Nerdfest10 Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Hi all, I'm re-reading A Thousand Sons before I pick up Prospero Burns and as with most things on their second veiwing, I have picked up on something (or rather somewhere) that I thought I would share. I have seen these posts before explaining Merica, Yndonesic Bloc etc but not this particular place. In chapter two, Ahriman referes to the speartip formation as a 'zagaya', saying that he was taught the term by the Emperor on Terra on the island fortress of Diemenslandt. I'm from Australia, in particular the island state of Tasmania. Dutch explorer Abel Tasman (where we get the name Tasmania from) sighted the coast of Tasmania in 1642 and named the island Anthoonij Van Diemenslandt, or Van Diemensland, after his patron the governor of the Dutch East India Company. I was very suprised to see that our little island has made it's way to the footnotes of future history:) Any other Taswegians out there? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221149-thousand-sons-and-places-on-old-earth/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerdfest09 Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Why Yes, I am also from that self same little island off the southern coast of Australia more commonly known as tasmania! altough hardly an island fortress, more like a palatial gene pool for rough necks and spirit drinking hooligans, this discovery in the hallowed pages of the history of our future warms the cockle of my heart, and when we next do battle more history will be made!.... see you Thursday dude! ;-) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221149-thousand-sons-and-places-on-old-earth/#findComment-2641155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Interesting thread. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221149-thousand-sons-and-places-on-old-earth/#findComment-2641313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GooseDaMoose Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Interesting thread. Like. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221149-thousand-sons-and-places-on-old-earth/#findComment-2641370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrike2214 Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 I am always looking out for things that may describe countrys that we know of in 40K Now Franc speaks for its self as does Mercia and Sud-Merica but what do people make of Yndonesic Bloc Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221149-thousand-sons-and-places-on-old-earth/#findComment-2641452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GooseDaMoose Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Mercia? Que'est-que c'est? Isn't Yndonesic Bloc just like Indonesia and the surrounding islands n shizz? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221149-thousand-sons-and-places-on-old-earth/#findComment-2641579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerdfest10 Posted January 31, 2011 Author Share Posted January 31, 2011 That was my interpretation of Yndonesic Bloc, Indonesia and surrounding islands. I don't want to come across sounding like some patronising know it all, but not many people outside of Tasmania or Australia are aware of our pre-English european heritage. Full credit to Graham McNeill for using this little piece of history. Of course I could be well off the mark here and he is refering to something else entirely:) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221149-thousand-sons-and-places-on-old-earth/#findComment-2641770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Isn't Mercia supposed to be the US or that place in the UK that sounds similar? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221149-thousand-sons-and-places-on-old-earth/#findComment-2641835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GooseDaMoose Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 It might be a typo and he meant to say Merica, in which case it would be the US. If he did mean to say Mercia, then yeah, that's what I was thinking too.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221149-thousand-sons-and-places-on-old-earth/#findComment-2641846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khestra the Unbeheld Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 In fairness, "Merica" probably covers the entirely of the North American continent, as opposed to "Sud-Merica", not strictly the Continental US part of it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221149-thousand-sons-and-places-on-old-earth/#findComment-2642065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Tezdal Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Isn't Mercia supposed to be the US or that place in the UK that sounds similar? Wasn't Mercia a Saxon Kingdom in England? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221149-thousand-sons-and-places-on-old-earth/#findComment-2642122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khestra the Unbeheld Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Isn't Mercia supposed to be the US or that place in the UK that sounds similar? Wasn't Mercia a Saxon Kingdom in England? Yes, but the spelling "m-e-r-i-c-a" repeatedly precludes it from being that, not to mention that name hasn't been used in several hundred years except by military organizations and certain private industries. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221149-thousand-sons-and-places-on-old-earth/#findComment-2642156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Isn't Mercia supposed to be the US or that place in the UK that sounds similar? Wasn't Mercia a Saxon Kingdom in England? Yes, but the spelling "m-e-r-i-c-a" repeatedly precludes it from being that, not to mention that name hasn't been used in several hundred years except by military organizations and certain private industries. Any Monty Python. "Coconuts? In Mercia?" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221149-thousand-sons-and-places-on-old-earth/#findComment-2642270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrike2214 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 It might be a typo and he meant to say Merica, in which case it would be the US. If he did mean to say Mercia, then yeah, that's what I was thinking too.. Yes it was a typo i was tired and on allot of coffee Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221149-thousand-sons-and-places-on-old-earth/#findComment-2643210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrun0riginal Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I always thought Ur was Europe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221149-thousand-sons-and-places-on-old-earth/#findComment-2643282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Ur can mean several things. I thought it was a reference to the mesopotamian city. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221149-thousand-sons-and-places-on-old-earth/#findComment-2643389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hergrmir Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 There's a Uropa, which is presumably the form of Europe that's passed down. Ur was a Sumerian city, but 'Ur' is often attached as a suffix to a word to suggest that it's the proto-form, or the first of it's kind, and so on. Ur is sometimes conceived of as the first city, which explains why the suffix means what it does. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221149-thousand-sons-and-places-on-old-earth/#findComment-2643432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calgar 2.0 Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 There's a Uropa, which is presumably the form of Europe that's passed down. Ur was a Sumerian city, but 'Ur' is often attached as a suffix to a word to suggest that it's the proto-form, or the first of it's kind, and so on. Ur is sometimes conceived of as the first city, which explains why the suffix means what it does. Isn't it Europa? Ur is most likely a reference to the ancient Iraqi city, because the Middle East is referred to as Mesopotamia, meaning they probably use ancient names in a lot of areas on Terra. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221149-thousand-sons-and-places-on-old-earth/#findComment-2643476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Scipio Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 I thin Gyptus and the Panpacific are not so hard either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221149-thousand-sons-and-places-on-old-earth/#findComment-2644769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hergrmir Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 I thin Gyptus and the Panpacific are not so hard either. My only beef with it is that sometimes you get Aegypt, other time Gyptus, yet other Faeronik Aegyptus, and so on. Which isn't really all that unbelievable, if you think about English speakers and Holland/the Netherlands. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221149-thousand-sons-and-places-on-old-earth/#findComment-2647505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 I Guess the whole Holland/Netherlands is somewhat like other people who don't make the distinction between England, Great Britain and the United Kingdom. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221149-thousand-sons-and-places-on-old-earth/#findComment-2647559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khestra the Unbeheld Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 I Guess the whole Holland/Netherlands is somewhat like other people who don't make the distinction between England, Great Britain and the United Kingdom. I never have understood the confusion about that. One's a nation, one's an island, and one's a commonwealth of nations. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221149-thousand-sons-and-places-on-old-earth/#findComment-2647595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrion Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Then you get the British Isles, which includes Ireland and the other 1000 Islands; the British Islands which includes the Channel Islands and Isles of Man and Wight, but not the Republic of Ireland; Ireland which is the island that includes the Republic and Northern and is part of the British Isles but not British Islands, Great Britain or the United Kingdom; the Channel Islands which are monarchly British but not politically; the Isle of Man which is a crown dependency but not part of the United Kingdom....its easy to make mistakes when referring to Great Britain or the UK or the British Isles.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221149-thousand-sons-and-places-on-old-earth/#findComment-2647613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashur Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 The thing that really makes me laugh is the alusion to the "mad scholar Alhazred". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221149-thousand-sons-and-places-on-old-earth/#findComment-2649685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitchen Knife Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 The thing that really makes me laugh is the alusion to the "mad scholar Alhazred". Where exactly (or in which book) does the "mad scholar Alhazred" appear? Either I'm missing the book, or i somewhat skipped it.... BTW: Lovecraft goes 40K.. that will be... "interesting" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221149-thousand-sons-and-places-on-old-earth/#findComment-2649783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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