Mr. Danvers Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Evening brothers, I thought I'd pop this up on here to let you know. As always, if you require actual proof, then that's fine as I'm just relaying what I have been told. Those of you who have a copy already will know that there's a page of the rules in WD for the stormraven, with all options and points etc. I rang my local store to find out if this changed anything or whether it was still BA only as the magazine did not state that you could or couldn't field the Stormraven if you weren't BA. Obviously, people would have argued that because it specifically did not state that you couldnt use it, people would. So I thought I best check. I have been told by my store manager that his regional manager has said that this allows all chapters to take the Stormraven in their lists. I feel a bit sorry for BA players losing something unique to them, but I've been itching to play with one of these. Enjoy! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220773-stormraven-in-wd/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
DV8 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Unfortunately that's not the way it works. Games Workshop develops a permissive rule set, whereby they tell you what you CAN do, and nothing more. Just because it doesn't say you can't doesn't mean you can. So if the White Dwarf in question does not allow other chapters/armies to use the Storm Raven (or makes no mention of such in the rules), then only Blood Angels may use the Storm Raven. DV8 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220773-stormraven-in-wd/#findComment-2636461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 But it makes sense for a GW store to house rule it otherwise. They want the sales on the Ravens. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220773-stormraven-in-wd/#findComment-2636477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturm Moonwolf Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Use it in Apocalypse. It'll probably end up like the LRC anyways, when that was Templars only. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220773-stormraven-in-wd/#findComment-2636482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Use it in Apocalypse. It'll probably end up like the LRC anyways, when that was Templars only. The Crusader was never Templars only. Templars didn't have their own rules until Armageddon, and Armageddon codex states that all marines can take the Crusader (as 0-1). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220773-stormraven-in-wd/#findComment-2636491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Danvers Posted January 27, 2011 Author Share Posted January 27, 2011 Oh believe me DV8, I know it's a case of needing a rule to say you CAN have it, rather than there being nothing to say you cant. I wanted to check so I just called my store and that's what I was told. I have a feeling its going to cause a panic with people arguing about what theyve been told/ reading there's no mention of can or can't in WD. I presumed it was going to go this way, with it being a kit costing 40 quid, they'd want every marine player to buy one. I'm just happy, as it's something fun to try out and build new ideas around. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220773-stormraven-in-wd/#findComment-2636540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturm Moonwolf Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Use it in Apocalypse. It'll probably end up like the LRC anyways, when that was Templars only. The Crusader was never Templars only. Templars didn't have their own rules until Armageddon, and Armageddon codex states that all marines can take the Crusader (as 0-1). Haha, that's what I get for listening to those guys in 4th Psyop when I was in Bosnia at the time, lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220773-stormraven-in-wd/#findComment-2636559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
G. A. K. Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Use it in Apocalypse. It'll probably end up like the LRC anyways, when that was Templars only. The Crusader was never Templars only. Templars didn't have their own rules until Armageddon, and Armageddon codex states that all marines can take the Crusader (as 0-1). The LRC was templar only back in the days of the index astartes (III I believe) and you could always shoot the hurricane bolters no matter how far you moved (that was a nice rule). That sieres of books had in it lists for all sorts of specialist armies including: Iron hands, Imperial fists, templars, chaos cult armies: Alpha legion, death guard, berzerkers, t-sons and emp children. But there could be others, I just don't remember them off the top of my head. G Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220773-stormraven-in-wd/#findComment-2636662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortysl Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Evening brothers, I thought I'd pop this up on here to let you know. As always, if you require actual proof, then that's fine as I'm just relaying what I have been told. Those of you who have a copy already will know that there's a page of the rules in WD for the stormraven, with all options and points etc. I rang my local store to find out if this changed anything or whether it was still BA only as the magazine did not state that you could or couldn't field the Stormraven if you weren't BA. Obviously, people would have argued that because it specifically did not state that you couldnt use it, people would. So I thought I best check. I have been told by my store manager that his regional manager has said that this allows all chapters to take the Stormraven in their lists. I feel a bit sorry for BA players losing something unique to them, but I've been itching to play with one of these. Enjoy! Er, if i were you i'd consult the Blood Angels on this. They have 'official confirmation' that the Storm Raven is still exclusive to their chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220773-stormraven-in-wd/#findComment-2636685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Obviously, people would have argued that because it specifically did not state that you couldnt use it, people would. ...Well, time to add some Dark Eldar to my Blood Angels army. Maybe some Skaven too. It doesn't say I can't use them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220773-stormraven-in-wd/#findComment-2636733 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I feel a bit sorry for BA players losing something unique to them, but I've been itching to play with one of these. Enjoy! I feel sorry for them also! I mean losing something unique to them would totally suck.... Baal Predators, Ball Predators that have the scout special rule, Furioso Librarian Dreadnought, Frag Cannon, Fast Tanks, Magna-Grapple, Blood Talons, Sanguinary Priest, Death Company, Deep Striking Land Raiders, Heavy Support Dreadnought and Storm Raven Gunship. Just to name a few! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220773-stormraven-in-wd/#findComment-2636777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Danvers Posted January 27, 2011 Author Share Posted January 27, 2011 Its interesting to see what kind of posts you get for just letting people know something GW told you :D. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220773-stormraven-in-wd/#findComment-2636869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kjarl Bluetooth Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Its interesting to see what kind of posts you get for just letting people know something GW told you :D. I was under the impression that everyone knew that if you want a rule clarification the last people to ask are the guys in the shop or customer services! At the moment only BA can use the Stormraven and don't listen to anyone who tells you otherwise. Not even GKs can use them until their new codex gets released in April. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220773-stormraven-in-wd/#findComment-2636895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Its interesting to see what kind of posts you get for just letting people know something GW told you :P. Silliness deserves silly responses, I say. :P I once had people seriously claim to me that they were still allowed armor saves against my sergeant's power sword attacks, because it was a power sword, not a power weapon. :devil: Fortunately the red-shirt came to my aid and threatened to kick them out of the store for that stupidity, because I really didn't want to have that conversation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220773-stormraven-in-wd/#findComment-2637254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfire Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 The LRC was templar only back in the days of the index astartes (III I believe) and you could always shoot the hurricane bolters no matter how far you moved (that was a nice rule). As I recall it was IA4. And I'm pretty certain that IA4 just took the rules from the Armegeddon book. I'd give a page reference, if my old 3rd edition stuff wasn't buried somewhere in my garage. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220773-stormraven-in-wd/#findComment-2637348 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon950 Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 I say let the BA have their crappy looking transport. But Space Wolves need a fast skimmer than you can assualt out of, but make it look wolfy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220773-stormraven-in-wd/#findComment-2637357 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d@n Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 On the GW website the stormraven is only listed under blood angels so thats a pretty good indicator that its only going to be a blood angel unit (gray knights as well when there codex comes out) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220773-stormraven-in-wd/#findComment-2637398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBMAKENZIE Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 I feel sorry for them also! I mean losing something unique to them would totally suck.... Baal Predators, Ball Predators that have the scout special rule, Furioso Librarian Dreadnought [until grey knights come out], Frag Cannon, Fastnon landspeeder marine tanks Tanks, Magna-Grapple, Blood Talons, Sanguinary Priest, Death Company, Deep Striking Land Raiders [really? would you actually deep strike a land raider?], Heavy Support Dreadnought and Storm Raven Gunship [until grey knights come out]. Just to name a few! Fixed :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220773-stormraven-in-wd/#findComment-2637425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Immortals Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Storm RAvens are indeed BA only at the moment, although they will obviously be Grey Knightds when there new dex is released. I was also told by my local red shirt that the SR was all marines now, due to it being in the WD.I corrected him and was proven right after a call to teh area rep. Consequently the Sallamander painjob will be stripped from the stores SR. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220773-stormraven-in-wd/#findComment-2638742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I say let the BA have their crappy looking transport. But Space Wolves need a fast skimmer than you can assualt out of, but make it look wolfy. Maybe something like the DE skimmers but made to look more like a longship ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220773-stormraven-in-wd/#findComment-2638847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranwulf Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I feel a bit sorry for BA players losing something unique to them, but I've been itching to play with one of these. Enjoy! I feel sorry for them also! I mean losing something unique to them would totally suck.... Baal Predators, Ball Predators that have the scout special rule, Furioso Librarian Dreadnought, Frag Cannon, Fast Tanks, Magna-Grapple, Blood Talons, Sanguinary Priest, Death Company, Deep Striking Land Raiders, Heavy Support Dreadnought and Storm Raven Gunship. Just to name a few! Well...Space Wolves have Thunderwolves, Fenrisian Wolves, Sagas, Wolftooth Neclace, Wolf Tail Talisman, Frostblade, Grey Hunters, Long Fangs, Blood Claws, Rune Priests, Wolf Priests, Wolf Lords, Wolf Guard Battle Leaders, Wolf Guard Squads...Just to name a few. Losing somenthing that is FOR your own chapter sucks, I mean, would you enjoy seeing Blood Bats? Ran Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220773-stormraven-in-wd/#findComment-2638883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglez Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Either way, I do like the look and feel of the storm raven (without the top turret and air intake). I plan to get one and add the top guns to the sides of the storm raven, similar to how the thunder hawk's side heavy bolters are. Dunno if I will start a flesh tearer's army so I can use it, or just to use it alongside my renegade army :cuss Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220773-stormraven-in-wd/#findComment-2638886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 IMHO it will go the way of the Crusader/ Redeemer and all other 'add on' kits that GW has ever produced for chapter specific SM dexes...after all they aren't in it for the game anymore...it's all about the almighty dollar now... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220773-stormraven-in-wd/#findComment-2639118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 IMHO it will go the way of the Crusader/ Redeemer and all other 'add on' kits that GW has ever produced for chapter specific SM dexes...after all they aren't in it for the game anymore...it's all about the almighty dollar now... They are NOT! ... They're English. They're in it for the Pound. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220773-stormraven-in-wd/#findComment-2639208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 I feel a bit sorry for BA players losing something unique to them, but I've been itching to play with one of these. Enjoy! I feel sorry for them also! I mean losing something unique to them would totally suck.... Baal Predators, Ball Predators that have the scout special rule, Furioso Librarian Dreadnought, Frag Cannon, Fast Tanks, Magna-Grapple, Blood Talons, Sanguinary Priest, Death Company, Deep Striking Land Raiders, Heavy Support Dreadnought and Storm Raven Gunship. Just to name a few! Well...Space Wolves have Thunderwolves, Fenrisian Wolves, Sagas, Wolftooth Neclace, Wolf Tail Talisman, Frostblade, Grey Hunters, Long Fangs, Blood Claws, Rune Priests, Wolf Priests, Wolf Lords, Wolf Guard Battle Leaders, Wolf Guard Squads...Just to name a few. Losing somenthing that is FOR your own chapter sucks, I mean, would you enjoy seeing Blood Bats? Ran now that's just ridiculous! we are talking about tech here, technology that can go around. And not something you have running around in your backyard, or found in your planet. Ohh i see you play both armies.... touchy subject! my bad :blush: LOL all good brother I feel sorry for them also! I mean losing something unique to them would totally suck.... Baal Predators, Ball Predators that have the scout special rule, Furioso Librarian Dreadnought [until grey knights come out], Frag Cannon, Fastnon landspeeder marine tanks Tanks, Magna-Grapple, Blood Talons, Sanguinary Priest, Death Company, Deep Striking Land Raiders [really? would you actually deep strike a land raider?], Heavy Support Dreadnought and Storm Raven Gunship [until grey knights come out]. Just to name a few! Fixed B) haha thanks Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220773-stormraven-in-wd/#findComment-2639527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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