jolly rogers Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 so I play fallen DA and I read both descent and fall of angels. i like the second one alright. the first was... meh. whats next? Im leaning towards nemesis and flight of the einstine. which ones were your favorites and which ons sucked. and why? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220730-which-book-is-next/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 You should read Horus Rising. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220730-which-book-is-next/#findComment-2635688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vairocanum Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 i really liked the first heretic, its my favorite out of all the horus heresy books so far. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220730-which-book-is-next/#findComment-2635765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gv0zD Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 You should read the first trilogy - Horus Rising, False Gods and Galaxy in Flames. The Flight of the Eisenstein (not Einstein ;)) should be read after the first three books in the series. The major events of the earlier heresy are described there. Also other books relate to those events. The First Heretic, A Thousand Sons are also awesome books. Nemesis is a good one, too, at least in my opinion, however, there are some references to the first trilogy as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220730-which-book-is-next/#findComment-2635783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Why the hate against the DA books? I loved them, they really start to explain the heart of the 1st legion, where they came from and what made them, what influenced their outlook and philosophy. The Horus Heresy is not just about big battles, it's about the Legions, who they really where. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220730-which-book-is-next/#findComment-2635885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gv0zD Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Why the hate against the DA books? I loved them, they really start to explain the heart of the 1st legion, where they came from and what made them, what influenced their outlook and philosophy. The Horus Heresy is not just about big battles, it's about the Legions, who they really where. No one says that HH books should be just about battles. People don't like DoA for it is booooring... Consider The First Heretic: there are few battles described compared to other HH-books, but it is still a VERY exciting book to read. DoA on the contrary is not exciting at all. I found it very boring: the way the story is told, the long concentration on IMHO unnecessary things. The most exciting thing in the whole book was when Zahariel met the Keepers (or whatever those spirits were called), and even it contributed little to the whole picture of who DA were. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220730-which-book-is-next/#findComment-2635940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khestra the Unbeheld Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 The Horus Heresy is not just about big battles, it's about the Legions, who they really where. This. And I don't think it should even be limited to that. I've enjoyed that the series has taken us into viewpoints that aren't Astartes-centric, and I'm hoping there's more POVs that they'll explore the Heresy from. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220730-which-book-is-next/#findComment-2635970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 read the first four (4) books of the series in order. They are definitely the best of the entire series so far. Horus Rising, False Gods, Galaxy in Flames, Flight of the Eisenstein Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220730-which-book-is-next/#findComment-2636082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Why the hate against the DA books? I loved them, they really start to explain the heart of the 1st legion, where they came from and what made them, what influenced their outlook and philosophy. The Horus Heresy is not just about big battles, it's about the Legions, who they really where. No one says that HH books should be just about battles. People don't like DoA for it is booooring... Consider The First Heretic: there are few battles described compared to other HH-books, but it is still a VERY exciting book to read. DoA on the contrary is not exciting at all. I found it very boring: the way the story is told, the long concentration on IMHO unnecessary things. The most exciting thing in the whole book was when Zahariel met the Keepers (or whatever those spirits were called), and even it contributed little to the whole picture of who DA were. I didn't find DoA boring at all, I found it interesting and enjoyable. Maybe it's because I enjoy the classics, modern writing style is like modern movies, so much focus on action that people forget what plot is meant to be. To me (and many of my friends) DoA was what we wanted from a DA book, it had the feel and flavour of the Dark Angels. The only HH book I didn't like so far was Abyss. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220730-which-book-is-next/#findComment-2636175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gv0zD Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I didn't find DoA boring at all, I found it interesting and enjoyable. Maybe it's because I enjoy the classics, modern writing style is like modern movies, so much focus on action that people forget what plot is meant to be. You totally missed my idea. The point is not whether there's enough action or not, the point is how the book is written. I enjoyed reading dialogues in The First Heretic. The emotions and passion were conveyed, it kept me interested. Since TFH was the only book I referenced, can it be compare to "modern action plot-lacking" movies? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220730-which-book-is-next/#findComment-2636190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPetersson Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I would strongly recommend reading them all. And in the order they were released. Now everyone will like every book so don't listen to the nay sayers... Personally I found the DA books, First Heretic and Prospero Burns to be horrendously boring, but others obviously will have liked them... So read all of them and read them in chronological order (IMO)... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220730-which-book-is-next/#findComment-2636208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolly rogers Posted January 27, 2011 Author Share Posted January 27, 2011 MAN you guys are killing my wallet here! haha ok so i guess i should be asking which ones were bad?? so far its 1. battle for the abortion book 2. mechanicum.... i mean cmon, DoA was just.... like if a book doesnt have action in it, i at least want to get to know who the characters are. meaning the future fallen angels. i want to know what happened in their early life to cause them to behave the way they do. not much of that in there at all. i mean if you can think of an instance where you see these pivotal events in the story, think about it: it cant be that great. why? because none of us remember them. the saroshi conspiracy and the watchers were the best parts and even that was a little brief. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220730-which-book-is-next/#findComment-2636434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codicier Lucion Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 1. battle for the abortion book Why. If you're going to lower yourself to using the insults of a ten year old you could at least spare a couple of sentences explaining your problems with it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220730-which-book-is-next/#findComment-2636479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gv0zD Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 ok so i guess i should be asking which ones were bad?? so far its 1. battle for the abortion book 2. mechanicum.... While BftA was a mediocre book, Mechanicum was a one. Yes, it is written not from Astartes perspective, but it shows how Mars revolted, and, what\s even more important, it reveals the freat secret of Mechanicum. So it is no way a bad book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220730-which-book-is-next/#findComment-2636544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFather84 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I loved the first 5 of the series. I read them all in order and couldn't put the series down. I highly roccomend all of them. Lots of background fluff especially for the anyone just getting into the fluff aspect of the hobby. I thought Decent of Angels for the 3/4 of the book was fantastic but the end was very anti-climatic. I had read some where the writer was told it was getting too long and had cut it off and close it out(hince the two book). I am not sure of the validity of that, but considering the crappy end i would be inclined to agree. For me the series started to die off. I started to have a hard time getting into alot of the books. They are still cool but many of them are kinda slow. i am currently trying to push through the series. I will let you know how it goes. But if you are going to read the series as LPetersson says read them in order, they are better that way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220730-which-book-is-next/#findComment-2636578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 read the first four (4) books of the series in order. They are definitely the best of the entire series so far. Horus Rising, False Gods, Galaxy in Flames, Flight of the Eisenstein i think you should add Fulgrim to that list. The first 5 are really a set in my mind. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220730-which-book-is-next/#findComment-2636718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolly rogers Posted January 28, 2011 Author Share Posted January 28, 2011 1. battle for the abortion book Why. If you're going to lower yourself to using the insults of a ten year old you could at least spare a couple of sentences explaining your problems with it. i didnt read it, i posted this thread in order to decifer which book to buy next and the first 3 are coming up the most. but BftA specifically has come up so many times as one not to get. along with mechanicum. if you liked the book, then you are the minority. and its a funny joke. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220730-which-book-is-next/#findComment-2636966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 1. battle for the abortion book Why. If you're going to lower yourself to using the insults of a ten year old you could at least spare a couple of sentences explaining your problems with it. i didnt read it, i posted this thread in order to decifer which book to buy next and the first 3 are coming up the most. but BftA specifically has come up so many times as one not to get. along with mechanicum. if you liked the book, then you are the minority. and its a funny joke. I liked BftA a lot. We might be in the minority but then again maybe those who like it don't feel the drive to tell people. I think if Mhotep survives people may revisit the book. Some just to say how much crap it is that he lived but what ever. Now how crazy i sound you may never know...... unless you read it for your self. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220730-which-book-is-next/#findComment-2637188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethrion Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Mechanicum was good I thought. It revealed tons more about the Mechanicum and the war on Mars. Plus the revelations about the Emperor and his actions in getting Mars on side were great. As well as the info about the void dragon etc ... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220730-which-book-is-next/#findComment-2637204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Well, Mechanicum was a great novel as well. I found most of it enjoyable and most especially revealing. I only found the parts with the girl (i forgot her name) a bit boring although they are essential to the plot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220730-which-book-is-next/#findComment-2637495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Gladius Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 I have to admit from a small time warhammer fan coming into reading HH series, it has really grabbed my attention, I love the way that while 5 or 6 of the books really drive the story of the heresy along, others such as nemesis and mechanicum explore smaller more isolated events and explore some of the more niche aspects of the time. something i feel that would be missed if every book just followed on from each other and was purely mainline story. also some of the characters are immense, love the custodians, hence TFH is prob my favorite book. If it where up to me, i would read the first four in order, then possibly TFH and then just jump around the books and take it all in! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220730-which-book-is-next/#findComment-2637690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolly rogers Posted January 28, 2011 Author Share Posted January 28, 2011 I liked BftA a lot. We might be in the minority but then again maybe those who like it don't feel the drive to tell people. I think if Mhotep survives people may revisit the book. Some just to say how much crap it is that he lived but what ever. Now how crazy i sound you may never know...... unless you read it for your self. Mhotep?! hahaha like in the Mummy? no heres the thing. obviously there are groups of people who like like each individual book because it touches something that means alot to them in the 40k universe. I heard that the side characters like the loyalist thousand son? (ICBW) was cool. but they also said that the villans are moustache twirling bad guys and the ultra marines are cardboard cutouts. having read a couple bad 40k books in my time (warrior coven or w/e) its usually the case that the main plot is bad or at least tolerable but the side stories are great! lol maybe thats cuz the main plot is so terrible and the contrast between the two makes the side-story look that much better ha. either way. if you found a story that brought to life something you were wanting to see, the book maybe horrible but you liked it because its the only source you have to that chapter, characters etc. and thats totally fine Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220730-which-book-is-next/#findComment-2637871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codicier Lucion Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 i didnt read it, i posted this thread in order to decifer which book to buy next and the first 3 are coming up the most. but BftA specifically has come up so many times as one not to get. along with mechanicum. if you liked the book, then you are the minority. and its a funny joke. More than half of the people on these forums are willing to instantly lable anything as horrible unless it is written by Dan Abnett or an author blessed by him. With what most people say about the Black Library you need to actually read the novels to decide for yourself about them, save for the ones by the arch heretic CS Goto which are all bad. As a personal thought the reason most people didn't like it was likely because it wasn't like most of the other books. It didn't focus fully upon the Ultramarines legion or give away some sudden unknown secret about them or their primarch. It focused upon a series of previously unknown events and a group of overlooked heroes. Most of the book's actual content was focusing upon the relationship between marines from very different legions who repeatedly clashed in their ideologies, thoughts and were in conflict over the choices made. I'll keep this short but if you like Flight of the Eisenstein after you read it it's worth giving BftA a shot. It's not perfect but it's far from being the abomination people often say it is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220730-which-book-is-next/#findComment-2637957 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kged Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 I'm startled no-one has mentioned "Legion", which I thought was far and away the best yet. The plight of the Alpha Legion is so poignant (may they find His light), the human Army characters and their interaction with Astartes are very well done, and John Grammaticus is a real change of protagonist for the series. I'd like to read more of him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220730-which-book-is-next/#findComment-2638259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kharn_the_betrayer Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I will agree that Legion was one of my all time favorite books and I could not put it down. I've been reading them all in order since they started though due to some financial issues just got Nemesis back at the holidays. The only one I have ever had any issues with was Battle for the Abyss. It was not well done and the story could have been told so much better. The Word Bearers were not well portrayed (in comparison to the wonderful way Anthony Reynolds did, sorry A D-B I haven't read your HH book yet just need to get to it soon can't wait). I will admit the Dark Angel ones were a tad dry, and so was Mechanicum(sp) but that was due to the just odd story telling in the second book about the First Legion and the Ad Mech book told a necessary story just didn't do it as well as others. I have found the series very engaging overall with that one little blemish by Ben Counter. Other then that just read them all in order. As stated they reference the other books that came first a bit, so it does make them more enjoyable in order. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220730-which-book-is-next/#findComment-2638428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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