ShinyRhino Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 As the subject says, how many Weapon Destroyed results does it take to disarm a Hydra Flak Tank? We've got an IG player here who says it takes two to remove the main gun, because it's "a pair of autocannons". Of course, he's also trying to claim that since he buys his LRBT sponsons as a pair, they fire as a pair when moving 6"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellios Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 As the subject says, how many Weapon Destroyed results does it take to disarm a Hydra Flak Tank? We've got an IG player here who says it takes two to remove the main gun, because it's "a pair of autocannons". Of course, he's also trying to claim that since he buys his LRBT sponsons as a pair, they fire as a pair when moving 6"... It is armed with two (twin-linked?) hydra-autocannons... so it counts as two weapons... So if he meant it had two he is right... if he meant each one counts as 2 (and so would take 4 weapon destroyed results) he is wrong. So two weapon destroyed results will destroy all the auto-cannons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinyRhino Posted January 31, 2011 Author Share Posted January 31, 2011 Gotcha. How about for moving, and firing? If the Hydra moves, it only gets two shots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Indeed, firing one autocannon only as per the normal rules. I hope he's not trying to have his Hydra cake and eat it! It would take 3 weapon destroyed to stop a Hydra from firing completely; 2 twin-linked autocannons and 1 hull mounted weapon. His ideas on the Leman Russ shouldn't even be dignified with an answer :sweat: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglez Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 aye, sponson weapons, while they may be bought as a pair, are still treated as 2 individual weapons for shooting them. I thought that Leman Russ were lumbering, letting them move 6 and fire everything anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBMAKENZIE Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 aye, sponson weapons, while they may be bought as a pair, are still treated as 2 individual weapons for shooting them. I thought that Leman Russ were lumbering, letting them move 6 and fire everything anyway... No its move 6" and firethe turret weapon. Which is very different. I always get mixed up. Is it the Leman Russ or the Hydra with two seperate weapons? One is a Heavy 4 Twinlinked Autocannon and the other is 2 twinlinked autocannons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ming Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Very interesting....I'm going home to read my codex...In my last game it did not come up...I just took his vehicles from operational to wrecked as fast as possible... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhorneHunter57x Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 No its move 6" and firethe turret weapon. Which is very different. I always get mixed up. Is it the Leman Russ or the Hydra with two seperate weapons? One is a Heavy 4 Twinlinked Autocannon and the other is 2 twinlinked autocannons. It can move 6" and fire the turret gun in addition to any normally fired weapon (so, kinda like PotMS, just weaker). The Russ Exterminator has the TL Heavy 4 one, the Hydra has 2 TL extended range Autocannons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 The Exterminator turret is Heavy 4, twin-linked. The Hydra is a pair of Long Barreled, Twin-linked Autocannons (each Heavy 2). So, it would take three Weapon Destroyed results to nerf a naked Hydra. It would take two to six for a Leman Russ, depending on outfitting. Of course, he's also trying to claim that since he buys his LRBT sponsons as a pair, they fire as a pair when moving 6"...Smack him. Each weapon is each weapon, unless he'd like all the marine players' predators (and las/plas razorbacks) to have the same advantage... [edit] Ninja'd! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinyRhino Posted January 31, 2011 Author Share Posted January 31, 2011 I gave him several ludicrous options to choose from for his "sponsons are a pair!" argument: Land Raiders moving 6" and firing both twin-linked lascannon sponsons, PLUS the Machine Spitired twin heavy bolters at him, at separate targets. Land Raiders moving 12" and firing both twin-linked lascannons at him. A Blood Angels Predator moving 12" and firing both flamestorm cannon sponsons at him, or 6" and firing everything due to being Fast. And then the naughiness of a Stormraven moving and firing everything it has. He still wants a rulebook quote defining sponsons as separate weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 He still wants a rulebook quote defining sponsons as separate weapons. Actually, it's on him to show you the rule that allows him to fire two weapons as one or that defines two weapons as a single weapon. Just out of curiosity - does he use them as two seperate weapons or as a single twin-linked weapon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Does the group you play in count the sponsons as the same weapon for the purposes of weapon destroyed results? This is no different. Nor is it any different than purchasing the LC+TLPG for a stronos- wich has been FAQd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinyRhino Posted February 1, 2011 Author Share Posted February 1, 2011 I just pointed out that the IG codex states you purchase "a pair of sponsons...". A pair is inherenty a collection of two individual items. I think he's just looking for Easter eggs. He likes to do that, like when he tried to convince us all he could order IG squads to FRSRF while in close combat. <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 I think "making Easter eggs" might be more appropriate for this guy... :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty the Pyro Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 I just pointed out that the IG codex states you purchase "a pair of sponsons...". A pair is inherenty a collection of two individual items.I think he's just looking for Easter eggs. He likes to do that, like when he tried to convince us all he could order IG squads to FRSRF while in close combat. :P I dont see why you couldnt, it wouldnt do anything though, as FRFSRF lets you fir an extra shot with your lasguns (and only your lasguns), as you cant make shooting attacks while in CC, theres not a lot that extra shot could be used for, let him waste is order and risk messed uped comunication on pointless rolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinyRhino Posted February 3, 2011 Author Share Posted February 3, 2011 His flawed thinking at the time (which we promptly corrected) was that FRFSRF says "immediately fires". He attempted to use the Codex>Rulebook argument to allow himself to shoot out of the close combat, but we explained that Codex>Rulebook was only for specific rules, and did not allow you to break the basic tenets of the game, unless explicitly stated as such. He's getting the rules hammered down pretty well, as he's a newer player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Of Malfeasance X Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 The only difference between an LR(whatever) and a normal vehicle is this: if he moves 6", he can fire turret +1. If he opts to drive more than 6", he must roll an extra d6 for the distance. Sponsons are individual weapons as normal, though they are purchased as a pair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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