Brother Tyler Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 As one of those players that thinks that the "vampiric" aspects of the Blood Angels should be downplayed to be more subtle, I distinctly recall complaining about the fangs on the Space Hulk terminators. And then yesterday I was taking a gander at The Gothic and the Eldritch (the collected sketches of Jes Goodwin in a BL art book) and I saw the picture of Cloten, including Jes' notes about "suggestion of sharp canines less pronounced than Space Wolf". So it appears I was wrong - the Blood Angels do have fangs; or rather, the "suggestion" of fangs. I just wanted to get that on record. :cuss Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBMAKENZIE Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 So it appears I was wrong - the Blood Angels do have fangs; or rather, the "suggestion" of fangs. Theres a big difference between having a 'suggestion of fangs' and having fangs big enough to be seen on a 28mm model. :3 Especially when If I recall correctly they dont seem to have any other teeth? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/#findComment-2642515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demoulius Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 tbh normal humans like you and i also have fangs :rolleyes: its just that ours are so small compared to the rest of our teeth that they dont really stand out :lol: though when someone is angry and pulls back his lips to reveal his teeth they can be really obvious. some more so then other so i guess it varies from person to person. perhaps the same applies to marines? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/#findComment-2642534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shatter Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 As one of those players that thinks that the "vampiric" aspects of the Blood Angels should be downplayed to be more subtle, I distinctly recall complaining about the fangs on the Space Hulk terminators. And then yesterday I was taking a gander at The Gothic and the Eldritch (the collected sketches of Jes Goodwin in a BL art book) and I saw the picture of Cloten, including Jes' notes about "suggestion of sharp canines less pronounced than Space Wolf". So it appears I was wrong - the Blood Angels do have fangs; or rather, the "suggestion" of fangs. I just wanted to get that on record. :) You mean, I think, you'd like to get it on record that they had canines that could be seen or suggested and this was noted during the design process? I think it takes a lot more than that to make them vampires. For example, I don't classify my friends as vampire or not by the size of their canines. At most, they're just a collection of thematic parallels. We associate movie-monster vampires with dark 'gothic' art. Renaissance art [of Dante's Europe] is commonly (correct or not) associated with gothic art. That's it. If people want to maximise that into full blown "I vant to suck yourrr bloood", that's up to them. They drink blood, it's true... but I think it's more of a trance like religious moment when they do drink the stuff, even in the heat of blood lust aka battle lust. It's like the transubstantiation of Catholicism. They drink the blood of (symbolically) their savior or christ, Sanguinius or Jesus. **INCOMING UNDERSTATEMENT** We know the geneseed's trance is a bit 'full on'. That's all. I know it must look scary but don't let it get to you. Blood Angels are good guys. I promise. Would you consider a zealous roman catholic with larger than normal canines a vampire? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/#findComment-2642789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortysl Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I, for one, would like to thank you for this confession. Too few mwmbers of this community are willing to admit they were wrong, preferring instead to argue a point out. For my two pennies worth, i love the vampiric theme of the Blood Angels. Modifying the sarcophagus of a Furioso Dreadnought so that the occupant may drink the blood of his victims? Awesome. Pale skinned Astartes, with elongated canines and a Primarch called Sanguinius? Of course there's a suggestion of vampirism, and i don't think it should be any other way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/#findComment-2642803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrahawk Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Yup, the Vampiric theme has always been there and I'm certain it will continue to be this way. Heck, even Codex: Imperialis (1993) which laid down the foundations for the major Chapters we know and love today, outright said the Blood Angels are Vampires (using this very word). It's an epic piece of fluff by the way. :) But anyways, too often it is forgotten that the BAs are also so much more in addition to their Vampiric theme. It really is up to each individual player to decide how much they want to play up this particular theme, as one might just as easily want to focus on the Angelic theme we have going on. We have many different influences and I don't it's fair for our awesomeness to be hammered into a single category. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/#findComment-2642832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 As one of those players that thinks that the "vampiric" aspects of the Blood Angels should be downplayed to be more subtle, I distinctly recall complaining about the fangs on the Space Hulk terminators. And then yesterday I was taking a gander at The Gothic and the Eldritch (the collected sketches of Jes Goodwin in a BL art book) and I saw the picture of Cloten, including Jes' notes about "suggestion of sharp canines less pronounced than Space Wolf". So it appears I was wrong - the Blood Angels do have fangs; or rather, the "suggestion" of fangs. I just wanted to get that on record. ;) You mean, I think, you'd like to get it on record that they had canines that could be seen or suggested and this was noted during the design process? I think it takes a lot more than that to make them vampires. For example, I don't classify my friends as vampire or not by the size of their canines. At most, they're just a collection of thematic parallels. We associate movie-monster vampires with dark 'gothic' art. Renaissance art [of Dante's Europe] is commonly (correct or not) associated with gothic art. That's it. If people want to maximise that into full blown "I vant to suck yourrr bloood", that's up to them. They drink blood, it's true... but I think it's more of a trance like religious moment when they do drink the stuff, even in the heat of blood lust aka battle lust. It's like the transubstantiation of Catholicism. They drink the blood of (symbolically) their savior or christ, Sanguinius or Jesus. **INCOMING UNDERSTATEMENT** We know the geneseed's trance is a bit 'full on'. That's all. I know it must look scary but don't let it get to you. Blood Angels are good guys. I promise. Would you consider a zealous roman catholic with larger than normal canines a vampire? i'm pretty sure blood lust and battle lust are different. in fact i'm quite certain of it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/#findComment-2642838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shatter Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I think in the case of BA, they're yin yang like their towers, priests and chaplains. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/#findComment-2642879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I think in the case of BA, they're yin yang like their towers, priests and chaplains. not really. the blood angels lust for blood but not necessarily battle, the blood lust is often taken care of during battle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/#findComment-2642921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
noodle-j Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Can't they be blood drinkers with slightly larger canines without being "vampires" as such? I mean which one of us hasn't wanted to rip someone's heart out and eat it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/#findComment-2642954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 what's the big deal about the chapter having a vampiric theme? is it some sort of twili-phobia? and yes, it is theme. i know people who will point out that each trait isn't necessarily a vampiric trait, but when combined they equal something that is more or less vampire, they were purposefully selected traits that reoccur making it a theme. if you don't like the theme, then ignore it in your army, but don't try to rewrite GW's fluff to suit your own tastes. i mean, you don't see any one here complaining about the angelic or renaissance themes, so what is it about the vampire thing that strikes such a nerve with so many? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/#findComment-2643048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The suggestion of fangs ?? Come on now - what is up with that? :) G :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/#findComment-2643064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DV8 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 You're just jelly that you aren't part of a Chapter that has REAL fangs! ;) That or maybe the Blood Angels are all secretly part Space Wolf! :) DV8 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/#findComment-2643097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortysl Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 You're just jelly that you aren't part of a Chapter that has REAL fangs! ;) That or maybe the Blood Angels are all secretly part Space Wolf! :) DV8 The only problem with this theory is that i'm pretty sure the Blood Angels know how to use a bath............ :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/#findComment-2643126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Vampyres always kick arse on furries... its just the way it is !! G :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/#findComment-2643128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DV8 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The only problem with this theory is that i'm pretty sure the Blood Angels know how to use a bath............ ;) Oh snap! Bringing out the big guns are ye? Well I only have one thing to say to that and this: Vampyres always kick arse on furries... its just the way it is !! G :) Twilight. I rest my case. DV8 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/#findComment-2643189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Vampyres always kick arse on furries... its just the way it is !! G :) Twilight. I rest my case. DV8 Even then, actually: The sparkly mind-reading Mormons are far less creepy than the racist-stereotype pedophiles. Just sayin'. Also, to anyone who thinks that drinking blood doesn't make them vampires... here you go. http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o215/Animus_Seed/warhammer/BloodAngelsarevampires.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/#findComment-2643196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMouth Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 if having fangs = vampire Then space wolves are Vampire-Vikings-IN SPAAAAAAACE!!!!! SPAAACE SPAAAAACE!!!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/#findComment-2643219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shatter Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I think in the case of BA, they're yin yang like their towers, priests and chaplains. not really. the blood angels lust for blood but not necessarily battle, the blood lust is often taken care of during battle. Now I think you're confusing Red Thirst for the phrase blood lust as I used it. I think Red Thirst is a process caused by the 'warp trance' (the great hallucination of Sanguinius) and ritual blood drinking (ensanguination at creation) causing feedback with while acting upon ye olde blood lust/battle lust present in man generally. When a whole squad drinks or tastes at raining blood, it could be considered mere mass hysteria magnifying the frequency of the confluence of combined reasons for this mental 'snap'. That this happens to all of them eventually, and they're in a permanent state of obsession... one can't help but wonder how emo they really must be. Emo guys looking to destroy everything that's wrong and save the little guy because simply living is too much to bear. Sometimes, everyone drinks the wine. Certainly much more than just vampires. Bestial and angelic, assuredly. Emotional and tragic, absolutely. Holy and wise, unimaginably. Glorious and heroic, always. Gothic and kinda-vampirey-in-a-way? Whatever, it's pretty tertiary as far as I'm concerned. Just one of many factors. Gosh I ramble. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/#findComment-2643223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancient god Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o215/Animus_Seed/warhammer/BloodAngelsarevampires.jpg Oh, that quote is so great. :) I subscribe to the Blood Angels being vampiric. Love that part of our background, in fact. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/#findComment-2643225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 if having fangs = vampire Nope. But having fangs, drinking blood, having death cults, and sleeping in coffins... Certainly much more than just vampires. Bestial and angelic, assuredly. Emotional and tragic, absolutely. Holy and wise, unimaginably. Glorious and heroic, always. Gothic and kinda-vampirey-in-a-way? Whatever, it's pretty tertiary as far as I'm concerned. Just one of many factors. I both agree and disagree with you. To wit, I agree that it's just one of many factors. But you're downplaying its actual importance. It's not tertiary, it's as primary as the others. The Blood Angels are (in alphabetical order): aggressive, angelic, artistic, emotional, heroic, holy, proud, vampiric, and wise. More qualities could be added to that list, I am sure. These are all important qualities, and can be emphasized or de-emphasized as particular stories or players need. But when it comes to the Blood Angels as a whole, all of them are vital and none should be ignored. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/#findComment-2643226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMouth Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 if having fangs = vampire Nope. But having fangs, drinking blood, having death cults, and sleeping in coffins... Hi my name is Plague Angel...I like ruin fun. : DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA : :) I was poking at ops post about having the long fangs, and no other discussion about the other bits about the BA. But seriously I dont remember hearing any of this vampire fluff getting so hardcore till like ...I want to say 3rd or 4th? I need to go dig out my Angels of Death codex and see if its mentioned in there...its been years since I read it. LOLOL Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/#findComment-2643236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavement Artist Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Bang on shatter. Tertiary is exactly the sort of word to describe the matter. The chapter is so multi faceted that you dont even have touch upon the vampiric aspect of things. If blood sucking isnt your sort of thing, why not amp up the host of angels/Milton/Dante aspect? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/#findComment-2643238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I would not trust GW with the Commedia. And we really don't have any Miltonian influence, honestly. EDIT: At least, nothing that I have seen seems distinctly Miltonian. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/#findComment-2643244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavement Artist Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I would not trust GW with the Commedia. And we really don't have any Miltonian influence, honestly. EDIT: At least, nothing that I have seen seems distinctly Miltonian. I'd hope they'd never get too literal with it. These sort of references are best left as broad strokes. EDIT: There isn't anything specific in there, just that the angelic references in paradise lost resonate fairly well with the army. It's nothing to find within the codex as such, just a thematic thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/#findComment-2643249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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