Grey Hunter Ydalir Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Ferrata has had a breakdown... Saw it coming. He does have to deal with the Liber and it's dastardly Liberites after all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220897-if-i-see-another/page/2/#findComment-2638959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Debonair Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Sure, why not. If I see another 26th founding chapter in the first half of this year, I'll curse.* Loudly. Everyone and their dog makes 26th founding chapters. I've gone so far as to applaud people who choose a different founding, just for the rarity value. I even came up with a nifty slogan that summarizes my view point. :P Newest founding = Old news. * By the second haf of the year, there will have been time for me to cool off about it. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220897-if-i-see-another/page/2/#findComment-2638995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Apostle Thirst Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I don't edit and critique that often, but... I do find the lost in the Warp thing slightly annoying, although I do want to see an IA/IT made where someone actually took a company of Ultramarines, threw them in the Warp, and then wondered what would have really happened to them, as opposed to using it as a plot tool. Same goes for using Inquisitors, but I've used that crutch myself so I can't really feel too much anger. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220897-if-i-see-another/page/2/#findComment-2639103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I really don't see any problem with the 26th Founding. I mean, unless they say something like "specifically created to fight the Tyranids/Necron" or whatever. But in general, if there isn't some earlier event that you specifically want your Chapter involved with, why shouldn't the 26th be the default? Every DIY is someone's first, and for a lot of us it is our only. Generally speaking, unless you're bitten with the writing bug you only want to make the one background story for your new tabletop army anyways, especially new players. The 26th Founding is fine, even ideal, for such Chapters. Also, I hear a lot about the "lost in the Warp" cliche, and I can imagine it well. Yet I've never actually seen somebody use it. I know I don't have the Liber presence most everyone else does and I miss a lot of trends, but I see warnings against that cliche more often than the cliche itself. Was it especially bad at one point? Like, legendarily bad? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220897-if-i-see-another/page/2/#findComment-2639210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Also, I hear a lot about the "lost in the Warp" cliche, and I can imagine it well. Yet I've never actually seen somebody use it. I know I don't have the Liber presence most everyone else does and I miss a lot of trends, but I see warnings against that cliche more often than the cliche itself. Was it especially bad at one point? Like, legendarily bad? I think it's probably one of those phases; take "literature" for example - you'll see why that gets bunny ears in a second - Harry "I Never Knew I Was A Wizard" Potter was the big thing until That Certain Time of Day was released. EDIT: My personal one? If I have to see another one of my failures.. I'll do something drastic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220897-if-i-see-another/page/2/#findComment-2639221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrata Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Yes, but it was around 5 years ago....but you don't know man, you weren't there! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220897-if-i-see-another/page/2/#findComment-2639223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Yes, but it was around 5 years ago....but you don't know man, you weren't there! Probably around the time I was going through another failed relationship - I'm not bitter :rolleyes: - along with the fact I wasn't even aware of B&C then. The certain things spring up all the time though: Love/Hate the Mechanicum Love/Hate the Inquisition - there is no Inquisition! Of course the best are the mysterious yet gaping plot holes we occasionally see. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220897-if-i-see-another/page/2/#findComment-2639226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Oh yes. "My Chapter has a friendly relationship with the Mechanicum. We're not machine cultists like the Iron Hands, we just get along with them better than other Chapters do." One of the weakest forms of Codex divergence. Actually, that's another one: Codex divergence for the sake of Codex divergence. Not to be part of your theme, but just because you want to be different from everyone else you share Codex Space Marines with. It doesn't add anything, it doesn't add anything at all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220897-if-i-see-another/page/2/#findComment-2639258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 That small rant aside, I think that it is unfair to say that you hate certain cliches and repetitive mistakes... This isn't a particularly serious thread, I don't imagine, at least my answers haven't been so.. Except the killing everybody. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220897-if-i-see-another/page/2/#findComment-2639282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringlancer Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I'm tired of seeing cheese sandwiches in my lunch bag. I'm tired of my kids not following directions. I'm tired of the damn neighbor kids on my property. <cue old-man tone> Hey, you kids, get the hell off my lawn! I'm also very tired of snow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220897-if-i-see-another/page/2/#findComment-2639325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecritter Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I'm tired of people giving C&C trying to make someone else's vision into their vision. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220897-if-i-see-another/page/2/#findComment-2639330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I'm tired of seeing cheese sandwiches in my lunch bag. I'm tired of my kids not following directions. I'm tired of the damn neighbor kids on my property. <cue old-man tone> Hey, you kids, get the hell off my lawn! I'm also very tired of snow. These problems must be a burden upon IA/IT creation. I'm tired of people giving C&C trying to make someone else's vision into their vision. I don't really see this much, more guiding to a more acceptable idea.. Which is "better". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220897-if-i-see-another/page/2/#findComment-2639336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
XKhalilX Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Oh yes. "My Chapter has a friendly relationship with the Mechanicum. We're not machine cultists like the Iron Hands, we just get along with them better than other Chapters do." One of the weakest forms of Codex divergence. Actually, that's another one: Codex divergence for the sake of Codex divergence. Not to be part of your theme, but just because you want to be different from everyone else you share Codex Space Marines with. It doesn't add anything, it doesn't add anything at all. so u dont like chapters that have ties to the mechanicum, or ones who dont have a big focus on the omnissiah and just throw it in there? not sure which u meant. not all us omnissiah freaks are like that. See my Children of Eternity in the librarium as example. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220897-if-i-see-another/page/2/#findComment-2639341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Oh yes. "My Chapter has a friendly relationship with the Mechanicum. We're not machine cultists like the Iron Hands, we just get along with them better than other Chapters do." One of the weakest forms of Codex divergence. Actually, that's another one: Codex divergence for the sake of Codex divergence. Not to be part of your theme, but just because you want to be different from everyone else you share Codex Space Marines with. It doesn't add anything, it doesn't add anything at all. so u dont like chapters that have ties to the mechanicum, or ones who dont have a big focus on the omnissiah and just throw it in there? not sure which u meant. not all us omnissiah freaks are like that. See my Children of Eternity in the librarium as example. It's more the "we are this.. why? er.. because..." element, rather than a specific dislike of the AdMech. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220897-if-i-see-another/page/2/#findComment-2639344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rose Princes Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 When i made my chapter back in the days of the 4th codex, i actually did a very detailed search to find a founding that no one, real fluff or diy chapers, used... ended up being the 11th founding. i also started off my back story with "... was created to replace one of the numerous chapter that were recently lost in the warp." i'm personally sick of the people who still.... still claim to be one of the 2 missing primarch chapters that are omitted, even after the books, even after being told no don't do that from everyone within earshot/ham radio shot/satellite phone shot. no you're not a secret mission that the emperor himself told you complete, no they do not involve giant space dragons which you have already caused to be extinct, and no your librarians are not in direct psychic contact with the emperor still. ...those are warp entities trying to corrupt you, you silly egomaniacal heretic! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220897-if-i-see-another/page/2/#findComment-2639350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 no you're not a secret mission that the emperor himself told you complete... No... For I am the Emperor! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220897-if-i-see-another/page/2/#findComment-2639352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Oh yes. "My Chapter has a friendly relationship with the Mechanicum. We're not machine cultists like the Iron Hands, we just get along with them better than other Chapters do." One of the weakest forms of Codex divergence. Actually, that's another one: Codex divergence for the sake of Codex divergence. Not to be part of your theme, but just because you want to be different from everyone else you share Codex Space Marines with. It doesn't add anything, it doesn't add anything at all. so u dont like chapters that have ties to the mechanicum, or ones who dont have a big focus on the omnissiah and just throw it in there? not sure which u meant. not all us omnissiah freaks are like that. See my Children of Eternity in the librarium as example. It's more the "we are this.. why? er.. because..." element, rather than a specific dislike of the AdMech. Hit it on the head, Juan. The AdMech is actually my favorite part of the entire setting — so it's certainly nothing against them! It's just when people try and change the relationship the Space Marines have with the other Imperial Organizations with out reason. Other forms this could take are recruiting Imperial Guard veterans to be Space Marines, or having over-intimate ties with the Inquisition. But the Mechanicum one is the one I personally have seen most often. So it's not actual, legitimate ties to the Mechanicum I don't like. Those can be good and are usually (but not always) part of the Chapter's theme anyways. Sons of Eternity are a fine example. I'm talking about a Chapter that just throws in "Oh, and the Mechanicum likes us" when it doesn't have any special tech-leaning. It has a slight tint of MISS to it. Or more commonly from what I've seen (including outside the Liber) it has to do with someone not actually liking the 40k setting all that much and trying to "fix" it by purposefully contradicting it. UNRELATED EDIT: How would an entire Chapter be lost in the Warp anyways? Once a Chapter is established, it's rarely going to be traveling with its entire fighting strength. Maybe I can see a whole Company being lost, but... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220897-if-i-see-another/page/2/#findComment-2639357 Share on other sites More sharing options...
XKhalilX Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 The AdMech is actually my favorite part of the entire setting — so it's certainly nothing against them! It's just when people try and change the relationship the Space Marines have with the other Imperial Organizations with out reason. Other forms this could take are recruiting Imperial Guard veterans to be Space Marines, or having over-intimate ties with the Inquisition. But the Mechanicum one is the one I personally have seen most often. well im glad to hear it I worked for months on My Children of Eternity, I am very fond of them. There like my child (er children?) I actually was never that into the admech or the iron hands, i read the Iron Hands book, and Iron Father Gdolkin rocked. When I read the Mechanicus book in HH i thought the Admech was incredible. Now my first line of thinking anytime i think of new DIY ideas is if i can make them IH geneseed and do something a bit different then what they have done. IG vets becoming space marines? Isn't that physiologically impossible? there full grown adults by then. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220897-if-i-see-another/page/2/#findComment-2639361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrata Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 IG vets becoming space marines? Isn't that physiologically impossible? there full grown adults by then. Occasionally GW have had grown people becoming Marines - it is rare and I think it has never been promoted by the main GW body (always by side comics etc). I think it is possible in the Science of Marines but it is very, very unlikely to happen - never enough to base a chapter on. For stupid reasons, lets introduce numbers. On puberty males, the gene-seed takes lets say 75% of the time (completely random number). With fully grown males, it would be down below 1% (again, random). So you could always use it for a character, but it doesn't really add that much. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220897-if-i-see-another/page/2/#findComment-2639383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecritter Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I'd say it was higher then 1%. All the stories of the Primarchs tell of their close (adult) friends becoming marines when they were found. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220897-if-i-see-another/page/2/#findComment-2639396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I'd say it was higher then 1%. All the stories of the Primarchs tell of their close (adult) friends becoming marines when they were found. Not strictly true... Luther and Kor Phaeron were augmented and were not "true" Astartes, for example ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220897-if-i-see-another/page/2/#findComment-2639399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecritter Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 There are examples of both sides of the argument. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220897-if-i-see-another/page/2/#findComment-2639401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 There are examples of both sides of the argument. Aye, but your initital statement used the word "all" ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220897-if-i-see-another/page/2/#findComment-2639406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecritter Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Aye, but your initital statement used the word "all" ^_^ Yes but I said 'all' had their friends become marines which is true ... perhaps not 'true' marines as grown through implementation of the gene seed, but still marines. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220897-if-i-see-another/page/2/#findComment-2639421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Aye, but your initital statement used the word "all" <_< Yes but I said 'all' had their friends become marines which is true ... perhaps not 'true' marines as grown through implementation of the gene seed, but still marines. <_< Then, by my own definition, they are not Space Marines.. Thus I rule the world! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220897-if-i-see-another/page/2/#findComment-2639428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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