Token Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I think the idea of berserkers are cool, and think that a marines stats, without the armor or bolter, would be like a fenris wolfs, so, im thinking of fielding mariens without armor, counting them as fenrisian wolves. One of the problems would be their leadership, which can be fixed by having them led by a thunderlord, kinda giving them ld 10 instead of the wolves low ld. The other problem would be models, anyone got any good ideas on what models to use? The fantasy marauders could work, but i dont like their legs. They are as big as a non power armored marine should be. Are there other models that could work, preferably plastic. The third problem is fluff, why would a marine leave his armor and bolter behind? Does he believe he will go to Valhall/drink mjöd at the emperors side? Is he stricken by some nurgle plauge that will turn him into a vessel of chaos and needs to die before that happends? Cool fluff ideas would be appriciated. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221269-the-naked-marines/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decoy Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Chaos Marauders are damned nice models, but slightly disproportional. Try a bit of cutting and GS resculpting around the knee and hip areas, and you should come up with more upright, more dynamic models. (Also, give them new hairstyles, because the Chaos styles are just silly.) Fluffily, you could always just describe them as pre-Marine Fenrisians! These are "auxilliaries" who have proven their worth to a Great Company's Lord, and he keeps them around in case of emergencies, or to fill in the gaps in an offensive line. However, you'd probably be best-served by tying it in with a "Rogue Wolflord" theme, because this rabble of folk is led by (presumably) an actual Space Marine, full armor and whatnot. In terms of reasoning, it'd be best to simply have the "Fenrisians" follow the Lord by virtue of his power, force of personality, technological superiority (et cetera), perhaps because he is offering them the glory of the Fenrisian Gods in their service to him. There's a whole bunch of ways to spin this, and it leaves great room for creativity. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221269-the-naked-marines/#findComment-2642487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Token Posted February 1, 2011 Author Share Posted February 1, 2011 Thanks for the ideas, but forgot to mention.. My marines arent actual space wolves living on fenris, but are instead called Tor Marines, and they are blue. Havent finished, or barely started, the fluff.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221269-the-naked-marines/#findComment-2642489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decoy Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Oh, no worries there, mate. However, when asking for a fluff justification, it is always wise to offer up pertinent fluff-based information about the chapter. Honestly, I think that Fluff could apply to damned near any planet. Judging by the name, there'd be very little difference (fluff-based culturally, that is) between the Torians and Fenrisians. Just substitute names and boom, tough actin' tinactin. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221269-the-naked-marines/#findComment-2642491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Bloodwolf Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Chaos Marauders are the same size as unarmored marines? I find that hard to believe ;) something I was going to suggest model wise is to get some beastmen torsos and arms (plus their weapons and shields are usefull) and put them on SM legs and such with human heads. Fluff wise just have it be the similar to the World Eaters or actual berserkers, that those warriors unhale a mind altering chemical (maybe an incense burned in prayer to the Emperor) that's strong enough to effect their system and it sends them berserk. But some who do this too much go insane (hence the reduced leadership) and are in a constant berserk state and have to be contained when not in battle. Or just represent it that your chapter has a large number of scouts and they use them as berserkers. Those who survive go on to become actual marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221269-the-naked-marines/#findComment-2642850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wysten Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I was going to suggest using warriors of chaos, meaty, chunky armour like a marine, massive wolf robes. They take effort to convert, but a few of them mixed into your forces as group leaders looks fantastic. Sadly, I think thats not really what your looking for. As for why, could be lone wolf, it could be a bunch of corrupted Space Wolves who's only repeatance is death. I can't really see too much reason, Space Wolves are space marines after all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221269-the-naked-marines/#findComment-2642951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Token Posted February 3, 2011 Author Share Posted February 3, 2011 Thanks for the ideas, them being noob marines could work.. But how hard is it to make a marine? Would it be possible to make so many that you dont have power armor for everyone, or throwing them out to fight without weapons as a rite of initiation? More ideas would be appreciated. Perhaps ideas that would allow the marines to be both new and old marines. Would marauder bodies with catachan legs look strange? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221269-the-naked-marines/#findComment-2645227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br0ther Rafen Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 If you'd like, you could do a "13th company" style army, which pretty much every marine is a Wulfen. Could be a pain to convert, but I have seen one before, and they look awesome. I like the idea above using auxileries from the home planet to be Bezerkers, would be an excuse to use "human" sized models (marauders, if you didn't get the hint ;)), or using them as trainee's. Not sure about Tor marines (never heard the term), but I am sure you could work out some fluff for the army. Aside from this, you could say that these guys have commited heinous crimes against your Chapter through recklessness (or something), and they can only redeem themselves in battle, by killing as many enemies beforethey go to the Emperors side. I know that it would be hard to pull off, since the average Marine isn't actually retarded enough to risk things like exile, or heresy (unless they are Skyclaws of course :evil:), but that dpends on your fluff's "foundations". Hope this helps. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221269-the-naked-marines/#findComment-2645296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Isn't there a school of thought that Beserker means "Bear Skin"? Because it would be blooming cold for the Norsemen to be running around naked, then again beserkers lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221269-the-naked-marines/#findComment-2645647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarapham Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Isn't there a school of thought that Beserker means "Bear Skin"? Because it would be blooming cold for the Norsemen to be running around naked, then again beserkers lol It is a fact that it is there it comes from: Ber (bear) and Serkr (A clothing in the line of shirt, hide, costume.) which some warriors wore. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221269-the-naked-marines/#findComment-2645653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Isn't there a school of thought that Beserker means "Bear Skin"? Because it would be blooming cold for the Norsemen to be running around naked, then again beserkers lol It is a fact that it is there it comes from: Ber (bear) and Serkr (A clothing in the line of shirt, hide, costume.) which some warriors wore. Thank you for better informing me. Will keep this in mind for my own beserkers. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221269-the-naked-marines/#findComment-2645661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarapham Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Isn't there a school of thought that Beserker means "Bear Skin"? Because it would be blooming cold for the Norsemen to be running around naked, then again beserkers lol It is a fact that it is there it comes from: Ber (bear) and Serkr (A clothing in the line of shirt, hide, costume.) which some warriors wore. Thank you for better informing me. Will keep this in mind for my own beserkers. ;) And of course you can always adapt this to Wolves as well with Ulfserkr :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221269-the-naked-marines/#findComment-2645665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skarvald the Troll-faced Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Please stop spreading the myth that Berserkers were "naked" and didn't have any armor. This was never EVER the case. With Celts - maybe. Not with Berserkers who wore shirts (serkr) made from bear pelts. So believing that Berserkers wore nothing during battle is just as ignorant as thinking that Vikings actually wore horns on their helmets. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221269-the-naked-marines/#findComment-2645782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarapham Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Please stop spreading the myth that Berserkers were "naked" and didn't have any armor. This was never EVER the case. With Celts - maybe. Not with Berserkers who wore shirts (serkr) made from bear pelts. So believing that Berserkers wore nothing during battle is just as ignorant as thinking that Vikings actually wore horns on their helmets. Yeah that's what Mikal and I said Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221269-the-naked-marines/#findComment-2645791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Token Posted February 3, 2011 Author Share Posted February 3, 2011 Ok, so they can have clothes. Any other good minies you can use then? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221269-the-naked-marines/#findComment-2645808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 is just as ignorant.. Someone laying claim to a misconception is no excuse for rudeness. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221269-the-naked-marines/#findComment-2645811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Token Posted February 4, 2011 Author Share Posted February 4, 2011 Iv tried putting together a warrior with catachan legs and marauder body, and it works, i tried a head from the normal space wolves sprue, guess its ment to be a bloodclaw, the one with a mohican and braid, and it didnt look good, it was to big, and the marine neck has some.. not sure what it is, but something armor like. Are there other heads that could work better? edit: nevermind, catacan heads work ok. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221269-the-naked-marines/#findComment-2646977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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