MagicMan Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 So ive been browsing the BA codex and i've been thinking about using it for my marines (A possible total of 5 Chaplains?! Yes please Skull-faced-badassery.) and i noticed something pretty weird. Mephiston, to be precise. Why is he the same strength and toughness as a Hive Tyrant, and has more wounds? I know that a Space Marine is bigger than a normal man, but for size comparision purposes. http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product...wingtyrant5.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breng77 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Because he is a daemon prince :), or maybe a space vampire. Blood for the Blood G...Angels, I meant to say angels really I did... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sofacoin Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Why is he the same strength and toughness as a Hive Tyrant, and has more wounds? The Emperor protects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Because he is either Sanguinius reborn or something very evil just biding its time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexington Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 It's fairly strongly hinted that by overcoming the flaws in his geneseed, Mephiston's tapped into some of the enormous potential of the Primarch himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calgar101 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 He's overcome the curse that is the black rage and unlocked latent psychic powers. Evidently this is what awaits those who can do the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skolia Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 It is likely something to do with how he overcame his little "ailment" on Armageddon... But I doubt we'll ever be able to do anything other than speculate. Perhaps, as previously suggested, he is closer to his Primarch than any of his other brothers? *Shrugs* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeller Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Wounds are a measure of how much you can shrug off and keep going - not your phyiscal size. Strength..I don't know. Maybe he's what you'd call a "little primarch." Others may speculate that he's simply achieved super saiyan 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMan Posted February 1, 2011 Author Share Posted February 1, 2011 Right. Kinda strange. Another thing which i noticed, and was pretty funny considering that the Librarian entry is on the page next to Mephistons. ''Nor is there complete trust even within the ranks of the Librarians themselves, for they must keep watch over their fellows, so that should one fall to the whispered madness of Chaos or the Black Rage he can be slain, swiftly and mercifully, before he wreaks untold harm on the Chapter that he once loyally served.'' And theeeennn.... ''Mephiston was once Brother Calistarius, a Librarian... ...during the Second War for Armageddon, the curse of Sanguinius stole upon him. Inducted into the Death Company...'' Shouldn't he have been killed straight away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calgar101 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Perhaps it means that when the Black Rage takes over them then they're killed? Where usually the marine is herded into battle, fights and if he lives is then killed, a Librarian once affected by the rage is killed on the spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherMoses Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Magicman, Calgar, its time I let you in on a little secret: The fluff in the new Blood Angels codex is poorly thought out garbage. You are far better reading the 3rd edition Blood Angels codex and just using our new codex for the rules, because the fluff in the new codex is terrible. Its full of plot holes and attempts to distract you with flashy effects like a Michael Bay film. Somewhere between reading about the Super Saiyan Sanguinor and travelling undertaker Astorath I realized how horrible it was and decided to basically ignore it. For your sake and the sake of our chapter I suggest you just ignore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calgar101 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Oh I know this Moses and much prefer my 3rd ed codex for the fluff ;) Just trying to answer Magic's questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shatter Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Perhaps everyone falling to the rage should be flailed within an inch of life, placed within a reinforced sarcophagus for a few weeks and then questioned by remote. Repeat until sane or dead. Worked for Mephiston. "Oh, it's their first words that have always peaked my curiosity." "M'Lord?" "After their internment, and their vox clicks on, they sometimes say something. It's an important sentence." "..." "'WHERE ARE MY WINGS!' Classic." "My lord." "Or how about this one? Totally incomprehensible; 'We're coming to get you Barbara!' "Brother Cedrius surmised the subject had unlocked genetic memories of his host DNA, invoking an ancestral someone from the 21st century, by the manner of speech if you can believe it, who turned around and possessed him. He was proven useless to us and after harvesting him, we destroyed him. He was however posthumously credited with the first Baal pizza recipe and the drinking cap." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 There are degrees of falling to the Black Rage - if he was picked up at an early stage, he may have asked to be inducted into the DC, despite not feeling its full effects yet, in order that he might fight and die with honour before it overcame him and he had to be executed by his brethren... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMan Posted February 1, 2011 Author Share Posted February 1, 2011 Magicman, Calgar, its time I let you in on a little secret: The fluff in the new Blood Angels codex is poorly thought out garbage. I had been getting that impression, haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidewinder 3 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 ....This is THE REASON....How Awesome I am... <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espada Azul Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Stat inflation added with Matt Ward? Which was, oddly enough, justified in the rulebook inself that Mephiston was turning into 'something else' -- but whether it was something daemonic or a manifestation of the true potential of Sanguinius' geneseed is up for interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 In all its uber glory statts, their is one guy who can kill Mephie with just one good swing. "Skulltaker" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 yeah only mefo casts str 10 first turn that stays for the whole game because of its wording ,he strikes first and has enough attacks to kill him . arjac is something that can kill mefo because mefo cant target him , but thats 400 pts killing 250 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Scourge Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Because Matt Ward is trying to see just how much GW'll let him get away with before they fire him and enslave Phill Kelly as the sole writer of codici. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemal Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Stat inflation added with Matt Ward? Which was, oddly enough, justified in the rulebook inself that Mephiston was turning into 'something else' -- but whether it was something daemonic or a manifestation of the true potential of Sanguinius' geneseed is up for interpretation. Actually it snot stats inflation. 2nd Ed Codex Angels of Blood had Meph at the same stat baseline as a Vampire Lord. Now if we considr how hard a Vampire Lord is against the run-of-the-mill characters found in WHFB, you can see the inspiration. I'd rather say that he's stayed the same, everything else has become less uber. S6 and T6 in a high letahlity battlefield still isn't THAT great, after all how many high S weapons are there in 40K? I can think of at least a dozen weapons that can shoot Meph and a few units which, albeit expensively, deal with Meph. Fortunately they also deal with other MEQ uber units as well so can be easily justified vs a Blood angels force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breng77 Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 My biggest issue with his statline is his initiative, it just makes him way too good, against certain armies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMan Posted February 2, 2011 Author Share Posted February 2, 2011 S6 and T6 in a high letahlity battlefield still isn't THAT great, after all how many high S weapons are there in 40K? Same Strength/Toughness as a Hive Tyrant, Trygon, Tyrannofex. With his Pyschic sword thingy, he's stronger than a Carnifex, has more wounds and is just as tough. Hrmmm makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemal Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Aye, he is also a lving embodiment of Snagunius, one of teh few if not only Blood ANgels to have come out of the other side of the Black Rage as more than a howling beast. Remember what Cluten turns inot in Blood Quest? That's what happens to most BA if they survive the DC. That looks S5/T5 at least to me. I wouldn't compare his S6/T6 to that of a Carnifex. T, W may be measures of how tough a model is - if we consider then that Meph is essentially a Vampire in the traditional model, his S6/T6 are probably about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishida Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Its called Codex Creep, sonny. Back in my day, we had to walk uphill, in the snow, on a Death World, just to ask the neighbor if we could use a Special Character... Get off my lawn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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