Hengist Ironfang Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Ok so what do we know about Horus? He was the only Primarch who's pod didnt land on the world his legions cradle world He knew the Emperor for a much longer time than the others He speaks of the Emperor as more of a father figure than the others suggestin he actually was something of a child when the big E found him. Loken Speaks of him learning Cthonian as if it wasnt his native language Now in First Heretic when Argel Tal is seeing the vision of the primarchs gestation pods crashing he invisions one crashing somewhere that matches the description of the moon, and the child that comes out is described as tall handsome and having grey eyes which to my best recollections describes Horus well and doesnt really fit in one way or another with what we know of the other primarchs and their adoptive homeworlds, I think that Horus was found on the Moon but Luna wasnt a suitable world for an astartes homeplanet due to size and population etc. This also explains how he was found much earlier than the other primarchs and also ties in with the name of his legion, perhaps named in honour of the planetoid his pod landed on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221221-was-horus-pod-found-on-the-moon/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Nope, he was found on Cthonia. Where you're getting confused is that Cthonia would look kinda like the moon, as it was almost mined hollow, so was practically dead on the surface. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221221-was-horus-pod-found-on-the-moon/#findComment-2641917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hengist Ironfang Posted January 31, 2011 Author Share Posted January 31, 2011 Nope, he was found on Cthonia. Where you're getting confused is that Cthonia would look kinda like the moon, as it was almost mined hollow, so was practically dead on the surface. Pretty sure it states in Horus Rising that he was the only Primarch not to be found on his legions new homeworld bear with me and i'll find the quote Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221221-was-horus-pod-found-on-the-moon/#findComment-2641931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hengist Ironfang Posted January 31, 2011 Author Share Posted January 31, 2011 Here we go pg 217 of Horus Rising "Though Horus had not been raised on Cthonia - uncommonlyfor a Primarch,he had not matured on the cradle world of his legion - He spoke it fluently. In fact, he spoke it with a particular palatial edge and rough vowels of a Western Hemisphere ganger, the commonest and roughest of Cthonia's feral castes." Now while this doesnt emphatically state that his pod didnt land there it certainly adds weight to the suggestion that it didnt. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221221-was-horus-pod-found-on-the-moon/#findComment-2641943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codicier Lucion Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 To be fair, a lot of the stuff revolving around Horus' origins and certain aspects of his life are in question due to continuity hiccups. However, that whole scene with Argel Tal probably shouldn't be taken as being entirely true or what actually happened to the young Primarchs. It's only true from his perspective, and he was in the middle of the Eye of Terror working with a daemon at the time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221221-was-horus-pod-found-on-the-moon/#findComment-2641945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hengist Ironfang Posted January 31, 2011 Author Share Posted January 31, 2011 True but what is a mystery to us may well be common knowledge to an astartes, why would a demon lie about the primarchs home planets and run the risk of being caught out if the astartes witnessing knew more than the demon thought. I just like to theorise about stuff we dont know about yet/ever, makes it more fun ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221221-was-horus-pod-found-on-the-moon/#findComment-2641964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codicier Lucion Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 True but what is a mystery to us may well be common knowledge to an astartes, why would a demon lie about the primarchs home planets and run the risk of being caught out if the astartes witnessing knew more than the demon thought. Well, knowing Tzeentch we'd need a flow chart the size of the Atlantic Ocean to explain his overall plan and how that fitted into it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221221-was-horus-pod-found-on-the-moon/#findComment-2641969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Here we go pg 217 of Horus Rising "Though Horus had not been raised on Cthonia - uncommonlyfor a Primarch,he had not matured on the cradle world of his legion - He spoke it fluently. In fact, he spoke it with a particular palatial edge and rough vowels of a Western Hemisphere ganger, the commonest and roughest of Cthonia's feral castes." Now while this doesnt emphatically state that his pod didnt land there it certainly adds weight to the suggestion that it didnt. Horus was not raised on Cthonia, he was found there. Found so early by the Emperor that he did not have a chance to learn the local dialect. If he was found in the first year of his life, the above statement and what has come before makes since. Horus was raised by the Emperor because he was found so early. Found so early because Cthonia was so close to Terra. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221221-was-horus-pod-found-on-the-moon/#findComment-2641976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rider-75 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 the above is my take on things too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221221-was-horus-pod-found-on-the-moon/#findComment-2641995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Mine too Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221221-was-horus-pod-found-on-the-moon/#findComment-2642138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Horus was not raised on Cthonia, he was found there. Found so early by the Emperor that he did not have a chance to learn the local dialect. If he was found in the first year of his life, the above statement and what has come before makes since. Horus was raised by the Emperor because he was found so early. Found so early because Cthonia was so close to Terra. I'm scared that I'm agreeing with Walkier (isn't that a sign of the Apocalypse or something?), but he has it right. The Index Astartes makes it clear that Horus landed on Cthonia, but that since Cthonia was the first out-system planet colonised (and subsequently the closest), it was also the first out-system planet visited by the Great Crusade. Therefore, Horus landed on Cthonia, but was found by the Emperor before he could grow up there. After all, if he was discovered on Luna, why make his Legion homeworld Cthonia? Did the Emperor throw a psychic dart at a 3D map of the galaxy, and whatever system it landed in was picked for his lunar son? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221221-was-horus-pod-found-on-the-moon/#findComment-2642183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashe Darke Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The First Heretic says that the planet is like Luna rather than describe something that sounds like Luna. The fact that the description says 'it was like this other place' indicates that it isn't the place it is similar to. It wouldn't be much of a home planet anyway, more of a home satellite. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221221-was-horus-pod-found-on-the-moon/#findComment-2642199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 "And then Horus landed on the Moon, which looked like the moon. Funny that, isn't it?" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221221-was-horus-pod-found-on-the-moon/#findComment-2642205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Horus was not raised on Cthonia, he was found there. Found so early by the Emperor that he did not have a chance to learn the local dialect. If he was found in the first year of his life, the above statement and what has come before makes since. Horus was raised by the Emperor because he was found so early. Found so early because Cthonia was so close to Terra. I'm scared that I'm agreeing with Walkier (isn't that a sign of the Apocalypse or something?), but he has it right. I should sig that or something.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221221-was-horus-pod-found-on-the-moon/#findComment-2642440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Mine too Thirded. "And then Horus landed on the Moon, which looked like the moon. Funny that, isn't it?" You're hired. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221221-was-horus-pod-found-on-the-moon/#findComment-2642711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sons of Horus Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 agreed. He was found so early that he wasn't raised on his Legion's homeworld. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221221-was-horus-pod-found-on-the-moon/#findComment-2642767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hengist Ironfang Posted February 1, 2011 Author Share Posted February 1, 2011 ah ok that does make sense, Also that would go someway to explain the discrepancies with Iacton Qruze; He is Cthonian yet he often refers to a time before Horus had command of the legion, perhaps Horus' wasnt given control of the legion straight away due to being a child and all, but the legion still began recruiting from Cthonia straight away. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221221-was-horus-pod-found-on-the-moon/#findComment-2643398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 ah ok that does make sense, Also that would go someway to explain the discrepancies with Iacton Qruze; He is Cthonian yet he often refers to a time before Horus had command of the legion, perhaps Horus' wasnt given control of the legion straight away due to being a child and all, but the legion still began recruiting from Cthonia straight away. ..... I would not go that far. As much as i would like to tell you i know why the Half-Heard is both a Unification vet and a native of Cthoninia i can not. I am with those who think that Qruze's background was not fully understood by those who wrote him in to the story. That probably means i am wrong but.... From what i understand about Qruze, he is a Terran, or maybe even a Lunar). He was part of the Luna Wolves from the start. He was in command of the Luna Wolves when they were still fighting on Terra. That should be before Horus was found. Before Horus was even in a Tube. Before the Emperor went to Cthonia find Horus. That should be the subject of a whole new thread though...... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221221-was-horus-pod-found-on-the-moon/#findComment-2643873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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