soddinnutter Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Just an Idea I had. Any Advice? Terran Legion It says in the Codex:Space Marines that there were prototype legions that were running around ancient Terra kicking ass in the name of their Warlord who was to become Emperor. They were only made obsolete after the whole of the Sol System was under the newly chosen symbol of the Aquilla. It is assumed that they were either told to garrison Sol, assimilate into the newly founded Legions Astartes, or given all of the inglorious assignments that the real Marines were too busy to care about or want, and so were ignored by history for being too boring. But what happened to the ones that survived the Heresy? They survived the Heresy by being in the far off campaigns that no one else wanted to do. They were so far away from anything and so far down everyone’s list of priorities they didn’t even get to really join in until the war was winding down. They were on Terra when Horus arrived, they dropped everything and pulled out of every engagement instantly the moment the old news reached them. They were told to fortify the Navigators Enclave, because no one else liked the Navigators very much. As such they only got a footnote in the recorded histories of that time. Gulliman set about his epic reforms, as he had written about in Gullimans Big Book of Galactic Conquest, latter renamed Codex Astartes. The Terran Legions get a hold of a copy through their contacts in the Ultramarines Legion, with whom they had been allies. After looking through it they realise that there is no place for them in the New World Order. Whilst Gulliman is busy trying to browbeat the Dorn, Russ, The Lion, Khan, Corax the Blood Angels, Salamanders and Iron Hands into doing his bidding the Terarn Legion went to Mars. Mars, at the time, was suffering. Undercover cabals of the Dark Mechanicum were still hanging on in the lower vaults and the war was still just as vicious and nasty as it was before. The Terran Legion used this confusion to claim the broken wrecks in near-Mars space and jury-rig the ships into some semblance of functionality. They obtained the parts by cannibalising other wrecks and they acquired the expertise by offering a way off of war-ruined Mars to tech-adepts with useful skills. Regrettably they could not recruit any adepts with any knowledge of Power Armour as they were all quite rich, the Great Crusade always had need of new Power Armour, and had moved to the relative safety of Phobos and Deimos. Differences to ‘Normal’ Marines Second Heart – Present. Practically unchanged in later generation Marines. Ossmodula – Not present. Bones must be replaced surgically with a lightweight ceramite variant reinforced with Carbon-fibre. Biscopea – Present, but in a lesser form. Terran Legion marines are not as strong as regular Marines, but are much stronger than regular humanity. Haemastamen – Not present. Ability of blood to more efficiently carry oxygen only slightly better than human norm. Larraman’s Organ – Present in a lesser form. Ability to quickly heal physical wounds still notably quicker than a regular human but not as quick as a regular Marine. Catalepsean node – An earlier variety is present. Does not allow the brain to switch or sequentially. Instead it prolongs the ability that sleep can be done without for about a week without too many psychological problems developing. The Oolitic Kidney removes the fatigue toxins. Preomnor – Present in an earlier incarnation. Not as good Omophagea – Absent. Multi-lung – Absent. Primary lungs removed and replaced by a single large lung that can be compartmentalised if damage occurs. Notably more efficient than the average human breathing equipment and resistant to a variety of poisons. But like much of the older model marine variant it is obsolete. Occulobe – Absent. Adjustments must be made directly to the eyeball. End result is almost but not quite as good as an Astartes eyeball. Lyman's Ear – Present in a more primitive form. Ability to filter out certain sounds at will is not present. Sus-an Membrane – Absent. Melanochrome – Absent Oolitic Kidney – Present in a more primitive form. Neuroglottis - Present in a less effective form. Mucranoid – Absent Betcher’s Gland – Absent Progenoids – Absent. Each organ must be grown individually. A slower but more stable process then the method of reproduction used in latter generations of Marine. Black Carapace – Absent. Power Armour must be of the variety worn by regular humanity, albeit in a larger size. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221216-terran-legion/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezekial Gravestone Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 intriguing, grabbed my attention pretty quick, i wouldn't mind seeing where you take this so please keep the updates coming Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221216-terran-legion/#findComment-2641765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 I always had the impression - in my own mind - that they were the Custodian Guard until the Custodes came along. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221216-terran-legion/#findComment-2641766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 I can't remember what they are called but the Imperial Guard'esk guys from Legion were supposed to be this, they had undergone genetic modification but weren't "proto-marines". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221216-terran-legion/#findComment-2641834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
soddinnutter Posted January 31, 2011 Author Share Posted January 31, 2011 The The Geno Five-Two Chiliad regiment of the glorious and mighty Imperial Army? I just found it in the Lexicanum after researching the meager scraps on there about the Unification Wars http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Geno_Five-Two_Chiliad Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221216-terran-legion/#findComment-2641849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Yeah the Genos was to whom I was refering. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221216-terran-legion/#findComment-2641854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Major problem I'd see with it - why would they live that long? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221216-terran-legion/#findComment-2641874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
soddinnutter Posted January 31, 2011 Author Share Posted January 31, 2011 The individuals or the order? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221216-terran-legion/#findComment-2641878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Well, both, really. I can't imagine they'd keep making knockoff Space Marines, so the group should logically dwindle away from old age. Also, I'm pretty sure they turned into the modern Legions - remember, the Imperial Fists actually fought on Terra. I'd imagine they helped train their successors and slowly phased out over time, perhaps becoming serfs as they aged. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221216-terran-legion/#findComment-2641920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
soddinnutter Posted January 31, 2011 Author Share Posted January 31, 2011 Well that's a blow. Another semi-entertaining idea shot down with merciless efficiency. I'll think of a justification latter if there is one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221216-terran-legion/#findComment-2641926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roesor Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 So basically a group of Thunder Warriors flying around space doing the jobs deemed 'too big' for the regulars and 'too small' for marines. I like it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221216-terran-legion/#findComment-2642032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Hunter Ydalir Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Well if the group as a whole has the ability to produce more proto-marines themselves - which I'd have thought would be much easier than the more risky and convoluted process used by todays Astartes - and have a viable stock of recruits, I think they could happily continue to this day. It'd have to be their pride in themselves and their history that kept them going, rather than just giving up and fading away. Their pride in their original status as Terra's conquerors, as the Emperors first Legions is a very strong psychological tool to use here, why not make the most of it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221216-terran-legion/#findComment-2642052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 But in that case, why haven't we heard of them? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221216-terran-legion/#findComment-2642082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_POINTED_STICK Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Perhaps they serve in an organization that doesn't exist... I've heard it starts with an =I=. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221216-terran-legion/#findComment-2642128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The Inquisition? The organization that isn't allowed military forces? Ha. And indeed, ha. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221216-terran-legion/#findComment-2642146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The Inquisition? The organization that isn't allowed military forces? Ha. And indeed, ha. It's the Ecclesiarchy that isn't allow "Men at Arms". The Inquisition have allot of military forces, including Inquisitorial Storm Troopers and the Ordo Militant. Then there is the whole commandeering Imperial Guard regiments, ships etc etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221216-terran-legion/#findComment-2642150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Commandeering stuff doesn't count - Space Marines have been known to do similar things (though not as officially), IIRC. Inquisitorial Storm Troopers don't seem to have much in the way of larger organization or support equipment (such as Russes). And the Ordos Militant consist of the Grey Knights (who are an independent Space Marine Chapter) and the Deathwatch (who are made up of independent Space Marine Chapters and serve limited terms). They don't have a dedicated large-scale military force. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221216-terran-legion/#findComment-2642166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The ISTs were major players in the Badab War... (since IA9 and 10...). The members of the Inquisition could build their own armies if they want. There is basically nothing that they aren't allowed to do, unless the majority of their peers say they can't. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221216-terran-legion/#findComment-2642176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringlancer Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 But in that case, why haven't we heard of them? Bad PR people? They are shy? The liberal media machine doesn't want you to know about them? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221216-terran-legion/#findComment-2642182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The members of the Inquisition could build their own armies if they want. There is basically nothing that they aren't allowed to do, unless the majority of their peers say they can't. Theoretical power and practical power aren't the same thing. The Inquisition doesn't hold onto military power long term, or people start asking questions/framing the Inquisitor in question. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221216-terran-legion/#findComment-2642185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Inquisitorial Storm Troopers don't seem to have much in the way of larger organization or support equipment (such as Russes). And you know this by reading what? And the Ordos Militant consist of the Grey Knights (who are an independent Space Marine Chapter) and the Deathwatch (who are made up of independent Space Marine Chapters and serve limited terms). Not to forget the Adepta Sororitas who are also quite important (due to their number and numerous areas of expertise). They don't have a dedicated large-scale military force. It's not said in the fluff but why not? They have so many agent and sleeper-cells which hardly any one knows about so they could have some large-ish scale military force. Also, one thing I have forgotten to mention are the Inquisitorial Wards, who act like warriors, though their number can only be guessed at. Ludovic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221216-terran-legion/#findComment-2642334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 And you know this by reading what? And you know otherwise by reading what? You find me some mentions of Storm Troopers working as anything other than, well, Storm Troopers and we'll talk. Not to forget the Adepta Sororitas who are also quite important (due to their number and numerous areas of expertise). The Adepta Sororitas are not part of the Inquisition. They're part of the Ecclesiarchy. That's the thing. The major forces of the Inquisition always come from some other organization. It's not said in the fluff but why not? They have so many agent and sleeper-cells which hardly any one knows about so they could have some large-ish scale military force. Also, one thing I have forgotten to mention are the Inquisitorial Wards, who act like warriors, though their number can only be guessed at. And how do they supply this force? Recruit for it? Train it? Keep Inquisitors who don't agree it should exist from ratting it out to other authorities? Why bother with all the Chamber Militant rigmarole if they have it? Armies are big and noticable and people ask questions about them. There is a difference between "a bunch of individual soldiers and squads" and an army. The Inquisition has a lot of the former. They have to borrow the latter. And I can't imagine that's not intentional. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221216-terran-legion/#findComment-2642350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 And you know this by reading what? And you know otherwise by reading what? You find me some mentions of Storm Troopers working as anything other than, well, Storm Troopers and we'll talk. Heroes of the Space Marines, Black Library book, "And They Shall Know No Fear" by Darren Cox (?) -> Storm Troopers deployed alongside Vindicators, most porbably their own as the only other force involved in the battle at first are a single squad of Celestians (Sisters of Battle). The Adepta Sororitas are not part of the Inquisition. They're part of the Ecclesiarchy. That's the thing. The major forces of the Inquisition always come from some other organization. Yet they are described as being a Chamber Militant of the Inquisition in many books, such as those in the Dark Heresy RPG. And how do they supply this force? Recruit for it? Train it? Keep Inquisitors who don't agree it should exist from ratting it out to other authorities? Why bother with all the Chamber Militant rigmarole if they have it? Armies are big and noticable and people ask questions about them. There is a difference between "a bunch of individual soldiers and squads" and an army. The Inquisition has a lot of the former. They have to borrow the latter. And I can't imagine that's not intentional. Fair point. I have nothing really to add. Ludovic Edit: Typos :rolleyes: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221216-terran-legion/#findComment-2642391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Hunter Ydalir Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Also, one thing I have forgotten to mention are the Inquisitorial Wards, who act like warriors, though their number can only be guessed at. This seems like a fair resting place for the proto-marines. However, it's nothing on the 'army' scale you're looking at. If this was purely a fluff piece you could go on to describe how they act as individual and squad-level muscle for the Inquisition now, giving them a status that in many ways harks back to their own time as the direct servants of the Emperor himself. However, to make them a viable fighting force, they could always have split up and work dispirately for Rogue Traders, the Mechanicus and even have become mercenary for some groups. If this is an article on just the proto-marines they could easily fade into the background like this. How to make them a viable 'marine like' army? Well.... not much is coming to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221216-terran-legion/#findComment-2642573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 And you know this by reading what? And you know otherwise by reading what? You find me some mentions of Storm Troopers working as anything other than, well, Storm Troopers and we'll talk. As I said before IA:10. They act independently in many engagements. "Ordinary" Storm Troopers act as part of other larger formations. I'm also pretty sure I read "Inquisitorial Storm Trooper regiments" somewhere too. They have to borrow the latter. And I can't imagine that's not intentional. It's a matter of convenience, armies are difficult to lug around. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221216-terran-legion/#findComment-2642652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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