Dr Duck Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I've been expanding my Chaos marine army recently, but rather than just focus on the known traitor legions i've been enjoying exploring projects with some of the other fallen, renegade or wayward chapters/units. So far its been quite successful. As a former Dark Angel player it was an obvious thing to start including some Fallen. Recently i've started pulling together plans for how I would go about doing a unit of Wolf 13th Company too. To my knowledge I can't think of a Blood Angel group/company/faction that also fit into this mould and would make a nice 'cameo' unit in my army. But I thought i'd check in with you good selves to see if there was a vital bit of fluff i'd overlooked? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221262-fallen-blood-angels/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gv0zD Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The only thing I can think about is the confrontation of BA factions described by James Swallow in his books. Although I didn't read them, so can't provide any details. I'd prefer not to take those events into consideration, as they seem pretty dubious to be canon. Also you may check the Knights of Blood in latest C:BA. It is rumored that they were a renegade chapter. Also you may find Knights of Blood in C:CSM. So I'd suggest you go this way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221262-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2642424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBMAKENZIE Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 There are a whole successor chapter. Blood Knights or something like that. Check the chaos book. Or look around theforum theres a thread on it somewhere. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221262-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2642504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br0ther Rafen Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 From my limited knowledge of the badab war, Lamenters were siding with Huron, and you could say that a very small portion of marines (like a 50 guys or something) joined Huron when he escaped into the Maelstrom. Although, knights of Blood would probably be a better choice overall. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221262-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2642530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 bear in mind 2 things re knights of blood- they may be different chapters in both codex's, and the ones in the ba codex have been declared excom, but thats not quite the same as falling to chaos... Read and consider first before jumping in is all i'm suggesting, dont make assumptions based on 2nd hand interpretations. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221262-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2642552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Duck Posted February 1, 2011 Author Share Posted February 1, 2011 Indeed. On the upside they fit in well with the army as its a Iron warrior core and according to the lex at least, they are red and silver.... aesthetically that's a big tick. However... your right in that while they are renegades, we are not talking tainted marines. I'd hoped there would be a famous, red-thirst fuelled, group out there but if not then so be it :rolleyes: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221262-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2642589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 yea generally you find that ba and their succesors hate chaos because of the herasy and what happened to sanguinius and they are reminded of it through te red thirst and black rage... so whatever you do dont put us any where near black legion.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221262-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2642590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_son_of_Dorn Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 you may getthe odd unit who gets corrupted here and there, id say they are immune from khorne as the black rage is sagnius's own version of the bezerker state in which they fight in blidning fury to loyalty Ive always wanted to play with the idea of death guard blood angels and i couldnt think of anymore fitting fluff that what was posted in the blooa angels AI of the dorian heresey. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221262-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2642620 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Biskit Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I do remember reading a bit of fluff to do with the Grey Knights that said that they were the only group of Space Marines that have never had anyone fall to Chaos. So I think that a BA model or two in your army might work but I also remember the fluff that BA are highly resistant to the influence of Chaos due to the genetic hate memory of Sanguinius duel with Horus. In the end your army's theme is entirely up to you. If you choose to leave the official cannon I dont realy see many complaints, most of the cannon is contradictory anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221262-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2642628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Captain Devlonir Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The key is really that.. the genetic memory of Sanguinius. No other Chapter is so infused with the spirit of their Primarch than the Blood Angels, and they all remember how their Primarch was killed by Chaos. They will not easilly turn to the thing that killed what they all strive to become. Also: the Blood Angels rituals and prayers to Sanguinius and the Emperor are an important part of what allows them to ignore the Black Rage as long as possible. Forgoing that curses a member to a much quicker fall than their loyalist brothers. So any Blood Angel who does turn Chaos probably does not live for long. The Black Rage is even worse than a Khorne Blessing.. especially because they see images of their Primarch fighting Demons and Horus.. the things they should consider their allies now they are Chaos.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221262-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2642651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Duck Posted February 1, 2011 Author Share Posted February 1, 2011 Really the idea is that its a Iron Warrior army but with a few 'guest stars'. But I wanted them to be suitably iconic units. For example a unit of black marines with dark angels insignia will be readily identifiable as Fallen, equally Space Wolves with werewolf heads most will 'get'. A blood angel unit would have completed the 'set' but it does need to be something that people recognise and it does seem that this is one chapter that is less susceptible to turning over to chaos, hence the lack of any major candidates. I appreciate the input though ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221262-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2642668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gv0zD Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The key is really that.. the genetic memory of Sanguinius. No other Chapter is so infused with the spirit of their Primarch than the Blood Angels, and they all remember how their Primarch was killed by Chaos. They will not easilly turn to the thing that killed what they all strive to become. Also: the Blood Angels rituals and prayers to Sanguinius and the Emperor are an important part of what allows them to ignore the Black Rage as long as possible. Forgoing that curses a member to a much quicker fall than their loyalist brothers. So any Blood Angel who does turn Chaos probably does not live for long. The Black Rage is even worse than a Khorne Blessing.. especially because they see images of their Primarch fighting Demons and Horus.. the things they should consider their allies now they are Chaos.. True. And I hope it will be so for another 40 millennia ;) But imagine this: an annoying inquisitor in pursuit of his personal goals is initiating investigations one after another to find the corruption of a "blood-drinking and black-raging" chapter. Enraged by this the Chapter Master kills the intrusive human.... The Chapter is declared renegade, and squads of Adeptus Sororitas are sent to bring them to justice. Well, you can imagine what happens next. Then the offended marines break their ties with the rotten Imperium... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221262-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2642680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I like the irony of the Blood Angels. The BA's and successors are the least likely to turn to chaos due to the flaw but the most likely to be declared excomunicate, because of that same flaw. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221262-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2642714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Captain Devlonir Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 But imagine this: an annoying inquisitor in pursuit of his personal goals is initiating investigations one after another to find the corruption of a "blood-drinking and black-raging" chapter. Enraged by this the Chapter Master kills the intrusive human.... The Chapter is declared renegade, and squads of Adeptus Sororitas are sent to bring them to justice. Well, you can imagine what happens next. Then the offended marines break their ties with the rotten Imperium... Yet they still follow the living memory of their loving Primarch and the Imperium he died for ten thousand years ago. ;-) One that is very different than what the Imperium is today! (in one aspect, for example: that the Emperor himself did not wish to be worshipped like a God, but the Imperial Cult forces all to do so now) And the fact that Primarch died fighting Chaos would still be enough reason not to follow the same thing. A renegade Blood Angels chapter would sooner join the Tau than Chaos. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221262-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2642827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gv0zD Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 A renegade Blood Angels chapter would sooner join the Tau than Chaos. Cant' argue with this. Chaos is forbidden even to renegade BA. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221262-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2642861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judaz Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 But chaos is also decieving. Forget Khorne, BA will never fall to Khorne. Slaanesh? Not very likely. Nurgle? It might work. Tzeentch? Changer of ways? With a sacred number of 9? He is the one that could trick some BA into turning chaos if anyone. Most that fall to chaos don't even know it until it's too late and Mr. Change is the grandmaster of decieving (who is that Deciever guy I've heard so much about?). Remember also that 1000 sons, White scars and BA were the first 3 legions to train Librarians (according to BL's Thousand Sons). So if I would make some chaotic Blood Angels they would all be cheering for Tzeentch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221262-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2643078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I can see renegade BAs working as agents of chaos without knowing. Then having their spirits be completely broken and becoming Chaos Marines. Bit like Anakin after he kills Mace Windu Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221262-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2643104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I've always thought that the Black Rage must be a very confusing thing to any Chaos Blood Angel. Who surely exist, as the Grey Knights are the only organization who can say that not one of their members has ever fallen. If you can avoid the Black Rage issue, though, I think any of the Four would work. While it certainly doesn't seem likely that any Blood Angel would willingly worship Khorne, it'd be easy enough for some to be serving his ends unwittingly. And if a Blood Angel has already fallen to Chaos itself, Khorne may not be that hard of a final step. At the most extreme state of heresy, a mystically inclined Blood Angel who had spent a lot of time with Word Bearers may find himself believing that the Deus Sanguine may just be an aspect of the Blood God. Slaanesh actually seems overwhelmingly easy. And Nurgle... well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221262-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2643175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 As far as an 'iconic' heretic BA - a captain/Lord armed for CC and with jump pack might work, or a Corrupted Sang Priest (novitiate who fell to chaos half way thru training maybe?) as a kind of Dark Apostle. A squad of Raptors maybe? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221262-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2643289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demoulius Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The key is really that.. the genetic memory of Sanguinius. No other Chapter is so infused with the spirit of their Primarch than the Blood Angels, and they all remember how their Primarch was killed by Chaos. They will not easilly turn to the thing that killed what they all strive to become. Also: the Blood Angels rituals and prayers to Sanguinius and the Emperor are an important part of what allows them to ignore the Black Rage as long as possible. Forgoing that curses a member to a much quicker fall than their loyalist brothers. So any Blood Angel who does turn Chaos probably does not live for long. The Black Rage is even worse than a Khorne Blessing.. especially because they see images of their Primarch fighting Demons and Horus.. the things they should consider their allies now they are Chaos.. True. And I hope it will be so for another 40 millennia :lol: But imagine this: an annoying inquisitor in pursuit of his personal goals is initiating investigations one after another to find the corruption of a "blood-drinking and black-raging" chapter. Enraged by this the Chapter Master kills the intrusive human.... The Chapter is declared renegade, and squads of Adeptus Sororitas are sent to bring them to justice. Well, you can imagine what happens next. Then the offended marines break their ties with the rotten Imperium... tbh the inquisitor in question is most likely called a heretic far sooner then AN ENTIRE SPACE MARINE CHAPTER.... space marines are a very worhty commoodity for the imperium. if an inquisitor, no matter how high his rank is found to be disrupting the good will of a space marine chapter hes on some seriously dangerous ground, not just because the space marines that hes pissing off but also because of his own organisation (inquisistion) and most likely every living imperial soul in that galaxy because quite frankly; if he hasent found something after several attempts of scrying, hes just pushing buttons and becomes a danger to the "public" even if he protests that he trying to protect said public from them.... that said. blood angels are a little les likely to turn to chaos, but its not impossible. we even have a renegade chapter after all. though mind you renegade and chaos are 2 completly different things, its not impossible that some went completly chaotic though ;) and i couldnt care less if someone said that a model in his army is a "chaos-blood angel" or whatever....all the more reasons for me to purge his ass :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221262-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2643306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherMoses Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I hate to say that the Red Thirst does make us more likely to become Khornates in the long run. Who knows what strange effects the warp my have on the Black Rage, but the Red Thirst certainly brings us one step closer to Khorne. He has scarred our lineage once before. But as we are vigilant against the Rage and our own wayward instincts, so must we be vigilant against the predations of the Dark Gods. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221262-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2643335 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Yncarne Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I don't have much to say, but I did like Leonaides' suggestions. Otherwise, it depends on your Chaos army. If they are more like Alpha Legion or Nightlords, I could see some Lamenters in there. IA10 is interesting reading when one reads about the Lamenters and Executioners. If your army is much more daemonic or mutated, I don't think that would work. I'm just throwing it out there. One of the Chaos players in my group has minimal daemonic/mutation look to his army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221262-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2643354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nathan Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 tbh the inquisitor in question is most likely called a heretic far sooner then AN ENTIRE SPACE MARINE CHAPTER.... space marines are a very worhty commoodity for the imperium. if an inquisitor, no matter how high his rank is found to be disrupting the good will of a space marine chapter hes on some seriously dangerous ground, not just because the space marines that hes pissing off but also because of his own organisation (inquisistion) and most likely every living imperial soul in that galaxy because quite frankly; if he hasent found something after several attempts of scrying, hes just pushing buttons and becomes a danger to the "public" even if he protests that he trying to protect said public from them.... that said. blood angels are a little les likely to turn to chaos, but its not impossible. we even have a renegade chapter after all. though mind you renegade and chaos are 2 completly different things, its not impossible that some went completly chaotic though :rolleyes: and i couldnt care less if someone said that a model in his army is a "chaos-blood angel" or whatever....all the more reasons for me to purge his ass ;) not quite true. inquisitors have power over spacemarines. to an extent. sure he cant just point at the space wolves and say they have so much hair they are mutants kill them all. but he can go, they are hairyer than normal, we should look closer... and keep an eye on them, till he collects enough evidence so that he can sway enough inquisitors and those under their leadership to the task of killing off the dogs. infact i believe both chapters have been investigated before and neither like the inquisition and both have their secrets that they have hidden. although if ba would be declaird traitorus because of their flaws.... doughtful as they use them to futher their fight. if it became uncontrolable to the point we full on attack a brother chapter because they are wearing black and we mistook them for horus... whats far more likely is pentinant crusades etc such as the chapters that were in the wrong in the babdab wars were forced to do would make more sense... from fluff there sems to be a few squads from some chapters on their own pentinant crusadeds into places like the eye. its possible that a few were maby turned while on their course, although maby they appear to have turned whilst they also bide their time to do something more important than be loyal to their chapter(for instance get revenge on the black legion...) or retrieve some relic some chaos lord has and they have to go up the chain of command and take it down from within. i just think ba hate chaos enough that they wouldntbe fully commited to their gods like the world eaters or thousand sons, but more like the night lords and us them to get to where they need to be if they must use them at all... maby they would surround themselves with mindless killers who they can use to such ends... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221262-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2643415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Duck Posted February 1, 2011 Author Share Posted February 1, 2011 Nurgle? It might work. Actually that was my original plan for having some fun with a mixed 'guest star unit'. My primary army is Nurgle and i had pondered putting a unit of zombified marines from other chapters all raised. I never got round to it but its a handy 'catch all', no ones safe from Zombie Plague In this case though the fact theres no , known, iconic chapter or group rules them out as that was one of the other criteria. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221262-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2643424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvus_rex Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Well the codex outright says that successor chapters found in later centuries are more likely to be "tainted" by the flaw. It also says that two chapters, the Flesh Eaters and the Exsanguinators were completely undone by it. I'm guessing they went into full blown blood rage. Who can say where that might lead them? For that matter never underestimate desperation. I don't see actual Blood Angels doing it but a successor chapter might take some pretty extreme steps to avoid dying out. After all Magnus and Corax both went pretty far a field in the name of saving their legions. Who can say a chapter master wouldn't be willing to make the same choice? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221262-fallen-blood-angels/#findComment-2643615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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