Tolek Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Greetings Battle-Brothers! I would like to put this out there and this is the response I got from GW. I love the black templars and I would also like to create a BT successor, which I now believe is possible under the guidance provided. Fluff and story would probly have to be pretty believable but with some creative thinking, this could work. So let the creating begin and hope this helps spark some creative thinking and positive results. (my intent here is to share the knowledge I have been provided) -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hall [mailto:andrew.hall@games-workshop.com] On Behalf Of US Customer Service Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 5:22 PM Subject: RE: Black Templar successors? (UNCLASSIFIED) Greetings! Thank you for writing in to us! Nothing in the Black Templars codex says that you can not make a successor chapter. Feel free to make one if you would like. Cheers. Thanks! Andrew Hall Customer Service Specialist Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221384-black-templar-successors/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 BT are big enough that you have pretty free reign to just make up your own crusade and heraldry and operate far from Helbrecht. Keep the cross and black somewhere on your scheme, and good to go. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221384-black-templar-successors/#findComment-2644436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Juan Juarez Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 And this is where common sense dies. Dude, you can actually do what you want.. None here will dispute that.. But that reply is utter nonsense, in the kindest possible way. It takes nothing of the background of the rest of the universe into account, so I'm - obviously - going to say I disagree with it. That said, is it you want the organisation or the Black Templars association? You can get the former without the latter, though perhaps not in such numbers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221384-black-templar-successors/#findComment-2644460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tolek Posted February 2, 2011 Author Share Posted February 2, 2011 I was thinking that in an attempt to create a chapter in xx founding, that this crusade split off and became their own chapter, but how would you all try to flesh out the fluff for doing this? I can think of several ideas why this would and/or could happen. One idea is that Helbrecht although extremely reluctant to do so, every so often (for example 10/100 year incriments) the black templars get investigated and as a result to help satisfy the inquisitional reports and inquiries, Helbrecht delegates a crusade and "allows" that crusade to "split" if you will and form a new chapter? I know not a solid perspective so far but an idea at the moment. what do you all think? yes this is the "asking for help to flesh out the idea" to make it solid. Thanks for any help that can be provided. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221384-black-templar-successors/#findComment-2644464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 BT successors are a problem because they don't make logical sense, not because the Codex forbids it (though C:SM mentions that particularly deviant chapters don't produce successors, which presumably would include the BT). I was thinking that in an attempt to create a chapter in xx founding, Ah. So why would the High Lords ask the BT to mentor this, since the BT are headstrong, ignore the Codex, and are rumoured to be massively oversize? that this crusade split off and became their own chapter. Why would a group of good Black Templars leave the BT? Why would the High Lords not be suspicious of the apparent existence of enough extra Black Templars to form a chapter? I know there has been alot of talk and debate over this and I don't really see why this would not be possible. Not to get into a massive debate over this but how would you all try to flesh out the fluff for doing this? I wouldn't. Because it's easier to get anything the BT have through other avenues. What do you want about the BT in your new chapter? Crusading nature? The IF and CF crusade, too. Weird organization? The BT organization isn't really that deviant on the tabletop level - claim they're a bit divergent from the Codex and knock off for lunch. Everything about the BT but different names and color schemes? Claim they're in camouflage and that they're a separate Crusade. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221384-black-templar-successors/#findComment-2644469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrata Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 This is, and will always be, GW official line. Even when it comes to things that breaks their own background, GW are very fan friendly in the sense of "It's your army, it's your background." So they will not say you cannot make BT successors. In the same way they do not say you cannot make female marines, GK successors or the lost two legions. However, as Octavulg said, it makes no logical sense for the Imperium to make a BT successor as there are already too many of them around. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221384-black-templar-successors/#findComment-2644475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tolek Posted February 2, 2011 Author Share Posted February 2, 2011 Ok, so I would like to know would anybody be willing to help work on that with me? create a BT successor chapter? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221384-black-templar-successors/#findComment-2644482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague Angel Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 that this crusade split off and became their own chapter Crusades have so much autonomy there's no reason to do that. So no. But also, yes. Because in practice each crusade is effectively its own chapter anyways. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221384-black-templar-successors/#findComment-2644489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 As I've said already: why do you want to do this? Because if the only reason you want to do it is that people say you can't, I doubt you're going to find much interest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221384-black-templar-successors/#findComment-2644491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tolek Posted February 2, 2011 Author Share Posted February 2, 2011 No, I would like an honest, "ok, lets try it and see what we get for a chapter and how it could work out." if there is no interest then, there is no interest and its dropped. I am not the most talented writer, but i can come up with ideas, its wording those ideas thats the problem. If someone was willing to help, it would be a dual created chapter that very well possibly might work. I am just asking for help. Maybe another writer that can assist, or creative thinker and writer? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221384-black-templar-successors/#findComment-2644498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shiny One Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 But do you definitely want a BT successor against all odds, or a chapter like the BT but not actual BT itself? woulds in it for the chapter/IA itself? just looking if it could work? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221384-black-templar-successors/#findComment-2644508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tolek Posted February 2, 2011 Author Share Posted February 2, 2011 I just had a ridiculous thought, I have an idea but it involves the Ophidum Gulf........no one really knows what happened to it right? ok bare with me here all! they turned renegade and pursue the dark angels for their acts? I will use that as steam to power this new chapter ( ok wrong word here or would they still be considered a chapter?)! but first can anybody direct me to the renegade chapter creation for this? as i do believe this would be the wrong place to post that right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221384-black-templar-successors/#findComment-2644541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shiny One Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 No, renegades are part of the Liber as well. And they would be called a warband... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221384-black-templar-successors/#findComment-2644548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Renegade chapter creation goes here, too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221384-black-templar-successors/#findComment-2644561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tolek Posted February 2, 2011 Author Share Posted February 2, 2011 Awesome, I am gonna run with that idea then. Has this idea been done before? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221384-black-templar-successors/#findComment-2644566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 No. However, the DA not managing to take out the whole crusade seems a little improbable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221384-black-templar-successors/#findComment-2644584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Renatus Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 There is a lot of DA-hate going on today, lol. This is the second or third concept I've read through that initiates open warfare with them. Renegade BTs are incredibly uncommon. They are truly the zealot crusaders of the Emperor, populated by the most devout of Dorn's original legion. I'm interested to see how you pursue this, but I forsee scads of bone and green terminators in your future... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/221384-black-templar-successors/#findComment-2644597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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