hard and fast  Smaller Tenth Company: slower to replace large losses, meaning a Company could spend more time out of the action or fighting under strength. Conversely, you could say - if you tie in the trench warfare style - that their losses means that they go through recruits at a high rate, the Tenth being small because they are always being drawn into the Chapter proper.  Thanks, will try to work this in without stealing all you stuff ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220593-the-emperors-paladins/#findComment-2633701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 My Imperial Reavers were formed and led by the very fiction Captain Du'shaal, Salamanders Seventh Company :P  So i could make someone up and say they were chosen to take command?  Basically.. Explain it well and there's no reason why not.  Better wargear isn't a Sallies thing, most of the fiction points to the fact it is more customised or that an individual is likely to have had a part in crafting his weapons.  I was just reading the Codex: Spacemarines and it said something like "as each battle brother has access to far superior wargear than a Space Marine in another Chapter might. "  Here I'll disagree with the Codex, because it makes less sense than what I said but.. * shrug*  Close combat.. of what kind? The slow and relentless grind of something like trench warfare? Or the fast and hard blitzkrieg style?  Was thinking more Hard and fast  Bear in mind that if you go Sallies as the gene-heritage, then you need to expect a certain impact that their history and experiences of warfare will have on the Chapter.  Smaller Tenth Company: slower to replace large losses, meaning a Company could spend more time out of the action or fighting under strength. Conversely, you could say - if you tie in the trench warfare style - that their losses means that they go through recruits at a high rate, the Tenth being small because they are always being drawn into the Chapter proper.  Thanks, will try to work this in without stealing all you stuff ;)  Steal away, ol' son, I don't own this and - I have sinced learned - to keep the really good stuff to myself ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220593-the-emperors-paladins/#findComment-2633706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generating Random Name... Posted January 25, 2011 Author Share Posted January 25, 2011 Basically.. Explain it well and there's no reason why not.  This will probably stick in my head forever! ;)  I was just reading the Codex: Spacemarines and it said something like "as each battle brother has access to far superior wargear than a Space Marine in another Chapter might. " Here I'll disagree with the Codex, because it makes less sense than what I said but.. * shrug*  I've heard quite a few times that just because it's in the odex doesn't mean it's true  Close combat.. of what kind? The slow and relentless grind of something like trench warfare? Or the fast and hard blitzkrieg style?  Was thinking more Hard and fast Bear in mind that if you go Sallies as the gene-heritage, then you need to expect a certain impact that their history and experiences of warfare will have on the Chapter.  So you would expect them to be slower, but i may say (when i get round to doin past battles) that they have foun the best way to fight thier enemies i CQC and have adapted accordingly  Smaller Tenth Company: slower to replace large losses, meaning a Company could spend more time out of the action or fighting under strength. Conversely, you could say - if you tie in the trench warfare style - that their losses means that they go through recruits at a high rate, the Tenth being small because they are always being drawn into the Chapter proper. Thanks, will try to work this in without stealing all you stuff ;)   Steal away, ol' son, I don't own this and - I have sinced learned - to keep the really good stuff to myself ;)  A wise move probably, and Thank you :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220593-the-emperors-paladins/#findComment-2633723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Was thinking more Hard and fast Bear in mind that if you go Sallies as the gene-heritage, then you need to expect a certain impact that their history and experiences of warfare will have on the Chapter.  So you would expect them to be slower, but i may say (when i get round to doin past battles) that they have foun the best way to fight thier enemies i CQC and have adapted accordingly  It also depends on the age of the Chapter.  The Why? is all. Explain why convincingly and the world of the Index Astartes is yours, though beware of Space Wolves Successors and latter-Founding Blood Angels successors, et al. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220593-the-emperors-paladins/#findComment-2633729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generating Random Name... Posted January 25, 2011 Author Share Posted January 25, 2011 I've founded them in the early half of M35 so i think that gives them plenty of time to mature into a combat style that fits. Â I have updated them but it needs more work as they still feel 2d to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220593-the-emperors-paladins/#findComment-2633739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 So far we know you want:  Salamanders Successor Close Combat-orientated  But what else? What sort of character will they have? Will they retain the Humanitarian aspects of the Sallies? If not, why not? What about interactions with other Imperial organisations? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220593-the-emperors-paladins/#findComment-2633751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generating Random Name... Posted January 25, 2011 Author Share Posted January 25, 2011 What sort of character will they have? Will they retain the Humanitarian aspects of the Sallies? If not, why not? Â Yes...Would this go in the Beliefs section? Â What about interactions with other Imperial organisations? Â Hmm, such as the inquisition? and the like Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220593-the-emperors-paladins/#findComment-2633756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrata Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Just to clear up the Salamander issue. The Salamanders have no known Second Founding chapters. Basically, after the Horus Heresy they were too beat up to split (a mix of Ivstaan and a bodged warp jump). Since then, they would have returned to normal size (they are slightly smaller but not by much) and would have had successor chapters. So, in short, Salamander successors are okay. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220593-the-emperors-paladins/#findComment-2633759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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