Grey Hunter Ydalir Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 I was just minding my own business here when an idea struck me like a brick out of the blue. There are chapters for which a certain specialization has earned them much renown. For example the (Have I got this right here?) Eagle Warriors Hawk Lords, who have a reputation as producing the best Thunderhawk pilots in the Adeptus Astartes and even have other chapters sending their pilots to them for advanced training. Would it be feasible - leaving aside the issues of proper IA construction such as culture and other core concepts - for a chapter to be specialized in the healing of their brothers? For a chapter to be basically the bees-knees in Astartes battlefield medicine? It seems a bit of an odd idea but it's something I'd like to do, given half the chance. Appreciate any responses anyone can give me for what amounts to, simply my curiosity. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221064-apothacary-focused-chapter/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Well, off-hand, the Red Scorpians have a strong Apothecary-connection. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221064-apothacary-focused-chapter/#findComment-2640046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 There are chapters for which a certain specialization has earned them much renown. For example the (Have I got this right here?) Eagle Warriors, who have a reputation as producing the best Thunderhawk pilots in the Adeptus Astartes and even have other chapters sending their pilots to them for advanced training. It's the Hawk Lords :D And yes, it could be feasible. Maybe something like the Knights Hospitallier? Maybe they could be quite close to the Orders Hospitallier of the Adepta Sororitas? Ludovic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221064-apothacary-focused-chapter/#findComment-2640050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Hunter Ydalir Posted January 30, 2011 Author Share Posted January 30, 2011 I just like the idea of a very apothecary focused chapter. A much higher than average survival rate of battlefield injuries would be rather useful in such a small numbered group as an Astartes chapter. Well, off-hand, the Red Scorpians have a strong Apothecary-connection. They do? Ok, well mine will be better and stronger and fastererer then! And yes, it could be feasible. Maybe something like the Knights Hospitallier? Maybe they could be quite close to the Orders Hospitallier of the Adepta Sororitas? That sounds good, though Astartes physiology is fairly different from your regular humans, though a thorough knowledge of the precursor and building blocks upon which Astartes bodies are created is never a bad idea. It's the Hawk Lords :lol: D'oh! Fixed. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221064-apothacary-focused-chapter/#findComment-2640074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Well, off-hand, the Red Scorpians have a strong Apothecary-connection. They do? Ok, well mine will be better and stronger and fastererer then! Yup; in rules for example they can choose to have an Apothecary lead Tac Squads rather than Sergeants. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221064-apothacary-focused-chapter/#findComment-2640078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Hunter Ydalir Posted January 30, 2011 Author Share Posted January 30, 2011 Yup; in rules for example they can choose to have an Apothecary lead Tac Squads rather than Sergeants. Now see, I think that's silly. A medic is a medic and a squad leader is a squad leader. Different roles. Now if they had the ability to swap out perhaps a heavy weapon or special weapon for the apothecary (while not as useful) it would make more sense to me. Is there an explanation as to why they can do this? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221064-apothacary-focused-chapter/#findComment-2640080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 I did something like that. My Eagle Claws have a heavy Apothecary focus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221064-apothacary-focused-chapter/#findComment-2640082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Yup; in rules for example they can choose to have an Apothecary lead Tac Squads rather than Sergeants. Now see, I think that's silly. A medic is a medic and a squad leader is a squad leader. Different roles. Now if they had the ability to swap out perhaps a heavy weapon or special weapon for the apothecary (while not as useful) it would make more sense to me. Is there an explanation as to why they can do this? Er... Because Forgeworld say so? It may be to do with their obsession with genetic purity; they acknowledge that abhumans may serve the Emperors will, but will not pollute themselves by fighting alongside them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221064-apothacary-focused-chapter/#findComment-2640084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shiny One Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 I think they are obsessed with having the purest geneseed ever, but not to sure on this? And rulewise the apothecary is still as capable as the Sergent (same profile) but gives the squad fnp. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221064-apothacary-focused-chapter/#findComment-2640087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Hunter Ydalir Posted January 30, 2011 Author Share Posted January 30, 2011 Go GW and Forgeworld for dodgy logic and fluff work. Anyway, that's not quite the same focus as what I was thinking of with this chapter. Less on the recovery of geneseed and more on the recovery and survival of more marines in general. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221064-apothacary-focused-chapter/#findComment-2640090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Go GW and Forgeworld for dodgy logic and fluff work. Anyway, that's not quite the same focus as what I was thinking of with this chapter. Less on the recovery of geneseed and more on the recovery and survival of more marines in general. Well you never truly specified.. Plus that's the only Chapter I can think of with a current Apothecary focus, except the Blood Angels I suppose? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221064-apothacary-focused-chapter/#findComment-2640094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Renatus Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 I think this is a pretty slick concept. And totally workable. Look some other Chapters: - Blood Ravens: High numbers of psykers, search for lore and historical records everywhere they go - Praetors of Orpheus: Technological lore second only to the AdMech - Salamanders: Have one of their greatest warriors do nothing but search for lost Chapter memorabilia Your chapter could have very tight ties with the AdMech Biologis community, and maybe this angers other AdMech factions? Or they could be on a crusade to vanquish their 13th or 21st Founding flaw? Or maybe they have found some dark tech that hints at the ability to repair the wounds of Guilliman himself? Thousand ways to slice this apple, all of them good in my opinion. For game play, I like the idea of being able to switch out a heavy weapon for an apothecary. I'd certainly allow that as it seems like an equal trade off. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221064-apothacary-focused-chapter/#findComment-2640122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrata Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 I think it is a great idea. Many people go down the genetic purity Apothecary line, as I did with my Black Guard. However, the use of them more as a medic then a purity focus would be really interesting. I think it is possible and should work well. You could look at it from they are more veterans because more live longer, probably less bionics because they manage to save limbs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221064-apothacary-focused-chapter/#findComment-2640147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Hunter Ydalir Posted January 30, 2011 Author Share Posted January 30, 2011 Cheers for that Renatus, that's just what I was looking for. It seemed to stick in my mind, 'warrior-healers', just that pure base concept seemed to lend itself to being rather cool. I like everything you suggested and I think I'll take these guys on as a side-side-side-side chapter. :sweat: Not sure where to start with them though in terms of an IA. Or maybe I won't do an entire IA, just a single small article, like a newspaper stub on them. Who knows, we'll see, the Iron Gauntlet is the main concern at the moment but this just sticks with me as something I'd like to do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221064-apothacary-focused-chapter/#findComment-2640149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Renatus Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 I live to serve. Looking forward to seeing more on these guys if you ever get to them. (Believe me, I know how that goes.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221064-apothacary-focused-chapter/#findComment-2640167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
XKhalilX Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 i feel a very vulkan like quality to them in terms of their compassion (not saying they can be vulkan geneseed, just their perspective on things). You could possibly do mentor legion style and send them out to major wars where astartes and IG are heavily outnumbered. There like guardian angels in that sense. But i see them less rigid and harsh ala Red Scorpions and very compassioniate ala Salamanders. thats my take on it. There the 40k version of M.A.S.H.!!!! *hears the theme song in his head* btw I like this idea alot :sweat: can't wait to see where it goes Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221064-apothacary-focused-chapter/#findComment-2640174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 You could possibly do mentor legion style and send them out to major wars where astartes and IG are heavily outnumbered. Retconned. :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221064-apothacary-focused-chapter/#findComment-2640190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Hunter Ydalir Posted January 30, 2011 Author Share Posted January 30, 2011 There the 40k version of M.A.S.H.!!!! *hears the theme song in his head* This amuses me. :( Retconned. Well, then these guys can do it in an anti-retcon movement! ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221064-apothacary-focused-chapter/#findComment-2640204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 I once wrote an Imperial Guard story set in a M.A.S.H... Having seen all 11 series helps :blink: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221064-apothacary-focused-chapter/#findComment-2640374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKO Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 If I remember correctly one of the divergence in the old space marine codex, allowed you to take apothecarys instead of sergeants, so it is possible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221064-apothacary-focused-chapter/#findComment-2640388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinzaren Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Aww sad day. My idea, it was stolen. Curse you GHY! CURSE YOU!! Kidding aside, I too thought it was a great idea and was/am currently in the process of making an IA based around this. I was also going to take the less pure, more survival of wounds approach. I can PM you my thoughts and ideas on this if you want. It's not an IA, more like a rough outline, but you might find it useful. Basically they are Marines who found that instead of focusing on purity and recovering gene-seed, it was more practical to focus their attention on keeping themselves alive, and thus not avoiding the reductor. Advanced training for all members in battlefield medicine, with squads having an assigned medic, etc etc. P.S. Possible Chapter Master name? Dr. Doogie House-Trapper, M.D. :mellow: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221064-apothacary-focused-chapter/#findComment-2640420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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