eaglefists13 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Just musing but as its mentioned that Sergeant Kohl is a vetern from Terra and fought alongside the Emperor in the first battles of the crusade I have a question. When the Dark Angels discover Caliban and are reunited with the Lion, the Emperor is present. This ties in with Sergeant Kohl's past. Okay so if the Emperor was present then how is it that The Dark Angels known as the First Legion and having the longest heritage of all legions is travelling in the 4th expediditionary fleet? This makes no sense to me, the crusade was meant to be the domain of the Space Marines as it was their purpose on creation, so where are the 1st to 3rd Fleets and who would of been in them if not the First Legion. Anyone have any further info or thoughts on this? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220975-expeditionary-fleet-numbers/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
GooseDaMoose Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Maybe the first 3 fleets were just scouting expeditionary fleets and didn't have any Space Marines? or only the Emperor and his personal guard or whatevs, like custodians? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220975-expeditionary-fleet-numbers/#findComment-2638895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solidus Veneris Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 It seems to me to have a fairly easy and logical answer, this question. The entire legion was not present in one expeditionary fleet. Makes sense to not keep all of your eggs in one basket, especially when these eggs can number in the tens of thousands. First 3 were probably other Dark Angels, unless it states somewhere that the entire legion was present in the 4th fleet, upon the discovery of Caliban. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220975-expeditionary-fleet-numbers/#findComment-2640218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doghouse Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 I think it could have been that the Emperor knew that he'd find the Lion on Caliban and so it'd make sense to have them in the 4th expeditionary fleet who were heading in that direction. It's more likely that Legions were assigned to expeditions based on their skills and maybe because of the regions that the expeditions were assigned to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220975-expeditionary-fleet-numbers/#findComment-2640239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearersOfSalvation Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 They don't put an entire legion on a single fleet, detachments are spread across multiple fleets. Also, there's apparently no significance to fleet numbering (unlike marine companies), the first fleet isn't considered better than the others. There are some fleets without an astartes presence also, whether used for scouting or for conquering lightly held systems. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220975-expeditionary-fleet-numbers/#findComment-2640552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 the numbering of the fleets and legions had nothing to do with how long they've been around. All Astartes Legions were created simultaneously. The fleets don't have to be in order. And as mentioned previously, the legions were split up for practicality. They would have more reach that way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220975-expeditionary-fleet-numbers/#findComment-2641095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglefists13 Posted January 31, 2011 Author Share Posted January 31, 2011 The legion sizes at the beginnings of the Crusade wouldn't of been that big. The Custodes weren't bred for war in the same sense as the Astartes so that makes no sense, the Fist Expedition would of been one of intense pomp and ceremony as it would of started the crusade so wouldn't of been surveyors or such so that makes no sense either. Â As they Crusade started it would of comprised all available marines and ships and only got bigger as new worlds and Primarchs were re-discovered, the Angels at this point were the first , not because of their Primarch but because they were the First legion to be a legion, would any other Legion be first out there? Â We know from available materials tha the Emperor created the Alpha's just before they were discovered, this implies that not all legions were created at the same time. Â We know that there was geneseed problems with the Emperors Children leading to very low numbers and the Thousand sons with mutation in geneseed (although at that point Ahriman and his siblimng appear to be on earth still with the Emperor present (sidenote only after Ullanor does it mention that the Emperor is to return home whcih would imply that he had spent all that time in the midst of the Crusade) Â Only after being re-united were the legions able to increase in size as the Primarch geneseed was now available to use. The symbolism of re-uniting the lost civilisations would of meant that the Emperor would of been at the forefornt of the First expedition. Is there a logical answer? The First Legion, the one who fought at the side of the Emperor in the first battles of the crusade not in the First Expedition.. Seems somewhat illogical. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220975-expeditionary-fleet-numbers/#findComment-2641684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearersOfSalvation Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Again, the fleet numbers are just designations, they don't have the extra special meaning you're attaching to them. The start of the great crusade wasn't one single fleet flying around, it was a huge number of fleets setting off. You may be getting confused because you're not familiar with the word 'Expeditionary' - it's a standard term for military formations that means 'a formation made to move outside of our territory', as opposed to primarily defensive formations. So 1st expeditionary fleet is like 1st infantry division, it's just a number telling which fleet you're talking about, it's not saying that it was the first expedition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220975-expeditionary-fleet-numbers/#findComment-2642820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigger-than-Jesus Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Also, the legion numbers directly relate to the number of each legion's primarch's capsule. So the 1st legion wouldn't neccessarily be much older than the second legion, and as IIRC the majority of legions fought in the Unification wars the Dark Angels wouldn't have automatically been the most decorated either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/220975-expeditionary-fleet-numbers/#findComment-2642891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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