Karsus Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Hi all. I just read the new FAQ, and saw that Arjac's Forhammer acts as Thunderhammer even if he uses it as a range weapon. However, I got some question regarding that.... Will his "Grimnar's Champion" Rule, which allows you to re-roll all To Hit roll against IC or MC work on his throw/shooting attack? P.S. Too bad this ability cannot be applied on Mephiston since he is not IC nor MC...(or is it? Not really sure) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221235-arjac-rockfists-grimnars-champion-question/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zzo Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Does his re-roll to hits specifically say in CC? (don't have my codex on me) Otherwise I would say you can, and no it would not work on mephiston as he is not either. However, just throw the hammer at him, you're hitting on 2s anyways, and try to hit him with jaws. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221235-arjac-rockfists-grimnars-champion-question/#findComment-2642096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thor1234 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 RAI id say no.... you can't 'allocate' shooting attacks and in the description it says he good at duelling. hammers at dawn anyone? RAW is less obvious..... it doesn't specify just in CC but I would go with no and probably go a bit nuts if someone pulled it on me...... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221235-arjac-rockfists-grimnars-champion-question/#findComment-2642404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Perhaps this would be worth a quick read: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=179925 The Dex entry seems pretty clear to me: "...may re-roll all failed To Hit against an enemy wit the IC or MC rule." So yes. IMO. Anytime he is using his "Foehammer", throwig/shooting or in CC, I consider him dueling with an enemy IC or MC. As for the Twilight Librarian, I'm sure he's got his own "specials" why would wishing for another characters "specials" to be spread around? It would make it much less special if others had it - just like the change to the "Venreable Dreadnaights" nerfed "Venerable" because the UltraSmurfs whined so much for not having it. Now everyone has it and t's not that special anymore. Really getting sick of the whining and wishing for things from other Chapters and IC's to be applied to to EVERY Chapter. That's why there is C:SM, you can play vanilla and pay for EVRYTHING if you want and there will be NOTHING special or distinctive about your army. Meph can go suck a lemon for all I care, it might actually do his paleness some good being all enemic and such with the blood drinking. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221235-arjac-rockfists-grimnars-champion-question/#findComment-2642427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 If Arjac's attack is being allocated specifically against an MC or IC, then yes. So a Wraithlord, Avatar or Carnifex on it's own? Sure. A Captain in a Command Squad - no, because he's not being targeted, his squad is. As for the Twilight Librarian, I'm sure he's got his own "specials" why would wishing for another characters "specials" to be spread around? It would make it much less special if others had it - just like the change to the "Venreable Dreadnaights" nerfed "Venerable" because the UltraSmurfs whined so much for not having it. Now everyone has it and t's not that special anymore. Really getting sick of the whining and wishing for things from other Chapters and IC's to be applied to to EVERY Chapter. That's why there is C:SM, you can play vanilla and pay for EVRYTHING if you want and there will be NOTHING special or distinctive about your army. Meph can go suck a lemon for all I care, it might actually do his paleness some good being all enemic and such with the blood drinking. That's completely missing the point. He said this can't be used against Mephiston, because Mephiston isn't an IC or MC and so Arjac's special rule is worthless, just as it is worthless vs a Lone Wolf. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221235-arjac-rockfists-grimnars-champion-question/#findComment-2642452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Meph isn't an IC? As from the descriptions I found online via a quick Google, I would say he "qualifies" as an IC. If GW has deemed it otherwise suppose thats their call. I still think Arjac would rock his world and put an end to his blood drinkinig days. If he must allocate his attacks as much as possible and if Meph is in a poition to get singled out, then so be it. Unable to re-roll, so what, unless you've got cursed or otherwise unrelible dice or skills in rolling them, what do you have to worry about? Apologies for missing it earlier. It's late an I haven't gotten much sleep the past few days. No he cannot use the re-roll special rule against a non-IC or MC. He'll still thump him unless you gotz bad dice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221235-arjac-rockfists-grimnars-champion-question/#findComment-2642467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Mephiston isn't an IC. Apparently, GW felt that the ability to hide a S6 T6 A many W4 2+ monster inside a squad was a bit much. Also, he's insane. Personally, I'd recommend dealing with him the same way the rest of our Astartes brothers do... copious amounts of plasma, Melta and Lascannon fire to the head. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221235-arjac-rockfists-grimnars-champion-question/#findComment-2642481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalachiOfRuss Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Mephiston isn't an IC. Apparently, GW felt that the ability to hide a S6 T6 A many W4 2+ monster inside a squad was a bit much. Also, he's insane. Personally, I'd recommend dealing with him the same way the rest of our Astartes brothers do... copious amounts of plasma, Melta and Lascannon fire to the head. Yeah, he doesn't get an Invul save either. So, yeah, just pour that heavy/special weapons fire into him and he'll go down. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221235-arjac-rockfists-grimnars-champion-question/#findComment-2642754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfire Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Meph isn't an IC? As from the descriptions I found online via a quick Google, I would say he "qualifies" as an IC. The only thing that qualifies a model to be an IC is a notation in the unit descripion that says "Independant Character". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221235-arjac-rockfists-grimnars-champion-question/#findComment-2643658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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