DarkLiege Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 so far I only want to pick a name for my chapter to begin with and then going from there with the backgrounds and homwold so everything would not be confusing later on. so moving on this is what i got so far: 1. Shadow Paladins 2. Stealth Wolves 3.Black Angels (i know this sounds like it could be from a BA Chapter or even a Chaos Warband none the less) 4.Black Hawks or 5.Black Ravens (but i believe this name is taken already just not sure, if anyone knows just tell me) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221026-help-with-my-diy-chapter/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKO Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 I would not worry so much about the name, focus on other things first and the perfect name might pop up! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221026-help-with-my-diy-chapter/#findComment-2639675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLiege Posted January 30, 2011 Author Share Posted January 30, 2011 I'm also thinking of have the Raptor chapter do the geneseed for the chapter and train them in the art of unseen warfare. like how the Raptor chapter trained themselves when they crash landed on the planet, the Raptor chapter picked a planet in which is similar to the forest they trained in. but before the chapter is in full combat readiness they were called into duty to stop a ork incursion in a neighboring planet. what happened down on the planet is still in much confusing and still argue upon but one thing remain clear and that is that this would result in a massacre of the chapter leaving only 5 companies intact. with the lose of most of their brothers, they pledge an oath that would forever change the chapter, to hone their skill to perfection against any xenos, or chaos incursions. There homeworld is a death world named Arozth in the north eastern section of the ultima segmentum.their fortress monastery is called the hawkeye or something(still deciding on the name). the chapter i was thinking could be a 26th founding chapter. the chapter uses drop pods to deploy fast onto the battlefield like their parent chapter but do not rely on any vehicles as it could slow down their progress. they also make use of scouts to provide them with information and recon of the enemies. this is all i got so far so feel free to put it up for debate as to how to improve on it or changed it in anyway possible thanks for much. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221026-help-with-my-diy-chapter/#findComment-2639684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Black Hawks seems the most appropriate. Fighting xenos and Chaos is basically the entirety of a Space Marine's duties. Pledging to perfect that is pledging to be a Space Marine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221026-help-with-my-diy-chapter/#findComment-2639714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armor Athlete Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 I would read the tips on starting a DIY. Have fun with it. The name is really the last thing or least important, but it could help with the ideas of your Chapter Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221026-help-with-my-diy-chapter/#findComment-2639798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLiege Posted January 30, 2011 Author Share Posted January 30, 2011 okay i thought up the organization of the chapter while in bed. As for the name chapter I'm still thinking about since it will give me a picture of how the chapter would operated thats all. 1st company--> Veterans 2nd--6th company--> tacticals or more specific Ambush companies, these companies would be on foot carrying only a bolter gun and chainsword with them into battle 7th --9th company--> Assault Companies equiped with jump packs 10th company--> Scout company or renamed as the Shadows companies As for the Librarians i was thinking that they could be strategies in the whole plan and the master Librarian is instead called the master strategies in the Chapter this is what i had so far as to the organization part of the company. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221026-help-with-my-diy-chapter/#findComment-2640032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shiny One Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 But strategies with psykic power or not? Without would be kind of interesting, being Raptor successors perhaps they dont believe in the hole magic thing and rather rely on strategy and there weapons... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221026-help-with-my-diy-chapter/#findComment-2640076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLiege Posted January 30, 2011 Author Share Posted January 30, 2011 thanks alot for the tip and i might just do that a chapter without librarians(maybe) the color shceme i came up with for this is something like this but the more i look at it the more its like a chaos marine warband color scheme. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/sm/bpe=...spacemarine.jpg tell me what you guys think of it overall. and thanks for all the comments so far. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221026-help-with-my-diy-chapter/#findComment-2640091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Hunter Ydalir Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 It's a fine scheme, it just looks like the Black Templars to me. Maybe go for something a little more original than red and black? Those two together are particularly overdone. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221026-help-with-my-diy-chapter/#findComment-2640097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shiny One Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Ha just even read in the Horus Heresy Collected Visions, that Corax was one of the Primarch, who refused to fight alongside Librarians. And somehow the link doesn't work in my Browser. So no comments on the color scheme. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221026-help-with-my-diy-chapter/#findComment-2640127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Renatus Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Some thoughts: - Nothing wrong with being a stealthy, rapid strike chapter. The inevitable question you get asked is, why? What forced the High Lords to set the Chapter up in such a way, or what occurred in their own history that forced the evolution - Names: As has been said...not crucial to start, but it can add some direction for you. A stealthy chapter doesn't have to have a stealthy name. You can be the "Ultra-Awesomely Blazing Swords of Death and Destruction" and still be Chapter committed to insurgent style tactics. E.g. the Alpha Legion, granted they are chaos but the name tells you nothing of their tactics. Only their symbol, a hydra, even indicates their style of warfare - Colors: Point of Fact concerning camoflage in warfare, black is not an exceptionally stealthy color. It's darker than any naturally occurring shade, so, in fact, it tends to stand out when applied too heavily. Several books suggest the Raven Guard's armor isn't truly black at all, but some sort of paint that mutes itself to the amount of shadow around it. So where am I going with all this? True stealth colors aren't all that sexy and bad-a$$. They are colors like Catachan Green, or Necron Abyss, or Knarloc Hide, or Adeptus Battle Gray. Not saying you can't incorporate black in there, but it shouldn't be the dominant color. - If the Chapter was just founded, they would know why they lost 5 companies to the Orks. It would be a huge issue in their chapter cult. Their first mission and, successful or not, they lose half the chapter? Ouch. Also, by detailing what happened your readers can better understand what happens after that as the chapter evolves - Previous comments are correct; killing traitors, mutants, heretics, and aliens is what we do. Gleefully so. Now, maybe your chapter will disengage from a battle to pursue Orks above all other enemies? Their mercurial behavior earning them no favor with other Imperial forces or even fellow Space Marines...just thoughts. Hope this helps. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221026-help-with-my-diy-chapter/#findComment-2640162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLiege Posted January 31, 2011 Author Share Posted January 31, 2011 thanks for the replies and i will get started at the things that you guys advice me on thanks. as for why i did not write in what happen to the 5 lost companies in the battle is because i did not find an reason for them loosing the lost chapters. i would have to say that the the high lords of terra issues the deveolpment of the chapter to combat the ever growing present of the orks in the region thats attacking hive worlds and such. i might make them continuing to battle the orks as their arch-enemy. Would it be okay to have them accompany their parent chapter the Raptors in the third war of Armageddon? or is this just a lazy plot onbehalf of myself? here are some new color schemes i came up with: this color scheme is similar to that of the Raptors or this one Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221026-help-with-my-diy-chapter/#findComment-2640764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLiege Posted January 31, 2011 Author Share Posted January 31, 2011 okay so far here is what i got(a rough outline of the chapter). still thinking of a name to call this chapter. Origins: upon M41, there has been more and more Ork incursions lately in the galaxy. So in order to deal with this menace, the High Lords of Terra decided it was time to create a new founding, the 26th founding. after much debate over who should train them, it was decided that Zemus and his 4th company train them. upon this new founding, Captain Zemus of the 4th company of the Raptor chapter was sent to create its own chapter. Zemus was a intelligence man when it came to jungle warfare. but before they could get to full combat readiness, a threat that will forever change the chapter will befall on them. not even the High Lords of Terra could have known about. Background: this will be about their engagements/campaigns against the orks. Under construction for now Belief: Under construction for now Combat Doctrine: the chapter use the same style of warfare as their parent chapter . they abandon all vechlies as they deem it could slow down their progress on the war zone. they rely heavy on their jump packs for more mobility and their scout for information on the enemy. after the lose of nearly 5 whole companies, the chapter pledge an oath to destroy the ork menace that is plaguing the galaxy. the chapter use thunderhawks gunships for mobility and for heavy fire support. they go by one part of the codex Astartes: And of the Assault Marine so do I decree: He shall descend upon the perfidious foe as an Angel of Judgment from on high. Let the jump pack be his wings, and the roar of its engines a hymn of retribution. Let the chainsword be his sceptre of decree, its harsh voice singing joyfully with each and every blow. With it shall the Assault Marine bring bloody retribution to the heretic, the traitor, and all alien aggressors who trespass on the Emperor's domain. So will the Assault Marine be the hunter of warlords and the slayer of kings. His armour shall run slick with the life-blood of the vanquished, and all shall honour his name. and Of the Tactical Space Marine, bedrock of his Chapter and paragon to his brothers, I shall tell thee. He shall be steeped in the lore of battle and schooled in all manner of weapon and strategy. With combat blade, boltgun and grenade he shall assail the foe. But these are mere tools: a Tactical Marine's true weapons are his courage, his wits, and his dedication to his brothers. He will bring his foe to battle in a manner and time of his choosing, never himself caught unready or ill-prepared for the task at hand. In defence he shall be stalwart as the mountain, a bulwark stood firm against the enemies of Man. In attack he shall strike with the wrath of the Immortal Emperor, felling the foe without mercy, remorse, or fear. Organization: 1st company--> Veterans 2nd--6th company--> tacticals or more specific Ambush companies, these companies would be on foot carrying only a bolter gun and chainsword with them into battle 7th --9th company--> Assault Companies equiped with jump packs 10th company--> Scout company or renamed as the Shadows companies Geneseed: the chapter uses the Raptors geneseed of the raven guards, Lord Corax. this is it for now. thank for much of the reply Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221026-help-with-my-diy-chapter/#findComment-2641399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLiege Posted February 1, 2011 Author Share Posted February 1, 2011 I have a question could a chapter's fortress monastery be unknown to outsiders if so do u know any chapter that could be a good reference to this? I'm not sure what to name it so i want to keep it unknown to the imperium since they sent most of their test train in the jungle of their homeworld/death world. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221026-help-with-my-diy-chapter/#findComment-2642089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLiege Posted February 3, 2011 Author Share Posted February 3, 2011 i was wondering as i was looking for ideas on Lexicanum to improve my DIY Chapter. i came upon a 'Sector' known as Charadon, an ork empire in Ultima Segmentum, so i was thinking if by chance i could somehow tried to infiltrated into the sector and cause an up rising of war in the sector between the orks? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221026-help-with-my-diy-chapter/#findComment-2645041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackrat Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I like the turquoise with red soft armor. It's something I would never have thought of so it seems really cool to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221026-help-with-my-diy-chapter/#findComment-2645127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLiege Posted February 4, 2011 Author Share Posted February 4, 2011 thanks Blackrat, i just threw in whatever colors i thought was good besides black since its kinda of overdone. the color schemes are randomly made expect for the first one, i modelled it after the Raptors instead. @Marshal Renatus, Grey Hunter Yadalir, The Shiny One and Octavulg thanks for helping me with this and giving advices to me to help improve this. Once again Thanks You Very Much Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221026-help-with-my-diy-chapter/#findComment-2646136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shiny One Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 I kind of like the first one, resembles the orks somehow, so I came up with this for you: Just for insperation, the idea to to mimic there enemy could be a good transformation from the raptors stealth focus. The name Black Hawks kind of sticks to me, its a little cheese, but in a good way I would say. The idea of a secret fortress, perhaps underground in a cavesystem, is quite cool, as long as they give the there genetithe to the mechanicus and let Inquisitors visit if they need to, its should be ok. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221026-help-with-my-diy-chapter/#findComment-2646520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLiege Posted February 4, 2011 Author Share Posted February 4, 2011 thanks for the feedback Shiny One. I'm thinking that their name came about as their fought their first real combat and that they dash through the surroundings creating a ghostly image on their enemies and that's how they got their name. I'm going to stick with my first choice for the color schemes of this chapter Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221026-help-with-my-diy-chapter/#findComment-2646563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightrawenII Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 upon M41, there has been more and more Ork incursions lately in the galaxy. So in order to deal with this menace, the High Lords of Terra decided it was time to create a new founding, the 26th founding. after much debate over who should train them, it was decided that Zemus and his 4th company train them. Why much debate? and Why were Raptors chosen for anti-ork combat Chapter? Zemus was a intelligence man when it came to jungle warfare. Intelligent and jungle battlefield makes like 10% of the battlefields in the 40 millenium. but before they could get to full combat readiness, a threat that will forever change the chapter will befall on them. not even the High Lords of Terra could have known about. Oh, We-don't-follow-codex-because-we-got-mauled-early-in-history Chapter, I presume. <_< they abandon all vechlies as they deem it could slow down their progress on the war zone. Yeah, because Land Speeder and Bikes are anything but slow. :P He shall be steeped in the lore of battle and schooled in all manner of weapon and strategy. With combat blade, boltgun and grenade he shall assail the foe. But these are mere tools: a Tactical Marine's true weapons are his courage, his wits, and his dedication to his brothers. He will bring his foe to battle in a manner and time of his choosing, never himself caught unready or ill-prepared for the task at hand. In defence he shall be stalwart as the mountain, a bulwark stood firm against the enemies of Man. In attack he shall strike with the wrath of the Immortal Emperor, felling the foe without mercy, remorse, or fear. Yeah, except your Tacticals "2nd--6th company--> tacticals or more specific Ambush companies, these companies would be on foot carrying only a bolter gun and chainsword with them into battle.". I can't see how they are prepared for any foe or any situation. Organization:1st company--> Veterans 2nd--6th company--> tacticals or more specific Ambush companies, these companies would be on foot carrying only a bolter gun and chainsword with them into battle 7th --9th company--> Assault Companies equiped with jump packs 10th company--> Scout company or renamed as the Shadows companies By the Emperor! And they want to fight Orks? Without Devastators or any other means of massed-dakka? :huh: No wonder they lost 5 Companies to the Orks! :tu: Seriously guys, where this idea of CC=best method to deal with Orks came from? I would like to know, because this is the second instance I see such thing. Geneseed:the chapter uses the Raptors geneseed of the raven guards, Lord Corax. I support the Octavulgs sentiment, the gene-seed of RavenGuard and all of their successors is damaged beyond repair. Why would HLoT create flawed Chapter? i was wondering as i was looking for ideas on Lexicanum to improve my DIY Chapter. i came upon a 'Sector' known as Charadon, an ork empire in Ultima Segmentum, so i was thinking if by chance i could somehow tried to infiltrated into the sector and cause an up rising of war in the sector between the orks? 1st, How could you infiltrate Ork society? I'm very curious and impatient to see your reply. 2nd, the Charadon was the starting point of Waagh!! responsible for destruction of Rynn's World. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221026-help-with-my-diy-chapter/#findComment-2647598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLiege Posted February 5, 2011 Author Share Posted February 5, 2011 THANKS FOR THE REPLY, NightRawenII i'm working on improving them now. As for Charadon, i was just wondering about it. would it be wise to use white scar geneseed fo rthe chapter but have the raptors as mentors instead? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221026-help-with-my-diy-chapter/#findComment-2648039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLiege Posted February 5, 2011 Author Share Posted February 5, 2011 so far i have this much up: Black Hawks “We lure in the shadows and from the shadows do we strike” Origin: Upon the dawn of M41, the Imperium has seen a major increase in the attacks by the green menace known as Orks. The High Lords of Terra deemed it is time that a new 'founding' should be started and started it did. The new 'founding' is soon called the 26th founding. Upon this founding, a chapter soon to be known to the whole galaxy as the Black Hawks came into being. The High Lords of Terra choose to using the Raptors geneseed as the base of this new chapter because they knew of their highly succeessful strikes to hit swift on the enemies. The Raptors, after much debate over who should shape this chapter, picked Brother-Captain Zerum of 4th company. Zerum, by now, is a very intelligence man winning several battles of his own and is well known among his chapter for his swiftness and hit and run attacks. After much travel, Zerum and his company soon choose the planet, Azorth in Ultima Segmentum of the Eastern Fringes, as their homeworld. Before the newly founded chapter was in full combat-readiness, they were called into help a neighboring hive world known as Halvus. This would eventually changed the chapter as a whole, that not even the High Lords would have known. In the end of the aftermath, the Black Hawks came to hate the green menace, Orks, and view them as their arch-enemy. tell me what you guys think? comments and advice please thanks Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221026-help-with-my-diy-chapter/#findComment-2648183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightrawenII Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 THANKS FOR THE REPLY, NightRawenII i'm working on improving them now. As for Charadon, i was just wondering about it. would it be wise to use white scar geneseed for the chapter but have the raptors as mentors instead? Why would the Raptors tutor a Chapter of different gene-seed lineage? The White Scars combat doctrine is "born-in-the-saddle". They are savage and bloodthirsty. The new 'founding' is soon called the 26th founding. Upon this founding, a chapter soon to be known to the whole galaxy as the Black Hawks came into being. Ambitious, aren't we? ^_^ The High Lords of Terra choose to using the Raptors geneseed as the base of this new chapter because they knew of their highly succeessful strikes to hit swift on the enemies. As is known vast majority of Adeptus Astartes. All chapters have access to Drop-pods by default. (And Raptors combat doctrines aren't that different from RavenGuard.) The problem with flawed gene-seed is not adressed. After much travel, Zerum and his company soon choose the planet, Azorth in Ultima Segmentum of the Eastern Fringes, as their homeworld. Where do you get a company? Training cadre, at best 20 Marines from original chapter. And Chapters are created before they leave for their Homeworld. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221026-help-with-my-diy-chapter/#findComment-2648584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLiege Posted February 6, 2011 Author Share Posted February 6, 2011 thanks for the advice, NightRawenII!! I'll get to working on it as soon as possible. I'm also working on the backgrounds of the chapter and it would help it someone could give me the flaws of the ravenguard geneseed. Thanks again Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221026-help-with-my-diy-chapter/#findComment-2648719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightrawenII Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Ask and thou shall receive. The gene-seed of the Raven Guard is far from stable and a great deal of their gene-stock has become irreparably damaged, perhaps as a side effect of the accelerate gene-harvesting techniques employed many millennia ago. As a result, much of their genetic material has to come from Terra and therefore the cycle of recruitment for the Raven Guard is much slower than other Chapters. Few candidates for the Chapter prove able to sustain the transformation from a normal human being to a Space Marine and many die early in training, further limiting the Chapter in numbers. Further deterioration has meant that several of the unique organs of the Space Marines no longer function as they should among the Sons of Corax, while others are not as effective as they once were. For example, the zygote cultures required to grow the Mucranoid and Betcher's Gland do not exist within the Raven Guard and the Melanchromic Organ has a unique mutation that, over the years of service, causes the skin of the Space Marine to grow paler. Eventually they will be as white as their Primarch and their hair and eyes will darken, becoming black as coal. ~ Index Astartes: RavenGuard Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221026-help-with-my-diy-chapter/#findComment-2648813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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