Chaplain Gunzhard Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Hmm well I hate to break it to you, but if you have an 'unnatural craving' for alcohol, you are actually an alcoholic; on/off the wagon, recovering or otherwise. If you have an unnatural craving for Mt. Dew, I'd say you still have a problem as that stuff will kill yah. :) ...but neither really has anything to do with this discussion. And I am now confused by your last point... wouldn't the Blood Drinkers being successors actually prove me point?!? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/page/3/#findComment-2643627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Hmm well I hate to break it to you, but if you have an 'unnatural craving' for alcohol, you are actually an alcoholic. Well, it's a good thing my cravings are entirely natural then. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/page/3/#findComment-2643637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Hmm well I hate to break it to you, but if you have an 'unnatural craving' for alcohol, you are actually an alcoholic; on/off the wagon, recovering or otherwise. If you have an unnatural craving for Mt. Dew, I'd say you still have a problem as that stuff will kill yah. :blink: ...but neither really has anything to do with this discussion. And I am now confused by your last point... wouldn't the Blood Drinkers being successors actually prove me point?!? nobody said anything about unnatural. it's perfectly natural for a space marine to eat some flesh or drink some blood to put that gland organ thingy of theirs to use, just like it's perfectly natural a man to have a beer or a glass of wine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/page/3/#findComment-2643659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Gunzhard Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Hmm well I hate to break it to you, but if you have an 'unnatural craving' for alcohol, you are actually an alcoholic; on/off the wagon, recovering or otherwise. If you have an unnatural craving for Mt. Dew, I'd say you still have a problem as that stuff will kill yah. :blink: ...but neither really has anything to do with this discussion. And I am now confused by your last point... wouldn't the Blood Drinkers being successors actually prove me point?!? nobody said anything about unnatural. it's perfectly natural for a space marine to eat some flesh or drink some blood to put that gland organ thingy of theirs to use, just like it's perfectly natural a man to have a beer or a glass of wine. ?? ...hmm really? Did you not read any of the direct quotes that myself or others have listed? ...I think "thirst for blood and raw flesh" or "an unnatural craving for blood" are quite the opposite of 'perfectly natural'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/page/3/#findComment-2643667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gv0zD Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 It's amusing how do people argue whether BA are vampires or not. As others said - they do have certain traits, common to vampires. And the sanguine theme proves it. On the other hand, the "holy blood" also refers to Christianity, where one of the most valuable relics is the cup filled with Christ's blood. Also blood is a symbol of sacrifice and purification. So the blood-theme can be viewed differently, depending on what you like. However, it saddens me to find out that GW's artists decide to demonstrate BA vampirism by such primitive ways like long canines. And regarding the word "bloodlust". I've browsed a few dictionaries for the word's meaning: "a desire for bloodshed", "uncontrollable desire to kill", "If you say that someone is driven by a blood lust, you mean that they are acting in an extremely violent way because their emotions have been aroused by the events around them." The last one suits BA perfectly IMHO. So it seems that saying "bloodlust" is literally a thirst for blood is not that correct. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/page/3/#findComment-2643724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 It's amusing how do people argue whether BA are vampires or not. As others said - they do have certain traits, common to vampires. And the sanguine theme proves it. On the other hand, the "holy blood" also refers to Christianity, where one of the most valuable relics is the cup filled with Christ's blood. Also blood is a symbol of sacrifice and purification. So the blood-theme can be viewed differently, depending on what you like. I don't see a tension. Why can't it be a reference to all these things at the same time? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/page/3/#findComment-2643741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gv0zD Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 I don't see a tension. Why can't it be a reference to all these things at the same time? They are present at the same time. There is no reason for arguing. And there is no need to emphasize one over the other. To me BA are holy warriors, who gain their strength from their progenitor's blood (by simply seeing and feeling it, not to mention sipping it). If this can be classified like "vampires", then I like vampires, if not, I don't really care :rolleyes: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/page/3/#findComment-2643755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 I don't see a tension. Why can't it be a reference to all these things at the same time? They are present at the same time. There is no reason for arguing. And there is no need to emphasize one over the other. My point exactly. Emphasizing one over the others, you actually miss out on how great the Blood Angels are because you lose too much. Only when all are in tension, but co-existing, do you get the Chapter properly. It's all necessary. Enough! or, Too Much. Opposition is True Friendship. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/page/3/#findComment-2643757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vahouth Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 You're just jelly that you aren't part of a Chapter that has REAL fangs! ;) That or maybe the Blood Angels are all secretly part Space Wolf! :rolleyes: DV8 We have better fangs...they are retractable. ;) And keep ones face nice... :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/page/3/#findComment-2643766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Captain Devlonir Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 And regarding the word "bloodlust". I've browsed a few dictionaries for the word's meaning: "a desire for bloodshed", "uncontrollable desire to kill", "If you say that someone is driven by a blood lust, you mean that they are acting in an extremely violent way because their emotions have been aroused by the events around them." The last one suits BA perfectly IMHO.So it seems that saying "bloodlust" is literally a thirst for blood is not that correct. Quoted for truth. Bloodlust =/= A desire to drink blood. It is a desire to spill the blood of your enemies. What do those afflicted by the Red Thirst do first and foremost? Kill something and drink their blood? No, they kill something, kill some more.. kill some more.. and then when there is nothing left to kill they might go as far as drinking the blood of those they killed. So the lust for bloodshed is much stronger than the lust for blood drinking. For me, I love the Vampire theme and really mix it with the theme of White Wolf's Vampire: The Masquerade. Where Vampires are basicly humans with super powers and a dark inner beast they try to either control and subjugate or revel in feeding it's lust. And those Vampires too sometimes have moments where they loose control in battle or when especially hungry and can go on Blood Crazed killing sprees. These killing sprees too are more about slaughter and survival than they are about actually 'feeding', because their more bestial nature takes over and wants to first flee and survive before it feeds. And this is actual vampire lore from a different universe. That is the vampire I focus on.. the cultured beast that wishes to stay as human as possible, but sometimes looses the inner battle with his own inner beast. And no, they don't need long canines to show that aspect. That's the space wolves thing.. speaking about overshowing one aspect of a Chapter ;-) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/page/3/#findComment-2643805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zealadin Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Another reason to kill space wolves? Sounds good. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/page/3/#findComment-2643961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roesor Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 As long as they don't start to Sparkle >_> Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/page/3/#findComment-2643966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 As long as they don't start to Sparkle >_> ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/page/3/#findComment-2644117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roesor Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 One of the 'I want to crush you' features of the very so loved vampire lore destroying 'twilight' series. O.o Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/page/3/#findComment-2644135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Twilight does NOT exist, all reference to Twilight are the figment of my imagination, the product of a bad nightmare, twilight does not exist.... *calms himself* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/page/3/#findComment-2644205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Gunzhard Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 I'd also like to point out that folks here were using the term 'blood-lust' ...but the old codex/fluff was actually saying, and this is a direct quote, "thirst for blood and raw flesh". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/page/3/#findComment-2644250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Perhaps I should have made that link more obvious. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/page/3/#findComment-2644413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Gunzhard Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 You just can't tell some people what they don't want to hear. Frankly I am very surprised by this thread. For many years I've said the same thing, with quotes, and never had a word of support haha... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/page/3/#findComment-2644426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demoulius Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 tbh ANY marine can drink blood and eat raw meat. space marines have special organs that they use to extract information from the eh.....victim. this in turn they can use against their foes if the information holds anything vital like patrolling data, numbers, kind of support etc. may be a reason why the rumors around the blood angels arent that eye-brow rasing? ;) ps. im still saying its the cultists :pinch: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/page/3/#findComment-2644525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Gunzhard Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 lol seriously dude... read the rest of this thread. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/page/3/#findComment-2644527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 tbh ANY marine can drink blood and eat raw meat. space marines have special organs that they use to extract information from the eh.....victim. this in turn they can use against their foes if the information holds anything vital like patrolling data, numbers, kind of support etc. Yes but you see, there's this little thingie. Some call it the Red Thirst. Or the Flaw. But we could call it other things maybe. The Sippy-Cup Sanguine. Coffee Break. Mephiston's Happy Time. Lunch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/page/3/#findComment-2644539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demoulius Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Mephiston's Happy Time. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/page/3/#findComment-2644700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabadin Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Mephiston's Happy Time. :) It's true though, look at what happens when you interrupt his happy time :cuss Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/page/3/#findComment-2644996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor_Lensoven Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 And regarding the word "bloodlust". I've browsed a few dictionaries for the word's meaning: "a desire for bloodshed", "uncontrollable desire to kill", "If you say that someone is driven by a blood lust, you mean that they are acting in an extremely violent way because their emotions have been aroused by the events around them." The last one suits BA perfectly IMHO.So it seems that saying "bloodlust" is literally a thirst for blood is not that correct. Quoted for truth. Bloodlust =/= A desire to drink blood. It is a desire to spill the blood of your enemies. What do those afflicted by the Red Thirst do first and foremost? Kill something and drink their blood? No, they kill something, kill some more.. kill some more.. and then when there is nothing left to kill they might go as far as drinking the blood of those they killed. So the lust for bloodshed is much stronger than the lust for blood drinking. For me, I love the Vampire theme and really mix it with the theme of White Wolf's Vampire: The Masquerade. Where Vampires are basicly humans with super powers and a dark inner beast they try to either control and subjugate or revel in feeding it's lust. And those Vampires too sometimes have moments where they loose control in battle or when especially hungry and can go on Blood Crazed killing sprees. These killing sprees too are more about slaughter and survival than they are about actually 'feeding', because their more bestial nature takes over and wants to first flee and survive before it feeds. And this is actual vampire lore from a different universe. That is the vampire I focus on.. the cultured beast that wishes to stay as human as possible, but sometimes looses the inner battle with his own inner beast. And no, they don't need long canines to show that aspect. That's the space wolves thing.. speaking about overshowing one aspect of a Chapter ;-) you're conveniently ignoring the text in the codex that specifically states the red thirst to be directly and significantly related to the ingestion of blood. after all if the flaw only revolved around killing then there'd be no need for the red thirst since the black rage provides sufficient killing urges. "deep within the psyche of every blood angel is a destructive yearning, a battle fury and blood hunger that must be held in abeyance in every waking moment." straight from the codex. pg 13 "it is far from unknown for blood angels to temporarily succumb to it's lure at the height of battle" if the red thirst is just about spilling blood then what more is there to succumb to during the height of the battle the red thirst is the thirst for blood. and then there's the quote about the tower of amareo and the cries for the blood of the living which has already been quoted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/page/3/#findComment-2645076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gv0zD Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 you're conveniently ignoring the text in the codex that specifically states the red thirst to be directly and significantly related to the ingestion of blood. after all if the flaw only revolved around killing then there'd be no need for the red thirst since the black rage provides sufficient killing urges. "deep within the psyche of every blood angel is a destructive yearning, a battle fury and blood hunger that must be held in abeyance in every waking moment." straight from the codex. pg 13 "it is far from unknown for blood angels to temporarily succumb to it's lure at the height of battle" if the red thirst is just about spilling blood then what more is there to succumb to during the height of the battle the red thirst is the thirst for blood. and then there's the quote about the tower of amareo and the cries for the blood of the living which has already been quoted. Dude, I'm not ignoring the text in Dex. I was just saying that "bloodlust" is not the term for "thirst for blood". That's all. I'm not arguing that BA DO HAVE VAMPIRIC TRAITS. In fact I name my sarges and HQ with Latin names for vampire-bats. I just do not like the aesthetics of common fantasy vampires. The long fangs is an attribute of such vampires imho. If BA are the vampires, let them be the complicated ones like in Vampire - The Masquerade, mostly human, with the secret hidden deep within. And the artistic Renaissance theme suits this image as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221272-blood-angels-and-fangs/page/3/#findComment-2645158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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