IA: Scions of the Infinite

[XKhalilX]

SYMBOL: Egyptian Scarab

Founded during the 35th millenium, The Scions of the Infinite are a proud and honorable chapter residing on the planet of Akkad on the border of the Southern Fringe and Segmentum Pacificus. They are a vastly unknown chapter, searching the Imperium and the regions outside its borders for knowledge they believe tells of the final war between mankind and the forces of xenos and chaos. They are a stubborn chapter, unwilling to share their discoveries with anyone outside their chapter with the exception of the Ad Mech, a few select chapters, and those who bear the geneseed of Ferrus Manus. This secretive nature has caused a rift between them and the Imperium, notably other astartes. Their detractors are quickly silenced upon seeing the noble Scions take to the field of battle, exuding bravery and upmost loyalty for the Emperor of Mankind.

The Scions of the Infinite were born in a time still effected from the aftermath of the Horus Heresy. Created in the 35th Millenium, the memories of the traitor Horus and the fallen sons of the Emperor were still ripe in the minds of the Imperium. The Lords of Terra having established themselves in the absence of the Emperor, now residing on the Goldren Throne in a stasis, waiting once again to rise and conquer the stars. Knowing what resided to the north in the Segmentum Obscurus, The Imperium desired its boundaries to further expand in the Eastern and Southern Fringes. Only be expanding and securing its borders, could mankind survive and thrive and become the dominant force in the universe the Emperor had hoped for.

It was a time of great suffering and immense fear. It was a time to revive glory and honor into a universe so wrought with human suffering so desperate for salvation. It was a time that the Scions of the Infinite were born from the ashes of a galaxy in hell....

The Scions were created from the geneseed of the mysterious Children of Eternity. A chapter created out of the gene lines of the martyred Primarch, Ferrus Manus. The Children were created in the 32nd millenium to protect the Altruia sector near the Eastern Fringe. They had strained relations with the Iron Hands and were known to be extremely reclusive in nature. They were however, noted for their loyalty towards the Imperium, and their protection of forgeworlds throughout the sector and the Ultima Segmentum. Despite their reclusiveness, their name was spreading amongst the Imperial worlds of the Ultima Segmentum and the High Lords felt such loyalties could be used throughout other vital areas of the Imperium.

High Master Valgan Akares of the Children of Eternity was asked by the High Lords to send a training cadre of his astartes to train a new chapter in the Southern Fringes. So far from their realm of operations, High Master Akares was hesitant to stretch his astartes so far for no reason but exploration of the Southern Fringe, all the while trying to train a new line of battle brothers under the gene-seed of Ferrus Manus. However, fate would soon force Akares' hand as the Segmentum would supply all the reasons his chapter would need to gain a foothold in the sector of space known as the Larsa region in the Southern Fringe.

Rheus Amandon, Master of the 3rd Company and a member of the Omnitepha, was to comand the expedition fleet. His name was known amongst the chapter as a warrior-philosopher, deeply contemplative and stoic in his approach in matters of war. In the face of uncertainty, he was the Master that Akares needed to get the job done.

One hundred marines under the command of Master Amandon, comprised of several of the Children's battle companies arrived in the region, uncertain of their fates so far from their homeworld. High Master Akares was explicit in telling his astartes to remain in the region until they were to be called back. His leadership was firm and unyielding, leading his men for over three centuries. The astartes obeyed Akares without question, yet few saw the reason behind such a far distant exploration. Trajan Elgir was one of those few who saw the signs. An epistolary in the chapter's librarium, he was a close friend of Master Amandon and his constant vigil of counsel and guidance on countless wars the two had participated in since being inducted as astartes from the same scout squad. Like his close friend, Elgir was a priori member of the Omnitepha, a Magi of the Order, and believed the words of the first Chief Librarian Mahavajra, were still echoed as prophecy for all time. He sensed the exploration of the southern fringes would bring about magnanimous changes within the chapter and the Imperium itself. For good or bad he was unsure, but as a Magi of the Omnitepha, his duty was to seek the knowledge of the All Machine wherever it may lead him.

within months of reaching the region, the expedition fleet of the Ad Mech accompanied by the Children of Eternity began encountering human worlds lost in Old Night. Many seemed to revert to primitive cultures. How the Machine God was found within these feral societies Master Amandon was unsure. His questions were answered upon reaching the planet of Akkad.

Upon planetfall, the Children found a world of enormous sand dunes, as tall as any mountain, stretching like world oceans found on Old Terra. The people lived in a highly technological society, built on STC designs long lost to the Imperium of Man.

Scouts had reported strange monolithic pyramid structures at the heart of the cities, where the people seemed to encircle them like clockwork every third hour, bowing and praying to the pyramid like some god of old. While revering technology was not blasphemous to the Children, these pyramid structures spoke of an alien civilization long extinct or deserted.

Several cities mimicked the same landscape as what seemed to be the capital city. General Fabricator Maedos of Altruiax was heading the fleet expedition and summoned Master Amandon and Librarian Elgir to accompany him into the heart of the city alongside his skitarii.

The people looked on in what Amandon determined was both awe and fear. They reached the pyramid in the center of the city, and the guards of the pyramid sanctuary approached them. They crossed their power glaives and allowed the expedition party to enter the pyramid grounds.

Upon entrance Maedos bionic eye whirled to zoom in on the intricate details of the inner sanctum. While no expert in pictal deciphering, Amandon could see the imagery representing the Emperor of Mankind. Amandon was always amazed at how the Emperor was portrayed, how his effulgence always shown like the stars. Amandon and Elgir recited the Litany of the All Machine in deep reverence for the technological wonders they were experiencing.

Within the Inner sanctum rose a majestic throne, encased in gold, emeralds, and rubies. Upon the majestic throne sat the ruler of the world, an elder king with bionical replacements that have kept in power for what could amount to hundreds of years. He rose to greet the party and spoke with a gritty mechanical voice:

"I am Logis Marus Kruhl. I have sat upon this throne, upon this world for nearly 600 years. I have waited long for the Ad Mech. You have come. I have much to discuss with you my Lord Fabricator."

The Scions of the Infinite were created from the geneseed of the Children of Eternity, astartes under the bloodlines of Primarch Ferrus Manus, the spirit of the Emperor, the Archetype of Man, The Omnitep of Salvation.

Akkad is situated on the border of the Ultima Pacficus and the Souther Fringe. The world is a vastly arid planet, a landscape of cascading dunes and jagged, rocky framents of ancient mountain ranges, now devoured by the sands of time.

The population are mostly a nomadic culture with several major cities situated on opposite ends and corners of the world. The chapter's fortress monastary resides on the planet's largest city of Neintara. Here, the monolitic pyramid of the astartes stretches to the very sky, a structure of megalithic proportions. Each order of the chapter has their own pyramid fortress stationed throughout the world, housing the astartes and reclusium of each order. The chapter's headquarters, Chapter Reclusium, Librarium and First Order reside in the megalith pyramid structure of Neintara.

The chapter utilizes hit and run tactics to obliterate enemy ranks. They make extensive use of assault squads who are usually dropped in through modified thunderhawks. Tactical squads are deployed via rhinos and landraiders. The chapter owns very few terminator suits, favoring a battle philosophy of quick strike attacks to surprise and outmaneuver their opponents.

The Chapter follows the Codex Astartes with slight variations. Each company is designated as an Order in honor to remember the Omnitepha, the original order that they were founded upon. Each order is lead by a Master. The Chapter Master is known as the Hierophant. The Chief Librarian is known as the Magi. The Scions techmarines carry the title Logi in honor of Logis Kruhl who acted as the chapter's first techmarine during their inception until he properly trained brothers in the Martian arts.

Due to the chapter's unyielding quest for secretive knowledge of the end times, the Librarium plays an important and influential role. The Scions always have several librarians attached to each order in battle, and a librarian always accompanies squad missions. While librarians do not supercede the command of a Master, their wisdom and guidance is always sought.

Chaplains play much of the same role as do their brothers in the reclusiarch of their parent chapter the Children of Eternity. The difference is in where knowledge lies on the great path to the Omnitep. Where the Children of Eternity are maniacal in their devotion to the Omnitep, the Scions are zealous in their thirst for knowledge. Knowledge is not a tool to unify with the Omnitep, but salvation in and of itself. Knowledge is itself a pure form of worship for the marines of Akkad. None value mystical knowledge of the Omnissiah like the Scions of the Infinite, save for the likes of the Adepts of Mars, their parent chapter and perhaps the Mentor Legion.

The Chaplains are akin to philospher warriors, where knowledge is the key to the secrets of the Emperor Himself, the final times and ultimately the coming of the Omnitep. With its dawning comes the destruction of all that is known, and a new age will be born. Only those who unlock the secrets of the coming age will be granted the right to fight by his side and ultimately be part of his eternal effulgence and being. Those who do not will become warped husks and spawn of the Chaos gods.

"May He sanctify the Secrets!"

"We are our own salvation..."

"The Scarab rises!"

current headqarters (wont be in final IA, just for my personal use): Absirae, current Chapter Master

[Plague Angel]

Yay, pink! We were just talking about that in Amicus Aedes.

 

 

Hm. It's generally not a good idea to have your feet a lighter/brighter color than the rest. I would make the whole body color #2, and then use white shoulder trim and maybe — maybe — a white kneepad.

 

 

 

The Emperor, Sanguinius and Ferrus Manus are all aspects of the Omnissiah

 

Um... what? Why?

[XKhalilX]

plague, the reason I wasn't doing the entire body one color was because these guys will be using the geneseed of my other DIY chapter the Children of Eternity, the picture of them is my avatar. as you can see there all purple with white helmet. So I wanted to make them different. I also am working on another DIY chapter that uses Children of Eternity geneseed, and there going to be half purple, half white, with bolgtun colored arms.

 

the colors i use are reaper master series. not sure if your familiar with them. The Children of Eternity are basecoat of burgandy wine, with a drybrushing of violet red. The Scions of the Infinite will be base color of violet red, and then a dry brush of pale violet. The burgandy wine-violet red-pale violet are a Reaper master series triad. I love the way Reaper groups their colors, its so easy to figure out which colors to match and blend! So it doesnt look that pink :P

 

 

as always, C&C always welcome. These guys really got me excited, and are my next attempt at the Liber (I don't think my Steel Wyverns will ever make it there, Im just not getting any inspiration, but these guys are another story!)

[XKhalilX]

no C&C?

[voi shet magir]

I like the ideas, every one of them and all together. The style is plain, but obviously you will embellish. The thing I want to know about their crackpot ideas is that if they have librarians all over the place to divine the most auspicious actions, do they try to interpret cosmic omens that are beyond them, or do they attempt to manipulate and arrange things to a more cosmically congenial state?

[XKhalilX]

I like the ideas, every one of them and all together. The style is plain, but obviously you will embellish. The thing I want to know about their crackpot ideas is that if they have librarians all over the place to divine the most auspicious actions, do they try to interpret cosmic omens that are beyond them, or do they attempt to manipulate and arrange things to a more cosmically congenial state?

 

Voi, im not sure I follow what your saying about the Librarians, could you explain a bit more?

 

and to make it clear, its not that the Scions have a high amount of Librarians (although that maybe the case, it just will never be "officially" stated in the IA), it is that they are more prevalent in the sense of being more "hands on" amongst the chapter and its battles and wars. Where most chapters may field 1-2 Librarians per company in a given war, the Scions will field enough to cover at least one per squad, whether or not they are accompanying each squad is one thing, the fact that they are there is another. On single squad missions however, a Librarian always accompanies the squad.

[voi shet magir]

Are they determinists who just need to navigate the unchangeable mystical forces that they see behind every event, or do they think they have to manipulate events to bring about their preferred eschatological scenario?

 

Are the librarians witch doctors who are protecting their squads against forces beyond their understanding, or do they have agenda?

[XKhalilX]

Are they determinists who just need to navigate the unchangeable mystical forces that they see behind every event, or do they think they have to manipulate events to bring about their preferred eschatological scenario?

 

Are the librarians witch doctors who are protecting their squads against forces beyond their understanding, or do they have agenda?

 

good question. I think all librarians in any chapter have a bit of understanding future events. whether they delve into it or not is another thing.

 

I would say the librarians in the scions understand the prophecies of which have become part of the chapter culture. they believe certain events must come to fruition, that puzzle pieces must be found and put together for the prophecy of the Omnitep to come together. They believe alot of these things will come to pass naturally, some they may be able to manipulate events, but most is out of their hands. but they must find the knowledge and understand it if they are to be "on the correct side" of the final war between the Omnitep and the forces of Chaos. By discovering and understanding knowledge, they can know when the end is, better understand the workings of the Omnitep, their relation to it as well as the Primarch.

 

they actively seek this prophetic/apocalyptic knowledge in hopes of saving humanity before its too late.

 

and yes, they also watch over their brothers for they know the warp as a psyker that non-psykers do not contemplate or understand.

[XKhalilX]

History has been updated. Still havent gotten all the ideas down, but I at least have something now. C&C always welcome.

[XKhalilX]

so i have this idea that the world is an exodite world that the Eldar re-discovered a few hundred years before the Imperium does. The people there are enslaved to worship the Eldar like gods. The High Lords of Terra declare a new finding and ask the COE to send men to the southern fringe to possibly be a training cadre. The High Master of the COE is not liking the idea but they go anyway. The COE are tasked by the High Lords to search the fringe whereupon they find the region and discover Akkad. Obviously they fight and win against the eldar with Iron Hands and Admech help.

 

so my question is how to bring about the idea of soothsaying/prophecies that my Scions are focused on. They believe they msut find and interpret knowledge of the end times. So how can i incorprate that into the history. (and btw i need editors on the history).

 

need the C & C on these guys, and some voting on color schemes. Ive done 4-5 color mixes with the reaper purple triad and having a heck of a time trying to find a nice shade!

[Grey Hunter Ydalir]

so i have this idea that the world is an exodite world that the Eldar re-discovered a few hundred years before the Imperium does. The people there are enslaved to worship the Eldar like gods. The High Lords of Terra declare a new finding and ask the COE to send men to the southern fringe to possibly be a training cadre. The High Master of the COE is not liking the idea but they go anyway. The COE are tasked by the High Lords to search the fringe whereupon they find the region and discover Akkad. Obviously they fight and win against the eldar with Iron Hands and Admech help.

 

Ok let's break this down.

 

Exodite world, fine, just expect to be attacked by any Eldar with enough manpower and a strong enough insult at your presence to try to wipe you out.

 

The High Lords don't just declare foundings willy-nilly, is your chapter part of one of the recorded foundings?

 

The people there are enslaved to worship the Eldar like gods.

 

This is rather un-Eldar like so far as I am aware. They'd just wipe out the humans, to my mind. I also don't think the Eldar would be 'rediscovering' anything. They may not have visited these places or used them in a long time, but I don't think they would have 'lost' them quite so completely as the Imperium has lost most all of the knowledge from before the DAoT.

 

Also, why are the Iron Hands there at all? Is this an IA about the Scions of the Infinite or about the three happy pals, the Iron Hands, the CoE and the AdMech all frolicking together on a field of dead Eldar?

 

Sorry I got a bit silly at the end there. :(

 

Oh and with colour scheme, I like the first one, the rest are pink and I hate pink rather passionately. ;)

[XKhalilX]

from what i read on Eldar, exodite worlds are worlds that can be lost and rediscovered, worlds that acted like colony worlds when people left craftworlds. I was trying to have the Scions take the planet and the Admech being there was because of the Scions being stemmed from the COE who have very close connections with the Admech of their sector of space (check the COE in the librariaum for more info). I wanted to use the world as an eldar world, perhaps finding knowledge that discusses an end time when mon-keigh would rise up again so to speak. This goes with what the COE have always believed, and so the marines who become the first group of Scions take the knowledge and prophecy speak deeper then the COE. the Scions take knowledge as almost godlike in itself, the prophecies are a foretelling of a great change within the universe. the COE see knowledge as a sign and a tool to merge with the Omnissiah in the passing of the spirit. and the Admech wants the COE to again guard this knowledge. tie this all together with a founding somehow, that the Scion become guardians of prophecy, preserves of knowledge that the end times are coming and play the kind of "soothsayers" to a select handful of those they trust.

 

and I am not stating what founding, just the millenium in which they were founded (33rd Milllenium) that way its not exact and leaves a general time frame of ambiguity. I did that with my COE as well. didnt want to be too precise.

 

the reason i didnt go with first one is its too much like the COE, too close to it. And its not really pink so much as a magenta or violet :) i think im going to paint the scheme all magenta (incl. legs) with the arms being completely white.

[XKhalilX]

are these guys really that bad that people have no input on them?

[voi shet magir]

Even if having dialogue throughout the history/narrative sections is unconventional, that does not make it bad. Its badness makes it bad. Also, try a find-and-replace edit for the word "visage," and replace it with any other word.

[XKhalilX]

voi i cant think of how to word anything in the history. im getting serious mindblock

[XKhalilX]

so i had an idea that the COE astartes that would form the Scions would be members of a secretive group of knowledge seekers within the COE. The headquarters would know about them, but not the normal marines or even some of the other company masters. these men would be astartes of the command, librarium, reclusiarch, even perhaps some members of the 1st company or veteran sergeants. They would be in real life what we could conside millenium cults. these men woul be a group of warrior philosophers, who believed knowledge was in itself perfection and not a tool. that the words of the first Chief Librarian, Mahavajra, would become apocraphyl and prophecy to these select men. they will be called the Omnitepha and they would believe in a being created from the EMperor, Primarchs and the Omnissiah as one unified, known as the Omnitep.

 

I added them under the section "The Omnitepha." I figure the Omnithera can be the base of belief and men to form the Scions of the Infinite. so now i have to rewrite the story.

 

im thinking maybe within the COE this lil "cult" died out or they all left to join the Scions with the COE either consenting with no hard feelings or the COE felt they were a bit off and purged the Omnitepha from their chapters existence by sending them all to be Scions, or any remnants of the belief after the scions creation was purged. I was wanting to have the Scions and COE work close with one another, and not have "hard feelings" just a tension on how they each viewed things but great respect for one another.

 

ANY HELP would be greatly appreciated as to how to work this all correctly. THANK YOU IN ADVANCE!

[XKhalilX]

completely reworked the history, have to break it into a new section. lemme know what u think

[Plague Angel]

I still like this one.

They are a stubborn chapter, unwilling to share their discoveries with anyone outside their chapter with the exception of a few select chapters, and those who bear the geneseed of Ferrus Manus.

What non-Manus Chapters do they share this with?

For none know what knowledge they keep save those whom they trust.

This isn't a sentence.

This secretive nature has caused a rift between them and the Imperium, notably other astartes.

Really? I imagine some other groups would be far more upset with them than other Chapters would be. For one, I can't imagine many other Astartes outside of their circle would even care since, as you said, they're supposed to be unknown. Even if some Astartes would be upset with them, they can't be upset if they don't know they have a reason to be.

Their detractors are quickly silenced upon seeing the noble Scions take to the field of battle

I highly doubt this. At best, they're hereteks. Given the nature of the laws they're violating and the way it'd be taken as insults, I can't imagine merely seeing them fight would stop any complaints at all.

Both [the Emperor and Manus] were one in the same

...But they clearly weren't one person. They were definitely, definitely two.

The Omnitepha further isolated themselves in their belief in what they would call the Omnitep. The Omnissiah was known as the Machine God, The All Machine to some. To them, the Omnitep was the ultimate reality of this distant being. Some say the Emperor of Mankind is the fleshly embodiment of the Omnissiah such as the Adeptus Mechanicus and the chapter itself. For the Omnitepha that was only part of the greater belief. The circle of seekers believed that not only was this the case with the Emperor of Mankind, they further believed that Primarch Ferrus Manus himself was the living spirit of the Machine God. The Emperor was never human, and to understand human emotion, weaknesses, and strengths, to understand his greatest creation, he then created the Primarchs...

And then follows a lengthy section that only repeats the exact same stuff from the Beliefs section.

The Scions of the Infinite were born in a time still effected from the aftermath of the Horus Heresy. Created in the 33rd Millenium

1. Why?

2. That seems a shockingly early date to be making a successor of a successor.

3. This seems soon enough after the Heresy that I wonder about the success of the Omnithepa cult. If the Heresy is so fresh in people's minds, then most — especially the Astartes — should remember the actual events too well to believe the weird revisionist version. I suppose there will always be a dedicated few in such a cult, but enough to spark a whole Chapter as part of its inner circle?

"I have discussed this matter with the Fabricators of Altruix and Mars. I have sought the counsel of our ancients. Idaeon, Mahavajra, and Ezriah bade me to seek the Larsa Region. There the All Machine whispers. Find his hand. Hear his words Amandon. Death is the Beginning...." "We are Eternal..." Amandon replied. So Larsa was to be his destiny he thought.

I think such out-and-out fiction is very out of place in the IA format. Allude to the event here, write it up as a story separately, and post that elsewhere. Then link the two threads. That's my recommendation, at least.

[XKhalilX]

yes that is the image i like too. I was thinking however, of changing the legs to the magenta color as well and keeping the arms white. what do u think?

 

What non-Manus Chapters do they share this with?

mentor legion, bl. ravens. anyone who seeks knowledge, and non manus only get a taste of what they know. they share everything open with the Ad mech and the COE of course.

 

 

This isn't a sentence.

 

gotcha, ill reword it.

 

Really? I imagine some other groups would be far more upset with them than other Chapters would be. For one, I can't imagine many other Astartes outside of their circle would even care since, as you said, they're supposed to be unknown. Even if some Astartes would be upset with them, they can't be upset if they don't know they have a reason to be.

 

yes good point Plague, ill reword that as well. i imagine them showing up to a war and other astartes going "who are they, and whats with the magenta armor!?" ;)

 

what other groups would you see having issue with them? Inquisition?

 

 

I highly doubt this. At best, they're hereteks. Given the nature of the laws they're violating and the way it'd be taken as insults, I can't imagine merely seeing them fight would stop any complaints at all.

 

how would they be considered heretics and what laws would they be violating?

 

 

...But they clearly weren't one person. They were definitely, definitely two.

 

yes, but the Scions believe the Omnissiah put flesh and bone of its essence into EMperor and spirit in Ferrus Manus. THey both carried something unique from the Omnissiah. that is what i was trying to convey.

 

 

And then follows a lengthy section that only repeats the exact same stuff from the Beliefs section.

yeah beliefs section i just put notes down i havent touched it yet. do you think this Omnitepha should be placed under beliefs?

 

1. Why?

2. That seems a shockingly early date to be making a successor of a successor.

3. This seems soon enough after the Heresy that I wonder about the success of the Omnithepa cult. If the Heresy is so fresh in people's minds, then most — especially the Astartes — should remember the actual events too well to believe the weird revisionist version. I suppose there will always be a dedicated few in such a cult, but enough to spark a whole Chapter as part of its inner circle?

 

1. I wanted the chapter to be older and not super new.

2. Around 1000-1200 years, i felt wasnt that new, it gave time to establish the successor and make a new one

3. legends quickly grow amongst events, think of some of our legends, and they sprining up only within in 100-200 years. Around 500-600 years into the chapter I feel gives time to have thinks be "revisioned" in the events of the heresy AND the battle of marifiah in the chapter's history. They can take the words of the first Ch. Librarian and start seeing hidden meanings and inner understandings like prophecy. look it the Church and ow quickly Paul managed to change some teachings of Christ and the council of Nicea 100-300 years. So i figured a little over half a millenium into the COE history things like this could happen, and around 1500+ years since the heresy things could def. start happening.

 

 

I think such out-and-out fiction is very out of place in the IA format. Allude to the event here, write it up as a story separately, and post that elsewhere. Then link the two threads. That's my recommendation, at least.

 

this statement would be understood i suppose on previou background info on the COE to make sense. ill reword.

 

 

PLague THANK YOU for really looking at this. ive been needing C and C desparetely on this IA. I really wanna make these guys unique, something that makes them their own.

[Plague Angel]

what other groups would you see having issue with them? Inquisition?

 

 

I highly doubt this. At best, they're hereteks. Given the nature of the laws they're violating and the way it'd be taken as insults, I can't imagine merely seeing them fight would stop any complaints at all.

 

how would they be considered heretics and what laws would they be violating?

 

I guess I misunderstood. I thought they were an Omnissiah cult outside of the AdMech, and were keeping all those STCs for themselves and not turning them over to Mars. Relations between the AdMech and the Blood Angels, for example, are strained over the Baal Predator. Keeping multiple STCs would probably lead to a full break.

 

Inquisition relations would probably be strained yes, but AdMech and Adeptus Astartes cults are technically legal exceptions to the Imperial Creed. So someone else would probably have a better idea of where to take this than me.

 

Even if they share everything with the Mechanicus, it still feels like the relationship between the two would be odd, if not strained. They're holding very unorthodox beliefs about the Omnissiah, and I imagine many in the AdMech wouldn't be pleased about it. I suppose they benefit the AdMech enough that they might be allowed though.

 

yeah beliefs section i just put notes down i havent touched it yet. do you think this Omnitepha should be placed under beliefs?

 

Yes, probably.

 

 

1. Why?

1. I wanted the chapter to be older and not super new.

 

I meant more, why were they created from the High Lords' perspective. I actually don't think the "why were they created" question needs to be addressed in every IA. Just saying they were part of a larger Founding is enough for me personally, as I'll intuit that many Chapters were created and they were just another one among them. But as it stands here, it's a dangling question.

 

2. Around 1000-1200 years, i felt wasnt that new, it gave time to establish the successor and make a new one

3. legends quickly grow amongst events, think of some of our legends, and they sprining up only within in 100-200 years. Around 500-600 years into the chapter I feel gives time to have thinks be "revisioned" in the events of the heresy AND the battle of marifiah in the chapter's history. They can take the words of the first Ch. Librarian and start seeing hidden meanings and inner understandings like prophecy. look it the Church and ow quickly Paul managed to change some teachings of Christ and the council of Nicea 100-300 years. So i figured a little over half a millenium into the COE history things like this could happen, and around 1500+ years since the heresy things could def. start happening.

 

I'll have to tread carefully here so as not to derail the thread into a religious debate. I'll just say that neither Paul nor Nicea changed any teachings of Christ, and that Nicea in particular seems to have a lot of misconceptions about it these days. But more relevantly —

 

Those "legends" that are about 200 years old, are the exceptions to the rules. Most of them spring up because Americans are too lazy to study history, or too malleable to propaganda. I doubt Astartes have that problem. Also we're talking about people who train for decades just to become rookies, and need centuries of combat experience to receive "veteran" status. It's hard to start revising history when the relevant parties and people who knew them are very possibly still alive. To continue the Christian example, if the original 12 Apostles had survived into 700 AD or so, and Ignatius and Polycarp were still around into the 1400s, and John Chrysostom and Bernard and Francis of Assissi and Gregory Nazianzen were all still alive today, religion would be a very different thing.

 

On top of that, we're dealing with a setting that is largely static overall. Where other settings deal with months and years, 40k deals with centuries and millennia instead. So I really think there should be more time before such a cult would develop. Maybe late M33?

 

Plague THANK YOU for really looking at this.

 

You're welcome.

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I guess I misunderstood. I thought they were an Omnissiah cult outside of the AdMech, and were keeping all those STCs for themselves and not turning them over to Mars. Relations between the AdMech and the Blood Angels, for example, are strained over the Baal Predator. Keeping multiple STCs would probably lead to a full break.

 

Inquisition relations would probably be strained yes, but AdMech and Adeptus Astartes cults are technically legal exceptions to the Imperial Creed. So someone else would probably have a better idea of where to take this than me.

 

Even if they share everything with the Mechanicus, it still feels like the relationship between the two would be odd, if not strained. They're holding very unorthodox beliefs about the Omnissiah, and I imagine many in the AdMech wouldn't be pleased about it. I suppose they benefit the AdMech enough that they might be allowed though

 

oh no they share everything with the Ad Mech. Same with the COE. The COE if you read their IA protect a system made up almost entirely of forgeworlds and admech facilities, they also are guardian to a very sacred machine.

 

The Scions believe no STCs have ever actually been "lost" in the sense of being destroyed unable to be rediscovered or recreated. there out there, whether on paper on a data system or in someone's mind. They must find them all as their prophecies state.

 

I don't see the Ad Mech having bad relations with the Scions for their weird look in the Omnitep cult. some ad mech believe the EMperor is the Omnissiah in the flesh and bone form, scions take it a step further and a lil more mystical perrenialist ^_^ Inquisition would think there complete wackjobs im sure LOL

 

 

I meant more, why were they created from the High Lords' perspective. I actually don't think the "why were they created" question needs to be addressed in every IA. Just saying they were part of a larger Founding is enough for me personally, as I'll intuit that many Chapters were created and they were just another one among them. But as it stands here, it's a dangling question.

 

I dont see it as dangling, how so? I was leaving the reason as to why alone in the IA like you said. Obviously the High Lords wouldnt have any idea about the COE mystical beliefs in the Omnissiah or even about the Omnitep cult within them. To the High lords, the Scions would be just another chapter that reveres technology and the ad mech like the Iron Hands, and coming from the geneseed of the COE who come from the geneseed of Sons of Medusa who come from Iron Hands, all being Ferrus Manus, theyd just figure:

 

High Lord A: These Scions of the Infinite, bit odd with this Omnissiah bafoonery? Sounds like they wish they were Ad Mech Priests. What Gives?

High Lord B: *sigh* There Ferrus' boys.....

High Lord A: *rolls eyes* now it all makes sense. Gotcha....

 

 

I'll have to tread carefully here so as not to derail the thread into a religious debate. I'll just say that neither Paul nor Nicea changed any teachings of Christ, and that Nicea in particular seems to have a lot of misconceptions about it these days. But more relevantly —

 

Those "legends" that are about 200 years old, are the exceptions to the rules. Most of them spring up because Americans are too lazy to study history, or too malleable to propaganda. I doubt Astartes have that problem. Also we're talking about people who train for decades just to become rookies, and need centuries of combat experience to receive "veteran" status. It's hard to start revising history when the relevant parties and people who knew them are very possibly still alive. To continue the Christian example, if the original 12 Apostles had survived into 700 AD or so, and Ignatius and Polycarp were still around into the 1400s, and John Chrysostom and Bernard and Francis of Assissi and Gregory Nazianzen were all still alive today, religion would be a very different thing.

 

On top of that, we're dealing with a setting that is largely static overall. Where other settings deal with months and years, 40k deals with centuries and millennia instead. So I really think there should be more time before such a cult would develop. Maybe late M33?

 

 

hmmm i see your point with the extra long life of astartes. Outside the Blood Angels and their successors(sincere there this odd anomaly), marines typically live what? About 200-400 years? maybe half a millenia?

 

Perhaps I should say sometime in the 34th millenium? or 35th? i wanted to leave an exact founding out of the equation and simply state a millenium/time period so it leaves thing a lil more open.

 

 

Plague keep it comin man! Your really keepin me stoked on this. Others are welcome to join in the fray.

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MASSIVE editing to history and beliefs, added and reworked. Also added the Treaty of Ferrus that is unique to those bearing the geneseed of the Children of Eternity

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Edited the Pax Ferrus Eternus and beliefs, tried to fix up history more. I think its coming together a bit better. Id like to submit it for the Liber VERY soon, so C &C is definitely needed.

 

 

 

*Mentioned in the IA are the Sons of Idaeon and the Disciples of the Ethereal Veil. I will be writing these two IA after I am done with the Scions. They will all come from the gene seed of the Children of Eternity. Sons of Idaeon will be M37/38 and the Disciples of the Ethereal Veil will be around 24-26th founding. I was thinking of making the Disciples a complete new chapter, or a form of a "Deathwatch" amongst the COE, Scions, and the Sons of Idaeon, and perhaps other knowledge seeking chapters like the Praetors of Orpheus, Mentor Legion and Blood Ravens. It would be squads of these chapters come together to seek knowledge in remote areas where company sized strength would be too out in the open. so these squads would do super covert, be very secretive and avoid inquisition at all costs. or like i said, i may just make the disciples a new chapter altogether.

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either people really hate this IA or people think its fine the way it is and i can submit it to the liber (which I highly doubt).

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this feels a bit long to be submitted. im getting hardly any help. come on people, the IA cant be that bad!