CKO Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 First I would like to thank you for reading my IA, I have work very hard on it and I think it is almost finished! I would like for you guys to tell me if I am missing something or if there is an area that needs improving. "There will be no words spoken, no greeting, no mission briefing, no acknowledgement. The Undaunted Predators come for battle. They come to hunt." Commander of 243 Cadian Regiment, Colonel Hiosew History/Origins An increase in military activity around the Eye of Terror was a cause of concern for the Imperium. Several Military Commanders and Tech Adepts studying the patterns of attacks believed that the Imperium should prepare itself for another Black Crusade. Around the same time, Astropaths started to have a harder time sending and receiving messages, and other psykers were having visions of plagues, cities engulfed in flames, and Commanders turning upon each other. Already under great duress from Ork Waaghs and Eldar Raids it was clear that the Departmento Munitorum was not going to be able to provide reinforcements to everyone that needed it. Faced with such adversity from all directions the High Lords of Terra approved of the 11th Founding. The Adeptus Mechanicus used Rogal Dorn’s geneseed, selected from the stock of the Iron Knight’s to create the new Chapter. Unlike most Space Marine Chapters who get to select their Home World, the Imperium stationed them on a Feral world in the Oan Drove system. The Chapter was created to patrol the Segmentum Pacificus, while being within range to provide reinforcements to the Eye of Terror if needed. With just enough resources from the self-efficient Oan Drove System and excellent tutelage from the Iron Knight’s training cadre the Undaunted Predators were able to get in full fighting conditions in a short amount of time, and started to have successful campaigns in the Segmentum. According to Imperial Records, after three centuries of Imperial service the chapter along with the entire Oan Drove System was destroyed, considered a victim of the Black Crusade. But in reality Warp Storms had appeared near the Oan Drove System making warp travel and communication with the Imperium impossible. Without communication the citizens of the Oan Drove planets started to panic, their state of panic became outright paranoia when the forces of chaos started to invade the system. However the Undaunted Predators meet this threat head on destroying the initial attack with ease as the enemy was not expecting heavy resistance. Chapter Master Cornelius assembled all of the military leaders of the system and started to prepare the defenses of the Oan Drove System. He decided that they would defend themselves against any foe, until contact with the Imperium could be re-established. The Undaunted Predators setup bases on all of the planets in the system and with the aid of Imperial Guard Regiments of the local planets they fought off the forces of chaos for several millenniums. Unial, Chief Librarian of the Undaunted Predators, became fixated on re-establishing communication with the Imperium. Through years of research and study Unial mastered the Lore of the Astronomican. For centuries he would hunt and feast on the largest predators on Madera, after the feast he would attempt to establish communication. With each failed attempt he would torture himself for several minutes with the pain glove. Unial believed that by following in the footsteps of Rogal Dorn and using the pain glove, he would increase his psychic abilities. Eventually he along with several other psykers in the system was able to create an extremely weak version of an Astronomican for .7 seconds. Despite not even being a spec when compared to the real Astronomican Imperial psykers noticed it and the Imperium immediately sent an Imperial Army to investigate. The warp storms made traveling to the Oan Drove System difficult, but eventually they were able to get within Unial’s long interstellar psychic communication range. Recovering an isolated system located so close to a warp storm was seen as a miracle by the Imperium, but finding a Space Marine Chapter was seen as a blessing from the Emperor himself. Chief Librarian Unial’s communication abilities were unmatched and several members of the Adeptus Astra Telepathica visited him trying to learn how he was able to create an Astronomican, but sadly he died a few months later, many believe from over assertion. He is considered the Savior by the people of the Oan Drove System, and his Chapter honored him by re-naming the Chief Librarian title Unial. Home World The Home World of the Undaunted Predators is Madera. The planet is a huge jungle with various creatures of all different shapes and sizes. The planet’s wildlife is dazzling as every shade of the rainbow can be seen in the scales of reptiles, wings of insects, and the fur of animals. Some of the plants seem to interact with their surroundings changing shape, size, and color similar to underwater anemones. Despite its looks, Madera is a death world full of natural predators that hunt the small tribes of people on the planet. The inhabitants live in a pre-gunpowder age relying on spears, bows and arrows, axes, and swords to hunt for food. The food pyramid on the planet is non-existent, as the smaller animals are capable of destroying and eating the larger predators. Most if not all of the animals on the planet are carnivores, making hunting a trivial game as the predator can easily become the prey. Every boy on Madera is taught how to use a weapon from birth, because every boy’s goal is to become a hunter. The boys setup traps to try to catch wild animals, if they accomplish this goal, they become trappers. The trappers act as scouts and lookout for predators and warn the village whenever a predator or pack is spotted. The young man can attempt to kill the predator alone or wait and join the hunters in the fight against the predators. If the trapper is able to kill or greatly assist in the killing of a predator, he becomes a hunter. As a hunter he joins the men and goes out in small groups in search of prey that can feed the village for weeks or even months. The Hunters on the planet make excellent recruits for several reasons; one being that their martial prowess is above average for humans. They are fearless often hunting creatures up to 50 times their size. Similar to a trapper trying to become a hunter, Maderains are always trying to get the kill or prove they are worthy. Beliefs The tribes all have different deities that they worship but they all function the same way rewarding hunters with strength. They believe that their deity gives everyone a certain amount of strength at birth and the only way to gain strength is by hunting. When the Space Marines arrived and started to build their Fortress Monastery, the tribesmen saw them kill the most deadly animals on the planet as they cleared out space for their structures. They recognized the marines as divine beings blessed beyond comprehension for their hunting skills, and acknowledged them as the best hunters and thus rulers of the planet. The Undaunted Predators belief slowly changed as the number of native marines increased, they now believe that the Emperor is a God and that the Primarchs are his sons. They believe that each Space Marine chapter is a tribe that worships one of the Primarchs. They believe that each Space Marine tries to please their Primarch by hunting down their foes on the battlefield, in hopes of being rewarded with strength. They believe that one day the Emperor will rise and call for his Sons and the strongest amongst their tribes to participate in the “Great Hunt”. Organization Years of isolation and fighting alone forced the Undaunted Predators to deviate away from the Codex Astartes. The marines that fought on different planets developed their own personal fighting style, and each group of marines became a unique company, called a Pack. Similar to the tribes on Madera, the leader of the companies or Alpha Males is determined by the individual who has been rewarded with the most strength. Your rank in your pack is strictly determined by your perceived blessings or Strength of Dorn. Everyone in the chapter is constantly seeking great feats on the battlefield to receive more strength. If the Strength of Dorn runs thick in your veins you have the same benefits as a 1st Company Veteran and might become the Alpha Male of your pack. The Chapter Master is the Alpha Male who has earned the most strength in the eyes of his fellow Alpha Males. The Chapter Master can lose his position if another Alpha Male is deemed more worthy, so even the most elite continue to strive for more strength from Dorn. Gene-seed The Undaunted Predators use the gene-seed of Rogal Dorn, and as a result their butcher’s gland and sus-membrane do not function correctly. The Undaunted Predator’s neuroglottis and omophagea has mutated over time allowing them to hunt more efficiently, and it is also believe that their animalistic like rage is due to this as well. Battle Doctrine The Undaunted Predators strategy is to get within CQC range or “Hunting Range” as quickly as possible, once in Hunting Range the Undaunted Predators attack with an unmatched tenacity. Those that have witness them fight believe they behave more like untamed beast than Astartes in battle. This is somewhat true as their mutated neuroglottis and omophagea work together giving them the ability to access memories of predators from their Home World, which they use to invoke a feral rage. To come face to face with an Undaunted Predator is to face an animal with the cruelest of intentions, for your death is his glory, recognition, and prayer. Battle Cry “For Strength, For Dorn” Thanks Again! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220950-undaunted-predators/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightrawenII Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Origins According to Imperial Records, after three centuries of Imperial service the chapter along with the entire Oan Drove System was destroyed, considered a victim of the Black Crusade. - This was... unexpected. B) The Undaunted Predators setup bases on all of the planets in the system and with the aid of Imperial Guard Regiments of the local planets they fought off the forces of chaos for several millenniums. - millenia. Unial, Chief Librarian of the Undaunted Predators, became fixated on re-establishing communication with the Imperium. - At first, I thought that his name is typo. -_- Through years of research and study Unial mastered the Lore of the Astronomican. - The inter-stellar communication is called Astro-Telepathy or Astropathy for short. The Astronomican is beacon for inter-stellar travel navigation. For centuries he would hunt and feast on the largest predators on Madera, after the feast he would attempt to establish communication. - And how is this going to help him with his attempts? Eventually he along with several other psykers in the system was able to create an extremely weak version of an Astronomican for .7 seconds. Observation: The Astronomican is fueled by 10,000 specially trained psykers. Despite not even being a spec when compared to the real Astronomican Imperial psykers noticed it and the Imperium immediately sent an Imperial Army to investigate. The warp storms made traveling to the Oan Drove System difficult, but eventually they were able to get within Unial’s long interstellar psychic communication range. - Putting aside the high improbability of such thing, What about other way around? Sending a ship outside the system to re-estabilish the contact. Chief Librarian Unial’s communication abilities were unmatched and several members of the Adeptus Astra Telepathica visited him trying to learn how he was able to create an Astronomican - Adeptus Astronomica is in the charge of Astronomican. Home World The inhabitants live in a pre-gunpowder age relying on spears, bows and arrows, axes, and swords to hunt for food. - Observation: The sword is one of the first human tools made for the sole purpose of killing another human and is practically useless in other areas of utilization. Most if not all of the animals on the planet are carnivores, making hunting a trivial game as the predator can easily become the prey. - Unlikely, but hey... - Trivial? The Hunters on the planet make excellent recruits for several reasons; one being that their martial prowess is above average for humans. - Hunter skill =/= martial prowess. Beliefs The tribes all have different deities that they worship but they all function the same way rewarding hunters with strength. They believe that their deity gives everyone a certain amount of strength at birth and the only way to gain strength is by hunting. - *cough* Blood for *cough* the Blood-God! *cough* Skulls fo the *cough* Skull-Throne! *cough* They believe that each Space Marine tries to please their Primarch by hunting down their foes on the battlefield, in hopes of being rewarded with strength. They believe that one day the Emperor will rise and call for his Sons and the strongest amongst their tribes to participate in the “Great Hunt”. - *cough* Blood for *cough* the Blood-God! *cough* Skulls fo the *cough* Skull-Throne! *cough* Organisation The marines that fought on different planets developed their own personal fighting style, and each group of marines became a unique company, called a Pack. - Yes, No and Depends. It is possible for units fighting in isolation, but your marines share the Homeworld and Base of Operation, so the difference between companies will be minimal. Your rank in your pack is strictly determined by your perceived blessings or Strength of Dorn. Everyone in the chapter is constantly seeking great feats on the battlefield to receive more strength. If the Strength of Dorn runs thick in your veins you have the same benefits as a 1st Company Veteran and might become the Alpha Male of your pack. The Chapter Master is the Alpha Male who has earned the most strength in the eyes of his fellow Alpha Males. The Chapter Master can lose his position if another Alpha Male is deemed more worthy, so even the most elite continue to strive for more strength from Dorn. - *cough* Blood for *cough* the Blood-God! *cough* Skulls fo the *cough* Skull-Throne! *cough* (I'm not joking, I swear! :unsure: ) Battle Doctrine - *cough* Blood for *cough* the Blood-God! *cough* Skulls fo the *cough* Skull-Throne! *cough* (For the last time, ;) ) +++ Overall: Good ideas, but the millenia of separation = non-codex can be seen on mile away. And their belief and doctines looks suspiciously similar to the worship of Khorne. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220950-undaunted-predators/#findComment-2638748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKO Posted January 29, 2011 Author Share Posted January 29, 2011 I knew I could count on you! :P OriginsAccording to Imperial Records, after three centuries of Imperial service the chapter along with the entire Oan Drove System was destroyed, considered a victim of the Black Crusade. - This was... unexpected. :P Are you being sarcastic? ^_^ The Undaunted Predators setup bases on all of the planets in the system and with the aid of Imperial Guard Regiments of the local planets they fought off the forces of chaos for several millenniums.- millenia. Will be fixed. Unial, Chief Librarian of the Undaunted Predators, became fixated on re-establishing communication with the Imperium.- At first, I thought that his name is typo. -_- I just came up with something will most likely change his name. Through years of research and study Unial mastered the Lore of the Astronomican.- The inter-stellar communication is called Astro-Telepathy or Astropathy for short. The Astronomican is beacon for inter-stellar travel navigation. The Lore is a teaching utensil, I found it on Lexicanum. For centuries he would hunt and feast on the largest predators on Madera, after the feast he would attempt to establish communication.- And how is this going to help him with his attempts? It is part of their beliefs that hunting makes you stronger, but this is before the belief section so I might have to change it. Eventually he along with several other psykers in the system was able to create an extremely weak version of an Astronomican for .7 seconds.Observation: The Astronomican is fueled by 10,000 specially trained psykers. Despite not even being a spec when compared to the real Astronomican Imperial psykers noticed it and the Imperium immediately sent an Imperial Army to investigate. The warp storms made traveling to the Oan Drove System difficult, but eventually they were able to get within Unial’s long interstellar psychic communication range. - Putting aside the high improbability of such thing, What about other way around? Sending a ship outside the system to re-estabilish the contact. I did my very best to down play the accomplishment as I know the amount of pyschic power it takes the power the Astronomican is extreme. I like to think that the Astronomican is a huge fire in the middle of the universe and what Unial and the other psykers accomplished was a fail attempt to light a match, but it was noticed by others. Chief Librarian Unial’s communication abilities were unmatched and several members of the Adeptus Astra Telepathica visited him trying to learn how he was able to create an Astronomican- Adeptus Astronomica is in the charge of Astronomican. The Adeptus Astra Telepathica is responsible for teaching, I guess I will say both came to visit him. Home WorldThe inhabitants live in a pre-gunpowder age relying on spears, bows and arrows, axes, and swords to hunt for food. - Observation: The sword is one of the first human tools made for the sole purpose of killing another human and is practically useless in other areas of utilization. There are humanoid shape predators on Madera. Most if not all of the animals on the planet are carnivores, making hunting a trivial game as the predator can easily become the prey.- Unlikely, but hey... - Trivial? Poor choice of words! The Hunters on the planet make excellent recruits for several reasons; one being that their martial prowess is above average for humans.- Hunter skill =/= martial prowess. Poor choice of words again! <_< BeliefsThe tribes all have different deities that they worship but they all function the same way rewarding hunters with strength. They believe that their deity gives everyone a certain amount of strength at birth and the only way to gain strength is by hunting. - *cough* Blood for *cough* the Blood-God! *cough* Skulls fo the *cough* Skull-Throne! *cough* At the end of the day isnt everything Blood for the Blood-God? They believe that each Space Marine tries to please their Primarch by hunting down their foes on the battlefield, in hopes of being rewarded with strength. They believe that one day the Emperor will rise and call for his Sons and the strongest amongst their tribes to participate in the “Great Hunt”.- *cough* Blood for *cough* the Blood-God! *cough* Skulls fo the *cough* Skull-Throne! *cough* I did a poor job in this section as it can easily be interpreted that way. I thought that by having this type of belief, my chapter would be able to be like Rogal Dorn during that brief time when he was vulnerable and vengeful, or atleast that is my opinion of him after reading IA II. After the Emperor was placed on the Golden Throne he went on a crusade of penitence believing that it was his fault. I want my marines to fight with a similar purpose (trying to prove themselves) but I made it to where they fought to gain strength as oppose of the boring redemption them, however like you said it sounds like khorne. OrganisationThe marines that fought on different planets developed their own personal fighting style, and each group of marines became a unique company, called a Pack. - Yes, No and Depends. It is possible for units fighting in isolation, but your marines share the Homeworld and Base of Operation, so the difference between companies will be minimal. Ofcourse the difference is minimal, I am not trying to make a reason to use any codex I want, I will use either the Space Wolves or Black Templar codex. Your rank in your pack is strictly determined by your perceived blessings or Strength of Dorn. Everyone in the chapter is constantly seeking great feats on the battlefield to receive more strength. If the Strength of Dorn runs thick in your veins you have the same benefits as a 1st Company Veteran and might become the Alpha Male of your pack. The Chapter Master is the Alpha Male who has earned the most strength in the eyes of his fellow Alpha Males. The Chapter Master can lose his position if another Alpha Male is deemed more worthy, so even the most elite continue to strive for more strength from Dorn.- *cough* Blood for *cough* the Blood-God! *cough* Skulls fo the *cough* Skull-Throne! *cough* (I'm not joking, I swear! <_< ) Yeah, I know I know but I have come up with a way to make it different! Battle Doctrine- *cough* Blood for *cough* the Blood-God! *cough* Skulls fo the *cough* Skull-Throne! *cough* (For the last time, ;) ) :P +++Overall: Good ideas, but the millenia of separation = non-codex can be seen on mile away. And their belief and doctines looks suspiciously similar to the worship of Khorne. I know that the warp thing is used alot but mine idea is different. I cant really call it "mine" as that is simply what happens when a warp storm appears, it makes communication and traveling almost impossible. It seems to be a common problem and I think me using it is conservative and believable, compared to the we come out of warp space and save the day. I want my chapter to have a nice little place to sit and fit into the 40k universe as to standing out with some amazing plot. Thanks as always I will make some changes, specifically the Khorne thing thanks again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220950-undaunted-predators/#findComment-2639447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generating Random Name... Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 For starters I like the way this is written :) "There will be no words spoken, no greeting, no mission briefing, no acknowledgement. The Undaunted Predators come for battle. They come to hunt." Commander of 243 Cadian Regiment, Colonel Hiosew Why do you have an Imperial Guard commander saying what I think could be a very good Chapter motto? However the Undaunted Predators meet this threat head on destroying the initial attack with ease as the enemy was not expecting heavy resistance. That "Meet" should be "Met" Chapter Master Cornelius assembled all of the military leaders of the system and started to prepare the defenses of the Oan Drove System. He decided that they would defend themselves against any foe, until contact with the Imperium could be re-established. The Undaunted Predators setup bases on all of the planets in the system and with the aid of Imperial Guard Regiments of the local planets they fought off the forces of chaos for several millenniums. Would these IG regiments have been recruited from the system, if so, do they/did they worship the Space marines as Herads of the gods? Eventually he along with several other psykers in the system was able to create an extremely weak version of an Astronomican for .7 seconds. 0.7 seconds? He is considered the Savior by the people of the Oan Drove System, and his Chapter honored him by re-naming the Chief Librarian title Unial. should that be "Chief Librarian's title" Every boy on Madera is taught how to use a weapon from birth, because every boy’s goal is to become a hunter. The boys setup traps to try to catch wild animals, if they accomplish this goal, they become trappers. Is this the first step on the road to manhood? When the Space Marines arrived and started to build their Fortress Monastery, the tribesmen saw them kill the most deadly animals on the planet as they cleared out space for their structures. If the animals are 50 times the size of humans they must be pretty big to SM as well, so how did they do this effectively? They believe that one day the Emperor will rise and call for his Sons and the strongest amongst their tribes to participate in the “Great Hunt”. This would fit in quite well if you plan on using the SW codex... Battle Cry “For Strength, For Dorn” Doesn't scream Animalistic Hunter for some reason ;) Once again, i quite like this IA. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220950-undaunted-predators/#findComment-2639510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKO Posted January 30, 2011 Author Share Posted January 30, 2011 Well thank you I put alot of time into it, I have gotten alot of compliments on the quote. The regiments do not venerate the marines as much as usual because fighting with them for so long they have lost some of the mystic. .7 seconds is quite alot when your talking about creating a miniature astronimican. I always have alot of grammar errors I try to work out as many as possible. What quote would you suggest Generating random names? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220950-undaunted-predators/#findComment-2639615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKO Posted January 30, 2011 Author Share Posted January 30, 2011 I am working on an IA, and someone pointed out to me that my belief system is very khorne like. I see how it is similar but do you guys should change it? Belief The tribes all have different deities that they worship but they all function the same way rewarding hunters with strength. They believe that their deity gives everyone a certain amount of strength at birth and the only way to gain strength is by hunting. When the Space Marines arrived and started to build their Fortress Monastery, the tribesmen saw them kill the most deadly animals on the planet as they cleared out space for their structures. They recognized the marines as divine beings blessed beyond comprehension for their hunting skills, and acknowledged them as the best hunters and thus rulers of the planet. The Undaunted Predators belief slowly changed as the number of native marines increased, they now believe that the Emperor is a God and that the Primarchs are his sons. They believe that each Space Marine chapter is a tribe that worships one of the Primarchs. They believe that each Space Marine tries to please their Primarch by hunting down their foes on the battlefield, in hopes of being rewarded with strength. They believe that one day the Emperor will rise and call for his Sons and the strongest amongst their tribes to participate in the “Great Hunt”. Is this to much like Blood for the Blood God? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220950-undaunted-predators/#findComment-2639664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shiny One Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 I am no expert, but the khorne belief includes blood and collecting skulls. So as long as they only hunt, as in hunting to eat, it should be ok. On a side note: The Beastmen, back in the day in the Imperial Guard, worshiped the Emperor by collecting skulls. So every one thought they had the khornething going, but its not explained how this ended and if they really honored khorne instead of the Emperor. But as long as no one innocent is dying, the similarities could even be fun to have, don't you thing? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220950-undaunted-predators/#findComment-2639839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Ultimately all bloodshed in war is a form of worship to Khorne, witting or otherwise. I didn't think the hunting thing was particularly Khornate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220950-undaunted-predators/#findComment-2639852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generating Random Name... Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 What quote would you suggest Generating random names? Blood for the Blood god!? just kidding, roughly what time period is this Battlecry for? This could be a good "pre-Lost to the Imperium" one but they may have changed it or adopted a new one alongside this one when they started to deviate from the Codex and become more Hunter-like. Or after they get back in touch with the Imperium they may have changed it again. .7 seconds is quite alot when your talking about creating a miniature astronimican. I was just thinking say "O.7 seconds" instead of ".7 seconds" I like the idea I always have alot of grammar errors I try to work out as many as possible. Why do that when you can get people like me to check :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220950-undaunted-predators/#findComment-2640010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Hunter Ydalir Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Is this to much like Blood for the Blood God? No. As long as, as a hunter you have due reverence and understanding of the world around you, you're not a bloodthirsty monster. There is a difference to a hunter, a true hunter and a sport-shooter or poacher. If you show that there is more to their beliefs than just the kill itself, you're fine. Think of the difference between a North American Native Indian tribal hunter, and one of the European Settlers. One hunts with due reverence and knowledge of the world around them, the other just hunts for the kill irregardless of the consequences. Both fight for their right to live against each other though. I think I've rambled off track a little towards the end there. Do you get what I'm driving at? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220950-undaunted-predators/#findComment-2640035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKO Posted January 30, 2011 Author Share Posted January 30, 2011 What quote would you suggest Generating random names? Blood for the Blood god!? just kidding, roughly what time period is this Battlecry for? This could be a good "pre-Lost to the Imperium" one but they may have changed it or adopted a new one alongside this one when they started to deviate from the Codex and become more Hunter-like. Or after they get back in touch with the Imperium they may have changed it again. I like this idea of pre-lost, I could show more examples of how/why they changed. The battlecry can be one of many things that changed because of isolation, by doing this I can contrast them to other chapters. .7 seconds is quite alot when your talking about creating a miniature astronimican. I was just thinking say "O.7 seconds" instead of ".7 seconds" I like the idea Point taken There is a difference to a hunter, a true hunter and a sport-shooter or poacher. If you show that there is more to their beliefs than just the kill itself, you're fine. Think of the difference between a North American Native Indian tribal hunter, and one of the European Settlers. One hunts with due reverence and knowledge of the world around them, the other just hunts for the kill irregardless of the consequences. Both fight for their right to live against each other though. I think I've rambled off track a little towards the end there. Do you get what I'm driving at? Thank you Grey Hunter I never thought of it that way! There is a major difference between hunting for sport and hunting for religious purposes, I will make changes to show/explain that. Here is a picture of one of the first Undaunted Predators! http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2011/1/30/179321_sm-.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220950-undaunted-predators/#findComment-2640260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Hunter Ydalir Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 An increase in military activity around the Eye of Terror was a cause of concern for the Imperium. Quickly before I head off: What other type of activity would you be looking at in regards to the EoT? There aren't many tea parties held there, nor daemonette-jelly-wrestling events. Military is pretty much all you've got. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220950-undaunted-predators/#findComment-2640266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generating Random Name... Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Are you sure the Undaunted Predators aren't Chaos marines? :P Although Chaos doesn't own the rights to horns on helmets, the Inquisition maybe does not see these as symbols of hunters (If that's what they are) and possibly checks more rigourously for signs of taint with this chapter than others? Just a thought, 'cause if i saw him i might think he was a chaos marine, I like the painjob though, looks well done :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220950-undaunted-predators/#findComment-2640276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKO Posted January 30, 2011 Author Share Posted January 30, 2011 Are you sure the Undaunted Predators aren't Chaos marines? :PAlthough Chaos doesn't own the rights to horns on helmets, the Inquisition maybe does not see these as symbols of hunters (If that's what they are) and possibly checks more rigourously for signs of taint with this chapter than others? :P I think that it fits the theme so well for a chapter that venerates hunting, its only natural that they have something that shows they are hunters, also it is part of the recruiting/training process. The inquisition checks them more rigourously for several reasons; they resemble chaos marines, their gene-seed record is very short due to isolation, the gene-seed has mutated, and they dont follow the Codex Astartes. The main problem the Inquisition has with the Undaunted Predators is that they refuse to give up control of the Oan Drove system! Similar to the way the Ultramarines (pg 14 Space Marine codex) and Space Wolves (pg 6 Space Wolves codex) run several systems, the Undaunted Predator will continue to have control over this one small system. Just a thought, 'cause if i saw him i might think he was a chaos marine, I like the painjob though, looks well done :) I wanted to make them as different as possible, I think the horns creates an eerie effect amongst other Imperial forces, but they just have to live with it :blink: . To friends and foes they look more like monsters than Astartes, they fight with an animal like rage, and their often heard battlecry gives hints that they fight for a more a divine reason. "There will be no words spoken, no greeting, no mission briefing, no acknowledgement. The Undaunted Predators come for battle. They come to hunt." Commander of 243 Cadian Regiment, Colonel Hiosew ;) , perfect timing for the quote! An increase in military activity around the Eye of Terror was a cause of concern for the Imperium. Quickly before I head off: What other type of activity would you be looking at in regards to the EoT? There aren't many tea parties held there, nor daemonette-jelly-wrestling events. Military is pretty much all you've got. I would assume that there is alot of psychic activity around the Eye of Terror, as the chaos daemons are constantly looking for weak minded psykers to exploit, unknown space craft activity as chaos ships try to avoid the Imperial Navy, and religious cult activites that may lead to rebellion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220950-undaunted-predators/#findComment-2640362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generating Random Name... Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 The main problem the Inquisition has with the Undaunted Predators is that they refuse to give up control of the Oan Drove system! Similar to the way the Ultramarines (pg 14 Space Marine codex) and Space Wolves (pg 6 Space Wolves codex) run several systems, the Undaunted Predator will continue to have control over this one small system. And in more recent history the Astral claws, this led to the Badab war, hopefully yours won't go the same way? :) "There will be no words spoken, no greeting, no mission briefing, no acknowledgement. The Undaunted Predators come for battle. They come to hunt." Commander of 243 Cadian Regiment, Colonel Hiosew :D , perfect timing for the quote! Indeed it is, just thought of a possible Battle cry "Hunt through strength!" shouted by leaders "Strength though the Hunt!" replied by men Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220950-undaunted-predators/#findComment-2640502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
asfargone Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 any hard-edge fighting force is going to become pretty chaos-like, and khorne is please by any blood whatsoever. truth is, the difference between good and bad is tiny right at the battle-line, but ritual and artefact based religion will always cover itself in things it believes in, like those aquilas, too many of them. they actually resemble the krull...i forget exactly the name. a Tau based species which plays hell with the IG. i would suggest the use of multiple and smaller horns, since mechanically speaking a horn bigger than your head is not good for your head. you may wish to look up IG death world fighters for a more complete set of details. psychic growth is done through mental torment, psychic movement is done through continuity of mental-state. pain-glove sounds cool though, because i don't know whatit looks like. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220950-undaunted-predators/#findComment-2640533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Hunter Ydalir Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 they actually resemble the krull...i forget exactly the name. Kroot. I would assume that there is alot of psychic activity around the Eye of Terror, as the chaos daemons are constantly looking for weak minded psykers to exploit, unknown space craft activity as chaos ships try to avoid the Imperial Navy, and religious cult activites that may lead to rebellion. The fact is that the word 'military' doesn't sound or feel right in the context of 40k. Everything is the military (virtually) and just about everything else is a militarized conflict of some description. The only times it isn't is perhaps when an AdMech explorator fleet bombs some hapless xenos world into dust for their technology and raw materials, their military meaning nothing to them, that's more genocide than anything else. The 'military' is a separation from professional soldiers and civilians, all under a civilian government. The Imperium is not like this so whenever I see the word used it never sits right with me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220950-undaunted-predators/#findComment-2640824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
asfargone Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 mmm, maybe yes, maybe no. this genre is almost entirely about warfare in the ever-so distant future, but it cannot be entirely warfare, that would be impossible, you need food and weapons and wot. the problem is that we cannot see this civilian world because it doesn't apply to the operation of its basis, the table-top game. hmmm, what would be a fruit's basket version of wh40k? would it even be worth discussing? as far as table-top goes having multiple chapters just means that you get a complete set of varied statistical values, making the ability to have any competent means of death-dealing that could be fathomed in a game-sense. the literature is created thereof because the game signifies a true occurence rather than a cute fan-based spoof. as such, despite the bland strained style astartes usually occur to be, their story is for all practical purposes true. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220950-undaunted-predators/#findComment-2648459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKO Posted February 6, 2011 Author Share Posted February 6, 2011 mmm, maybe yes, maybe no. this genre is almost entirely about warfare in the ever-so distant future, but it cannot be entirely warfare, that would be impossible, you need food and weapons and wot. the problem is that we cannot see this civilian world because it doesn't apply to the operation of its basis, the table-top game. hmmm, what would be a fruit's basket version of wh40k? would it even be worth discussing?as far as table-top goes having multiple chapters just means that you get a complete set of varied statistical values, making the ability to have any competent means of death-dealing that could be fathomed in a game-sense. the literature is created thereof because the game signifies a true occurence rather than a cute fan-based spoof. as such, despite the bland strained style astartes usually occur to be, their story is for all practical purposes true. :blush: what are you talking about? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220950-undaunted-predators/#findComment-2648506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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