techmarine Azuris Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 SW are the only founding chapter as well as codex who have no succesors! So is there anyway you could use the SW codex for another army, eg one that has similar doctorines? OR would this not be allowed? I am not a fan of the SW colours or fluff (mainly background) and would love to start an army as some of the models are just amazing :) Hope this made sense and thanks for any help :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221293-im-curious/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decoy Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 There are no official "Successor" chapters aside from the ill-fated Wolfbrothers, who were culled due to instability. The Wolves, however, -do- have one of (if not THE) highest "Independent" categories, with Wolf Lords breaking off from the main Space Wolves due to ideological or moralistic differences with the Great Wolf. You could always use an independently-operating Wolf army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221293-im-curious/#findComment-2642918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 In my experience most gaming groups would be fine with someone using the Wolf codex to represent their army whether it be Space Wolves or not. But if you like the models and not the colors, I'd go with Decoy's suggestion and just be the army of a Wolf Lord that has gone independent for a time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221293-im-curious/#findComment-2642928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wysten Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Indeed. Space Wolves have no offical successor, though the Wolf Brothers fate is not clearly documented and ranges from instability, to chasing the eldar through a portal and never returning. That being said, lost companys do break off after feuds with the great wolf, or simply due to the vast distances making going back counterproductive and tend to travel the empire, often continuing to serve until they die out, just without the resources of the Great Wolf and the other great companies. Hence from the outside at least, they could be just another great company, a unoffical successor to the Space Wolves that is fericely independant and adopted different colours.. That being said, there are no rules forcing you not to use the codex either. Marines tend to be able to access everything and anything Space Marine as long as it;s clear what codex is being used at the start of the match. In fluff it could be a chapter adopting a more close quarters approch. Though you will get weird looks if you attempt to use Thunder Wolf, as thunder wolf at least as another chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221293-im-curious/#findComment-2642936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
techmarine Azuris Posted February 1, 2011 Author Share Posted February 1, 2011 I was thinking of going down the Bear route rather than the wolf, or is that just stupid? Well if you have suggestion for the name of the warband/tribe? I have space cubs, but that is awful!4 Well yeah colours wise I wanted to go for a darker blue or even red with black trims? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221293-im-curious/#findComment-2642939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 SW are the only founding chapter as well as codex who have no succesors! So is there anyway you could use the SW codex for another army, eg one that has similar doctorines? OR would this not be allowed? I am not a fan of the SW colours or fluff (mainly background) and would love to start an army as some of the models are just amazing :D Hope this made sense and thanks for any help :D There are many other folks in the hobby utilizing the SW dex for their "count as" army. Count as is much more accepted in 5th edition vs previous editions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221293-im-curious/#findComment-2642942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zynk Kaladin Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I was thinking of going down the Bear route rather than the wolf, or is that just stupid?Well if you have suggestion for the name of the warband/tribe? I have space cubs, but that is awful!4 Well yeah colours wise I wanted to go for a darker blue or even red with black trims? It's only stupid if you think it is. Space Bears is a perfectly logical idea considering the Space Wolves and Space Sharks (not counting the name change), though you don't need to call them "Space Bears". Try Grizzly Warriors :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221293-im-curious/#findComment-2642949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 There are many threads on the discussion of successor chapters for the wolves and a few blogs if you want something that has some background already in place. Search for it, its out there. was thinking of going down the Bear route rather than the wolf, or is that just stupid? You could have space marines riding giant tigers into battle and call the chapter Space Cats using the SW codex for their rule set if you want. Its all up to you and how much time and money you want to devote to such a project. Nothing is stupid...... well maybe if you had them riding Smurfs into battle that would be kinda stupid, but bears would be fine. THUNDER CATS HOOOOooooooo! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221293-im-curious/#findComment-2642977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
techmarine Azuris Posted February 1, 2011 Author Share Posted February 1, 2011 Well im was gnna go down the Bear route, cos that's still keeps the feral feel? Its gnna be an UM descendant, which ahs some peculiar doctrines? :P I still need ideas for colour scheme? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221293-im-curious/#findComment-2643010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalachiOfRuss Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 SW are the only founding chapter as well as codex who have no succesors! The Salamanders list "none known" for successor chapters. They are the only other 1st founding that "possibly" doesn't have successors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221293-im-curious/#findComment-2643063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 I was thinking of going down the Bear route rather than the wolf, or is that just stupid?Well if you have suggestion for the name of the warband/tribe? I have space cubs, but that is awful!4 Well yeah colours wise I wanted to go for a darker blue or even red with black trims? Ghost Bears. It is from Mech Warriors and they have brother clans called Smoke Jaguars and Jade Falcon. Black looks toughest ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221293-im-curious/#findComment-2643522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglez Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Count as is wonderful, I'm currently using the space wolf codex for my renegade first company with support (logan leading terminators backed up with zerkers riding juggers :P ). As long as you put some effort in, most people shouldn't have an issue, and if they do tough for them :D Sure I've seen a few bear type space wolf armies, works just as well in my opinion! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221293-im-curious/#findComment-2643570 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 One can say that some tribes from Fenris worship the snow leopard, mountain lion and the kodiak bear. Maybe even a big horn sheep. I'm from Alberta, Jasper and Banff national park is not far from where I live. We have bears, sheep, elk and moose, wolves, etc running around wild all the time. Fen wolves are just the more dominant and at the top of the food chain in Fenris. There is nothing wrong with other tribes to go towards the bear direction. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221293-im-curious/#findComment-2643589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahli Llama Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Well im was gnna go down the Bear route, cos that's still keeps the feral feel? Its gnna be an UM descendant, which ahs some peculiar doctrines? :(I still need ideas for colour scheme? If you're going with grizzly bears, then I would suggest a brown/warm/earth tone look. Using reds, golds and browns. Black bears with a more traditional dark grey armor on the marines would also work. If you wanted to keep the snowy look, then white polar bears with light grey or white armor on the marines would look cool. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221293-im-curious/#findComment-2644148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulmanMN Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Cosmic Grizzlies! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221293-im-curious/#findComment-2644219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Galactic Pandas!!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221293-im-curious/#findComment-2644232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
techmarine Azuris Posted February 2, 2011 Author Share Posted February 2, 2011 I was think dark black blue, and defo going down the bear route, with paws on the shoulder pads? Galactic Grizzlies sounds great, mind if i steal it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221293-im-curious/#findComment-2644263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikken Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 I am going to be the devils advocate here , personally counts as bug me , especially if you are saying you don't like the fluff of the SW codex , 9 out of 10 players like this are after the rules in the dex . If it is truly the models you like i would say you should use the space marine book is set up very nicely for building your own chapter ,they actually encourage it and there is no reason why you could not use SW models and the SM codex if you like the SW models . You will never find anyone who objects to using SW models as the core of a SM custom chapter using the SM dex . if you are determined to use the SW codex and the rules that we get for our models , please take the time to do a very good back ground and history for your army ,and why they are who they are and what not . most counts as players i have seen are using the dex for the rules , and often do up some cheesy slapstick fluff for their army . the space bunnies , goats , teddy bears , hamsters , the list goes on . these players are using the dex exclusively for the rules and don't care about the fluff that is there to explain of justify the rules . most players who don't play space wolves will probably be ok with it , they accept that you are really just after the SW rules but don't realy care as long as it is clear what they are fighting . The space wolf players you will run into will say they don't care but are probably just being polite they are going to be mildly annoyed by it but not enough to not play with you . just my 2 cents worth , but you should take a serious look at the SM dex , it is probably more what you are after if you really want to build a custom chapter , unless you want to use our rules . sorry i don't mean to be a grouch , but you will run into grouches like me out there if you are going to use the dex but not the fluff . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221293-im-curious/#findComment-2644360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
techmarine Azuris Posted February 2, 2011 Author Share Posted February 2, 2011 Ikken i agree I'm not a fan of count as either, the background is gnna be based on Fenris as well! I wasnt gnna make a cheese list, I want 2:1 claws:grey hunter and a wolf lord. I dont particularly like TWC, RP spam (just seems odd) and well I am a fan of long fangs, but yh not spamming it! :) I hope you understand why I dont wnna use C:SM, cos it just seems bland and I love the feral and wild feel of the codex Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221293-im-curious/#findComment-2644433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I am going to be the devils advocate here , personally counts as bug me , especially if you are saying you don't like the fluff of the SW codex , 9 out of 10 players like this are after the rules in the dex . If it is truly the models you like i would say you should use the space marine book is set up very nicely for building your own chapter ,they actually encourage it and there is no reason why you could not use SW models and the SM codex if you like the SW models . You will never find anyone who objects to using SW models as the core of a SM custom chapter using the SM dex . if you are determined to use the SW codex and the rules that we get for our models , please take the time to do a very good back ground and history for your army ,and why they are who they are and what not . most counts as players i have seen are using the dex for the rules , and often do up some cheesy slapstick fluff for their army . the space bunnies , goats , teddy bears , hamsters , the list goes on . these players are using the dex exclusively for the rules and don't care about the fluff that is there to explain of justify the rules . most players who don't play space wolves will probably be ok with it , they accept that you are really just after the SW rules but don't realy care as long as it is clear what they are fighting . The space wolf players you will run into will say they don't care but are probably just being polite they are going to be mildly annoyed by it but not enough to not play with you . just my 2 cents worth , but you should take a serious look at the SM dex , it is probably more what you are after if you really want to build a custom chapter , unless you want to use our rules . sorry i don't mean to be a grouch , but you will run into grouches like me out there if you are going to use the dex but not the fluff . GW says count as is fine. You can use the Salamander hero in your UM army. C:SM pg 127. Jervis Jonson, the man that seems allergic to winning and long time Fluff lord, has an article where his 'grey Marines' have used various Codices. It is excellent that you love the fluff and are a loyal Wolf player. However, you are expecting others to conform to your view of how the game 'should' be played. GW does not agree with you. All the rules are legal and legitimate. If someone is using the Dex because the play-style suits them, or because the Dex is beardy, is that really a reason to get them to jump through hoops? If Bob the nominal Wolf player [he thinks Marines drinking beer is fun] has some OP army list, then that is okay. If John the Ghost Bear player does the same thing, he is contemptible or better 'earn your approval'.... :) C:SM is not for ferocious Warrior marines. Disciplined Roman soldiers, yes. If people would not play someone "because they are using their Dex and not doing it properly" then they have saved the count as player from a painful experience anyway. I remember some kids at kindy and Primary school saying 'You can come and play with my toys, but you have to play my way." It seems somethings never change. If someone spends $1K on Wolves, he can min-max his army until the cows come home. If someone has already spent $1K on Chaos Marines, he is by no means eligible to use your Codex, whether or not he is 'being beardy' or otherwise. Mmhmmm. Fluff changes. Rules change. Why the big ordeal and the exhalting of what GW has currently printed, as though it was from on high? People complain about count as ruining fluff, yet are the same people who always seem to carry on about how 'deep and involved' 40K fluff is. Yet they expect tabletop games to follow verbatim what is mentioned in a particular book. That seems small and elitist to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221293-im-curious/#findComment-2645100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturm Moonwolf Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Bear Grylls can be your Bear Lord... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221293-im-curious/#findComment-2645105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
postal105 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Bear Grylls can be your Bear Lord... I like that idea and i now wish i had thought of it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221293-im-curious/#findComment-2645196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I was thinking of going down the Bear route rather than the wolf, or is that just stupid?Well if you have suggestion for the name of the warband/tribe? I have space cubs, but that is awful!4 Well yeah colours wise I wanted to go for a darker blue or even red with black trims? It's only stupid if you think it is. Space Bears is a perfectly logical idea considering the Space Wolves and Space Sharks (not counting the name change), though you don't need to call them "Space Bears". Try Grizzly Warriors :P Or the Ursine Avengers.... ;). Ghost Bears? ;). Seriously, I love bears, as I suppose only makes sense. So I say go for it. But yeah, some of my favorite "SW" armys were done with an entirely gaelic feel to them.... nothings stopping you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221293-im-curious/#findComment-2645644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLastHuzzah Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Beware the wrath of the VOID KOALAS, specializing in tree-to-tree warfare. The shoulder pad can be a eucalyptus leaf; death by cuteness and chainswords! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221293-im-curious/#findComment-2645703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skarvald the Troll-faced Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Astral Bears. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221293-im-curious/#findComment-2645793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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